Submarines: How to Play

[gregsmith84]

How do I access this???

 

[miguel_mg]

donde puedo descargar los submarinos?

 

[Pikkozoikum]

4 hours ago, gregsmith84 said:

How do I access this???

 

https://worldofwarships.com/en/content/pt-guide/

[m3c0]

Hi! First of all:

 

Subs were, are and will be part of the naval warfare. Just like the CVs. Both classes deserve and have to be there in this game! So I'm really glad that we will be finally able to play with subs! And it's nice that there are so many players, who are willing to try out their gameplay. *EDIT*

 

So, there is what I saw on the test server, after couple of battles, although test server is not representative (too many bots, almost no BBs):

 

* Playing with subs:

• First 1-2 games were really frustrating: apart from some successful pings, I wasn't able to do anything, I was on bottom of the team, completely useless. Not fun to play at all.
• Then I started scoring some torp hits. Gameplay was now definitely funnier. Very satisfying was the killing of enemy subs (with torps, not by ramming ;) ).
• Homing torps mechanics is a bit questionable. But I think it should be implemented. Because this way subs will be able to fight against each other. Without homing torps a sub would be able to kill other sub only by ramming.
• Lone BB-wolfs and even cruisers are going to suffer, a lot:

 

 

* Playing against them:

• Very skill depended. Subs can be a real deadly threat in the hands of good players. And very easy prey, if enemy player using them sux.
• Lone sub-wolfs will suffer, a lot. Here a guy eating depth charges from me and 2 other destroyers (he died of course, despite being at max depth):

 

 

It's really nice that WG removed the oxygen and hope it will stay this way. I will definitely play with subs on normal server. Subs will bring more variety to the game and of course - more complexity (i.e. balancing issues). But as I said, subs deserve to be part of this game. And I don't think that they will have such a big impact on the gameplay overall. Let's hope WG won't fail (too much) when implementing them ;)

 

[Amazing07]

On 4/19/2020 at 1:15 PM, m3c0 said:

*EDIT*

There becomes a point where it is no longer cry babies and it's a sensible reaction, We're only 4 months into 2020 right now but WG have managed to screw up a lot in this time.

I'm just gonna say don't get your hopes up, there is a chance that:

A) Subs will be game breaking.

B) They will be crap and not worth investing time into.

C) (extremely rare) WG manages to balance something correctly and they fit just fine, the chances of this happening are next to none (IMO).

 

I won't be quitting *unless* they put subs into randoms or ranked and CB.

 

Btw: (IMO) homing torps are unnecessary and they should have to launch their torps like DDs do, predict the target's position.

[popstrong]

think its a good idea if you add,,subhunters aswell..

 

good luck

[AlexeiCrimson]

2 hours ago, Amazing07 said:

There becomes a point where it is no longer cry babies and it's a sensible reaction, We're only 4 months into 2020 right now but WG have managed to screw up a lot in this time.

I'm just gonna say don't get your hopes up, there is a chance that:

A) Subs will be game breaking.

B) They will be crap and not worth investing time into.

C) (extremely rare) WG manages to balance something correctly and they fit just fine, the chances of this happening are next to none (IMO).

 

I won't be quitting *unless* they put subs into randoms or ranked and CB.

 

Btw: (IMO) homing torps are unnecessary and they should have to launch their torps like DDs do, predict the target's position.

 

You might be right, but we are far from that point. The reason? You have not even played Subs. How do i know that? You actually think homing torps are unnecessary, when they are basically required in order to hit anything.

 

By all means point out why subs do not belong on the live server. Feedback is important. Giving feedback, or saying subs do not belong in the game is fine, as long as you know what you are talking about. If you are doing that without having played them, then its just your bias talking, and that of no value to anyone.

[m3c0]

2 hours ago, Amazing07 said:

There becomes a point where it is no longer cry babies and it's a sensible reaction, We're only 4 months into 2020 right now but WG have managed to screw up a lot in this time.

I'm just gonna say don't get your hopes up, there is a chance that:

A) Subs will be game breaking.

B) They will be crap and not worth investing time into.

C) (extremely rare) WG manages to balance something correctly and they fit just fine, the chances of this happening are next to none (IMO).

 

I won't be quitting *unless* they put subs into randoms or ranked and CB.

 

Btw: (IMO) homing torps are unnecessary and they should have to launch their torps like DDs do, predict the target's position.

I don't expect that much from WG anyway - if they fail with subs it wont be such a big surprise for me:) But I want to give them a chance. WG is at least trying to keep the game interesting and alive. And subs should be there anyway, they had their role in both world wars and later on too.

 

By the way I prefer much more the implementing of subs than the constant spamming of new broken premium ships at ridiculously insane prices which get nerfed or removed later.

And at this point subs don't seem to be either game breaking or too crappy, we will see what will happen in the future.

 

As for homing torps - I have my concerns too. But just think about it - normal torps are great in a 2 dimensional world. With subs we get a 3rd dimension (not counting CVs and planes there, cuz we can't actively fight against planes anyway).. How will you hit a submerging/diving sub with a normal torp without homing mechanics? It just can't happen. And even if not historical accurate, subs in game should be able to take out each other.

 

[neorvo]

21 hours ago, miguel_mg said:

donde puedo descargar los submarinos?

 

Tienes que instalar la versión de Test

https://worldofwarships.eu/es/content/pt-guide/

 

Luego entras y encuentras las batallas para subs.

[Sir_Sinksalot]

6 hours ago, m3c0 said:

Hi! First of all:

 

Subs were, are and will be part of the naval warfare. Just like the CVs. Both classes deserve and have to be there in this game!

 

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. 

 

Equally, others that oppose either or both of these two are also entitled to theirs. 

 

Personally I'll just wait to see what they're like, then form an opinion after a fair sample size and I'll also wait until they are added to the game, not waste my time on some test server for some class I'll probably figure out how to play effectively in about 5 battles. 

While both classes are part of naval warfare, this game is pretty much a shooter game at it's core, as in players aim guns and shoot, not drop ordnance from aircraft which is an aircraft game overlapping on a ship game and not launching homing torpedoes from under the depths which is a submarine game overlapping on a ship game.

 

That said, the ship vs ship game is fairly limited and unlike WoT, these engagements happen on the same flat 2D surface as can only be the case with oceans and water obviously, whereas with WoT you have hills and depressions, sand dunes, river banks, towns, trees, walls and so on so with WoT there's a lot more of an expansive playstyle than just ships which are only different in map via where some islands are distributed and it can't be anything else. That said, a good game doesn't need anything else. If the game is a compelling play and the random players doing random things is the constant challenge which makes every single battle different, then it really doesn't need any gimmicks or forced content that nobody really asked for outside of a few bored low percentages. As of yet, I wouldn't really have much of an opinion on WoWs. It's slower paced, an interesting game and not sure what else to say really.  

[Amazing07]

4 hours ago, AlexeiCrimson said:

 

You might be right, but we are far from that point. The reason? You have not even played Subs. How do i know that? You actually think homing torps are unnecessary, when they are basically required in order to hit anything.

 

By all means point out why subs do not belong on the live server. Feedback is important. Giving feedback, or saying subs do not belong in the game is fine, as long as you know what you are talking about. If you are doing that without having played them, then its just your bias talking, and that of no value to anyone.

I have played them, my PTS account is called Amazing07_PT.

 

In my opinion, homing torps are unnecessary, you can disagree with me all you want, and that is fine, because that's what feedback is for: player opinion.

 

Therefore my feedback to WG on subs is: Don't add them to randoms (which they are not, or so they say) and don't give them homing torpedoes.

[gabberworld]

6 minutes ago, Amazing07 said:

Remember when WG said subs will never be in WoWs... 

 

 

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/general-news/submarines-announcement/

[Amazing07]

Just now, gabberworld said:

 

https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/general-news/submarines-announcement/

Your point is...?

[gabberworld]

3 minutes ago, Amazing07 said:

Your point is...?

 

my point is they planned add them already in year 2015, if search history

[Amazing07]

1 minute ago, gabberworld said:

 

my point is they planned add them already in year 2015, i search history

The link you sent was from 2019, they've been in testing ever since.

 

Also, if what you said is true and subs have been planned since 2015 (I highly doubt this, WoWs initial release was September 2015), WG still lied by saying subs will never be in WoWs.

[gabberworld]

3 minutes ago, Amazing07 said:

WG still lied by saying subs will never be in WoWs.

 

i never heard that, they not tell exact year tho when

[Amazing07]

2 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

 

i never heard that, they not tell exact year tho when

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/67837-no-subs-wg-has-spoken/

 

The above link goes to a forum which has a video made by WG detailing their plans for 2016, they tell us about the most requested additions to the game by the playerbase, submarines was/is on that list. They said in that video "One thing is for sure, there won't be any submarines."

[AlexeiCrimson]

Things change. A statement from 4 years ago is not a binding agreement.

[All4theLOL]

2 hours ago, Amazing07 said:

WG still lied by saying subs will never be in WoWs.

A lie is an insistence that established fact is not true. Human understanding of temporal mechanics means that can only ever be retrospective.
What Wargaming did can at worst be called a misprediction. They had no information about the future state of the game, and could therefore impossibly lie about it.

[Pikkozoikum]

On 4/19/2020 at 1:15 PM, m3c0 said:

Homing torps mechanics is a bit questionable. But I think it should be implemented. Because this way subs will be able to fight against each other. Without homing torps a sub would be able to kill other sub only by ramming. 

I killed subs without homing. You have to check your and the enemy depth. Subs are pretty slow, some are even stationary, so you don't need much lead.

[buccaneer_invader]

Bringing in SUBS all ships must have ASDIC. to search for em.

[Pikkozoikum]

1 hour ago, buccaneer_invader said:

Bringing in SUBS all ships must have ASDIC. to search for em.

Every submarine can be spotted by everyone. They have a detection radius like every other ship. This just shrinks by diving and if it goes really deep around level 2 or 3 the detection radius goes really small. Though pinging makes the detection radius bigger

[petya1211]

I can't log in the PT. What is the problem? The date is 04.23.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Just downloading the PTS now, (I think) jesus H christ another 30gb, I want to try my hand at the subs at least once, but already I see form how to play them they seem complicated, and DD#s, well with RPF, radar, CVs too, they will be almost impossible to play especially now the depth charge thing is not automatic, only the Unicoms now wil play DDs.

[_Teob_]

Imagine spending all that time arguing over the internet only to have a mod come in and spend like 2 minutes deleting all your posts.

It's almost like having random unrelated arguments is against the rules.

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You can disagree with someone without having a go at them personally.

 

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