Let's talk about Operations... and WeeGee's proverbial dishonesty

[Andrewbassg]

As per the title, what you think? Is Weegee's move to nerf operations (and especially the way they did it) are inline with what this "company"  (lol) is most characterized by?  

[CptBarney]

Not surprising really, when you've been around them for more than 7+ years plus at this point in time.

Also the rewards buffs for less stars means less incentive to actually bother properly playing and/or even trying to win.

 

I never understood why they either don't just have the operations up all displayed, a random que or something.

Oh well.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

How do you find the time to even think about this.

I just played 25 random battles and nothing in those 25 battles gave me the feeling that I need to talk about any minor issues.

[lossi_2018]

Operations are for some players a very important part of the game. While perhaps the minority I had some of my best fun there and participated in some great games so I can understand where he's coming from.

[Andrewbassg]

8 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

How do you find the time to even think about this.

I just played 25 random battles and nothing in those 25 battles gave me the feeling that I need to talk about any minor issues.

Please define what constitute minor in your opinion: dishonesty, WeeGee's dishonesty, or the way they dealt with operations?  

[Andrewbassg]

8 minutes ago, lossi_2018 said:

Operations are for some players a very important part of the game. While perhaps the minority I had some of my best fun there and participated in some great games so I can understand where he's coming from.

That's how I see them too. Also they have a sort of training aspect attached to them which IMHO is kinda  overlooked. For ex "cultivating"  team spirit and team work (which is badly needed, again imho.)

[Sir_Sinksalot]

If WG nerf Ops I suspect they'll also be inadvertently nerfing their playerbase numbers too.

 

If I want PvP there's a HELL of a lot better games out there soaked in fun, content and involvement. I like this game, it's grown on me a lot but I play this game to chill and kick back a bit. I suspect this is true for other players too. This does not mean I don't spend some cash on the game, I do. It's up to WG to find a way to not just include Ops as a major part of the game but to expand on it, include other tiers, add more content and find other ways to generate money in this game outside of where they feel that removing or nerfing Ops is the solution because removing content from your already limited game just makes it even less attractive to play and reduces player numbers further which is obviously the opposite of what WG would want.

[Andrewbassg]

19 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Not surprising really, when you've been around them for more than 7+ years plus at this point in time.

Also the rewards buffs for less stars means less incentive to actually bother properly playing and/or even trying to win.

 

I never understood why they either don't just have the operations up all displayed, a random que or something.

Oh well.

The more I stay around, the less I can find that contradicts you....

[Starchy_Tuber]

49 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

How do you find the time to even think about this.

I just played 25 random battles and nothing in those 25 battles gave me the feeling that I need to talk about any minor issues.

I suspect irony missed :-0

[invicta2012]

2 minutes ago, Starchy_Tuber said:

I suspect irony missed :-0

Online irony is a bit like a car in the 1900s. It needs a man walking in front of it with a red flag which says "Warning, Online Irony incoming", otherwise it's difficult to see what it actually is.

 

I'm not sure how badly WG have nerfed Operations but if this is some kind of attempt to get people to Come Back To Randoms they're going to have to try harder than that, and - perhaps -  do something to improve the ship random experience.

[Andrewbassg]

1 hour ago, Starchy_Tuber said:

I suspect irony missed :-0

Oh on the contrary. He/she has a particular kind of sarcasm and (yes) irony which I greatly enjoy. Just happens that the humor  is always kinda used for the "defence of the motherland:" :), if you catch my drill.....

[Kenjiro_]

2 hours ago, Yoshanai said:

How do you find the time to even think about this.

I just played 25 random battles and nothing in those 25 battles gave me the feeling that I need to talk about any minor issues.

 

That's because you won 23 of them. If you had lost a dozen, you would have felt the need :)

[Andrewbassg]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

Online irony is a bit like a car in the 1900s. It needs a man walking in front of it with a red flag which says "Warning, Online Irony incoming", otherwise it's difficult to see what it actually is.

 

It is the internetz....

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

I'm not sure how badly WG have nerfed Operations but if this is some kind of attempt to get people to Come Back To Randoms they're going to have to try harder than that, and - perhaps -  do something to improve the ship random experience.

They did an unusually good job.....

 

[bratisla_boy]

I reached a point I don't care anymore to get as many rewards as in random, I just desperately wish to see the ops return without too many bugs, only for the fun. Because I gave up on the directives, missions, and all that glitter I can't reach without any absurd amount of grind - I just want to have fun in a coop online game with ships and a decent setup.

 

Yup, I'm at that point. And apparently there are still problems in ops, even on Aegis (who didn't have problems before ...)

[Yosha_AtaIante]

So this is just another WG bashing topic with Operations as excuse I get it.

[invicta2012]

2 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

They did an unusually good job.....

I didn't notice anything much amiss today, I have to say. An Aegis run in Devonshire was still generating 3k XP, and yes that was with premium/permacamo, but that's fine....

[Andrewbassg]

16 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

I didn't notice anything much amiss today, I have to say. An Aegis run in Devonshire was still generating 3k XP, and yes that was with premium/permacamo, but that's fine....

I also had some (with various ships w prm cammo's) and..... they pretty nerfed it. Also look at credits and don't forget to deduce the daily win bonus.....

[Andrewbassg]

46 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

So this is just another WG bashing topic with Operations as excuse I get it.

No, you didn't. I actually gave them credit for the whole ship rental thingy....aand.. nobody asked for them to nerf the op's economy, right? It was their bright idea. Why o why?

     Look, WG IS a company, with  revenue making as its (ultimate) goal.Which is pretty normal. What isn't is the extent and to what lengths they are capable and willing to go, to fulfill that goal, as a GAMING company.

  So....I will call them out  on every dishonest move they make. Every lie they fed us. Period.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

What did they lie about concerning OP? 

[Andrewbassg]

6 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

What did they lie about concerning OP? 

Well where and when they did mention, that they will nerf the economy of ops? Didn't  they said that the reason for "retracting" Narai were Ai issues? But, hey they "just" remembered  "oh those pesky ops they permit too much economical gains, let's nerf them", right? The problem is who's gonna believe them, given their "track" "record"? Yep, exactly. So, if they gonna say that the "sky is blue", who is the moron who's gonna  believe them?

Lol.

[NicramDuel]

6 hours ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

If WG nerf Ops I suspect they'll also be inadvertently nerfing their playerbase numbers too.

 

If I want PvP there's a HELL of a lot better games out there soaked in fun, content and involvement. I like this game, it's grown on me a lot but I play this game to chill and kick back a bit. I suspect this is true for other players too. This does not mean I don't spend some cash on the game, I do. It's up to WG to find a way to not just include Ops as a major part of the game but to expand on it, include other tiers, add more content and find other ways to generate money in this game outside of where they feel that removing or nerfing Ops is the solution because removing content from your already limited game just makes it even less attractive to play and reduces player numbers further which is obviously the opposite of what WG would want.

Just what, or who are you talking about, Sir? Oh, wait. Me. I quit wows the day they pulled Narai from the game. And particularly because they pulled Narai from the game. I wished back then that If only those making the operation-removing decisions would recieve at least half of the abuse IRL that they have delivered to this game-mode. Today, I am actually thankful to them. Nearly 60 days of being clean, and counting!

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 12 Minuten, Andrewbassg sagte:

Well where and when they did mention, that they will nerf the economy of ops? Didn't  they said that the reason for "retracting" Narai were Ai issues? But, hey they "just" remembered  "oh those pesky ops they permit too much economical gains, let's nerf them", right? The problem is who's gonna believe them, given their "track" "record"? Yep, exactly. So, if they gonna say that the "sky is blue", who is the moron who's gonna  believe them?

Lol.

So they actually didn't lie anywhere. 

 

[Andrewbassg]

5 minutes ago, Yoshanai said:

So they actually didn't lie anywhere. 

 

Lolz!. 

[K82J]

11 minutes ago, NicramDuel said:

Just what, or who are you talking about, Sir? Oh, wait. Me. I quit wows the day they pulled Narai from the game. And particularly because they pulled Narai from the game. I wished back then that If only those making the operation-removing decisions would recieve at least half of the abuse IRL that they have delivered to this game-mode. Today, I am actually thankful to them. Nearly 60 days of being clean, and counting!

I have been " clean " too, since more than 60 days, in another way. I didnt bought anything in the last 2 months from the shop. Probably gonna stay on this path for a while.

[Afghanicus]

WG said that Narai was the most bugged operation and will therefore be removed for fixing.

 

You have TWO lies right there. 

 

1. Narai was not bugged more than any other operation. In fact, it was still easier to play and win Narai than some other ones like "Raptor Rescue". WG was well aware of that. But just in case, many players told them this but they chose to ignore all that feedback and do it no matter what, as planned.

 

2. Narai was NOT removed for fixing. Narai was removed to be nerfed. If they wanted to fix it, they would have done it offline. No need to remove it. If they cared so much about operations they would revert the changes that caused the AI issues in the first place as soon as they happened. That's when it's the easiest to find the issue and fix it. Unless... you know... they were the ones to intentionally cause the AI issues in the first place. But nobody believes WG would do such a thing, right?

 

I remember very well how they handled the removal of Narai and how "transparent" there were about it. I believe the forum threads and reddit posts are still available for the ones that would like to check. But they do count on people who forget easily and can't be bothered to use their brain to figure out obvious things.

 

But nobody will ever be able to prove that. They can call all these "conspiracy theories" and that's it. Another BS to get easily away with.

 

 

P.S. I just remembered (you see how easily we forget?) that Narai was not pulled for fixing just like that. All operations were "temporarily" disabled because they were causing some "unexpected" issues on the server (despite being tested on the PTS, internally and externally). Then, when they finally found the issue, all operations were enabled again (after 2 days if I recall correctly) but somehow Narai was kept OFF the game. You know... in that short period of time they worked on fixing the code but somehow they found out that operations are bugged (despite players bringing this issue for months and months) and for some reason Narai was chosen to be the one they will "work" on. Nerfing the rewards in the process was just a coincidence that was not planned at all before all of this started.

 

If ANYONE believes in these stories made up by not-so-creative people at WG then I really don't have anything more to add. I can't show you the obvious if you don't want to see it.