Submarines: How to Play

[Hopeless_Guppy]

2 hours ago, mel1111 said:

And then the PREMIUM subs will appear...... WOWS is only interested in making money out of this game and until we ALL refuse to buy these stupid subs they will just keep introducing new products to buy. At the moment there are almost more premium ships than researchable ones. Money, money, money.

This leads to the deplorable state of game play, because any Idi*t can now get his hands on high tier ships and can therefore disturb gameplay.

Anyway, they will not listen to long time players and just keep going with all this sh*t. The only way is to walk away from the game and to refuse buying anything from them.

Thing is what do you replace this game with, there is nothing I have found, I am sad this is happening tbh as I do still (most days) like the game.

[mel1111]

33 minutes ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

Thing is what do you replace this game with, there is nothing I have found, I am sad this is happening tbh as I do still (most days) like the game.

That IS the problem atm.

 

So hope you have fun anyway.

 

[XXI_]

10 hours ago, Hanse77SWE said:

"To restore battery power, ascend to the surface level or reduce your speed to 1/4.

You won't be able to emit sonar pings if your submarine's battery power level reaches 0%, but you'll still be able to sail at any speed."

 

So they can "reload" battery while being submerged. The can't "ping" with empty battery but can still move.

We can choose not to play. Have WG thought about that?

Allright but I don't read a certain amount of time in wich the sub needs to stay at the surface. So can it dive down again after just 1% battery recharge? Because then you could dodge BB's shell's all of the time and that would be pretty broken.

 

But if you force that sub to stay a certain amount of the time at the surface, you give the battleship a fair chance of getting some shots at that sub. 

[Pikkozoikum]

13 minutes ago, Angelus_Inferos said:

Allright but I don't read a certain amount of time in wich the sub needs to stay at the surface. So can it dive down again after just 1% battery recharge? Because then you could dodge BB's shell's all of the time and that would be pretty broken.

 

But if you force that sub to stay a certain amount of the time at the surface, you give the battleship a fair chance of getting some shots at that sub. 

The Sub can be hit at 6 meter depth, so diving alone is not helping, you have to pass the 6 meter level

Though Battery recharges at surface or moving 1/4 speed. So you can recharge in depth as well, but you are very slow then and can't get into a position

[Inflex_6]

Trying to see it positively, but there is no way.

Destructive game changer which can not be rolled back. I guess it's time to wait for WoWs Classic :P

[Pikkozoikum]

1 hour ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

Thing is what do you replace this game with, there is nothing I have found, I am sad this is happening tbh as I do still (most days) like the game.

A few years ago, there were Steel Ocean, but this game has also submarines, and it was overall worse than WoWS imo

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, Inflex_6 said:

Trying to see it positively, but there is no way.

Destructive game changer which can not be rolled back. I guess it's time to wait for WoWs Classic :P

Game changer, yes, but why destructive?

[Hanse77SWE]

46 minutes ago, Angelus_Inferos said:

Allright but I don't read a certain amount of time in wich the sub needs to stay at the surface. So can it dive down again after just 1% battery recharge? Because then you could dodge BB's shell's all of the time and that would be pretty broken.

 

But if you force that sub to stay a certain amount of the time at the surface, you give the battleship a fair chance of getting some shots at that sub. 

As I understand you can stay submerged the whole game. You lose in viewrange and speed but you are untouchable by BBs and CAs. As long as you go at no more than 1/4 speed your batterys will recharge. With battery at 0% you can still go full speed (submerged) but you won't recharge and you can't use your "ping". If you stay at Surface you go faster, see longer and the battery will recharge no matter what speed you go.

[Flashp0int]

Submarines have way more a risk-reward gameplay than CVs and they do not have the ability to influence the whole area. Hence even if they are a silent threat, once you know in what area it is, you can always sail away. It is not at 1/4 speed that they are going to hunt you down.

I would swap CVs for Submarines anytime. CVs still need to have vulnerabilities. If Spotter planes and fighters cans track subs, can you not make them spot CVs as well?

 

I recall WG saying that it was unfair to be able to have Bensons shoot at ships without being detected. And I agree, the present situation is better, because the only undetected threat, torps, are much more predictable and dodgeable as well as can be countered through team play.

Imho, even in random, half the fleet being able to counter Subs and destroy it will make their impact way less effective, than damage immune CVs, because they are hidden, being able to disperse BB levels of damage all over the map.

 

[FidelisRaven]

You are seriously going forward with that guided torpedo bs? Just wow. 

[DreadArchangel]

23 hours ago, MarcoGn97 said:

2019 Year of the CV  =>  2020 Year of the Submarine

 

Brace yourselves 

Really 2019 was the year of the cv, yeah year they nerfed them..

 

[Zentry]

WG is going full speed in to the wall like nothing ever happened. will be interesting to see the player drop when subs go live

[Sunleader]

Love all the Doomsday Predictions.

I should make a List to Rub it into Your Faces one Year Down the Line when the Game has still not Died despite your Claims ^^

[gabberworld]

1 hour ago, Hanse77SWE said:

As I understand you can stay submerged the whole game.

yes that is true by looking the test 3 but you will not win a war by just sitting underwater,

unless your team made all hard work and captured all sectors and you alone against cv at end

 

[Hanse77SWE]

1 minute ago, gabberworld said:

yes that is true by looking the test 3 but you will not win a war by just sitting underwater,

unless your team made all hard work and captured all sectors and you alone against cv at end

 

No, but there is not way to force a sub to the Surface. He could stay down there for as long as he wants and there is nothing a CA or BB can do about it.

[gabberworld]

7 minutes ago, Hanse77SWE said:

No, but there is not way to force a sub to the Surface. He could stay down there for as long as he wants and there is nothing a CA or BB can do about it.

 

yes if its player game stile by play the peek and buu, bb just go and capture other sector till submarine todo that

 

submarines are slower than other players and by looking wiki they even slower at in underwater

[suschi122]

Honestly I'll stay optimistic and hope they'll don't become too annoying or strong
I just hope this will not ruin the game. Also I kinda feel this will be something like the Artys in WoT :' )
 

[MarcoGn97]

1 ora fa, DreadArchangel ha scritto:

Really 2019 was the year of the cv, yeah year they nerfed them..

 

Don't drink and post, it hurts

[Felixshoen]

I see a lot of "I'll Leave" posts or "the game will collapse" posts.  This probably wont happen.

What will likely happen to WOWS is what happened to WOT:  a slow reduction in players as the veteran players get to

the point where they just don't have any interest in playing anymore.

 

It's what happened to me in WOT.  I played for 4 years. Every change made the game less fun. Every premium crazy

indestructible tank made the game more frustrating.  I haven't played WOT now for 2 years and don't miss it.

 

Now I play WOWS and see the same thing happening.  Bit by bit I lose interest.  I now no longer play high tier DD's.  They

are more frustrating than fun.  Subs will come and BB's will be frustrating and no longer fun.  Eventually wargaming will bring out the

last straw and I'll walk away from WOWS.  Just because you can change something doesn't mean you should.

[Pikkozoikum]

2 hours ago, Flashp0int said:

Submarines have way more a risk-reward gameplay than CVs and they do not have the ability to influence the whole area. Hence even if they are a silent threat, once you know in what area it is, you can always sail away. It is not at 1/4 speed that they are going to hunt you down.

I would swap CVs for Submarines anytime. CVs still need to have vulnerabilities. If Spotter planes and fighters cans track subs, can you not make them spot CVs as well?

 

I recall WG saying that it was unfair to be able to have Bensons shoot at ships without being detected. And I agree, the present situation is better, because the only undetected threat, torps, are much more predictable and dodgeable as well as can be countered through team play.

Imho, even in random, half the fleet being able to counter Subs and destroy it will make their impact way less effective, than damage immune CVs, because they are hidden, being able to disperse BB levels of damage all over the map.

 

Ironcally subs are the slowest vessels, while CVs with their planes the fastest, the oppsite xD

 

1 hour ago, Zentry said:

WG is going full speed in to the wall like nothing ever happened. will be interesting to see the player drop when subs go live

There might leave some people. But people, who left the game, because what reason ever, might come back to play the new content. In the end the player base will be steady

[Pikkozoikum]

8 minutes ago, Felixshoen said:

I see a lot of "I'll Leave" posts or "the game will collapse" posts.  This probably wont happen.

What will likely happen to WOWS is what happened to WOT:  a slow reduction in players as the veteran players get to

the point where they just don't have any interest in playing anymore.

 

It's what happened to me in WOT.  I played for 4 years. Every change made the game less fun. Every premium crazy

indestructible tank made the game more frustrating.  I haven't played WOT now for 2 years and don't miss it.

 

Now I play WOWS and see the same thing happening.  Bit by bit I lose interest.  I now no longer play high tier DD's.  They

are more frustrating than fun.  Subs will come and BB's will be frustrating and no longer fun.  Eventually wargaming will bring out the

last straw and I'll walk away from WOWS.  Just because you can change something doesn't mean you should.

You won't see the people commenting here, that they will come back because of the new content. Because they are not back yet... Since ever people are like "wows dead" "I leave", but it's pretty steady and it will stay steady for a while, I assume

[ImLate]

Maybe make subs really slow like irl so it will be balanced :D

[Sunleader]

1 minute ago, OfficialDonYT said:

Maybe make subs really slow like irl so it will be balanced :D

 

Actually it seems they will be

 

Going by the News Article.

 

They will only be Fast on the Surface. And heavily Reduced Speed when Diving. (Which is Realistic for all Submarines except the Really reaaaally Late War ones. Like XXI which was Faster when Submerged than when on the Surface)

 

Also. Running Full Speed underwater will cost Battery. So most of the Time it seems you will be forced to Run at 1/4 Speed Underwater if you dont want to Run out of Battery.

[ImLate]

5 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Actually it seems they will be

 

Going by the News Article.

 

They will only be Fast on the Surface. And heavily Reduced Speed when Diving. (Which is Realistic for all Submarines except the Really reaaaally Late War ones. Like XXI which was Faster when Submerged than when on the Surface)

 

Also. Running Full Speed underwater will cost Battery. So most of the Time it seems you will be forced to Run at 1/4 Speed Underwater if you dont want to Run out of Battery.

And... if u get hit by any kind of shell, u will flood till u sink, unless u surface.

[gabberworld]

if they add those

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cachalot-class_submarine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_VII_submarine

 

they are slow like hell in underwater