Maybe time to introduce Heroic (and Honorable?) medals which caters to Destroyers (and maybe CV?)

[Brinckie]

Been thinking about this topic allot lately.

 

Since WG has started to put " getting heroic medals" as mission requirements this seems a right time to mention and maybe adres this.

 

As an example:

I notice that even bad performing BB players(damage/xp wise) often still get Dreadnought since they can tank, heal and manage to retreat.

Given that it is hard to do in most battleships since they have larger then most detection ranges, that is not the issue i would like to adres here.

 

With the current meta of damage done, directly taken or mitigated is the way to go to earn rewards like heroic (and honorable?) medals i think it is time to introduce medals which are more specific for 

DD and maybe CV.

 

Here is my reasoning stated in brackets():

Heroic Achievementshide

Confederate

Damage at least 6 enemy ships. Damage caused to each ship must exceed 20% of her normal HP. Can be obtained once per battle.

(Hard to do in a dd which is not gun focused or a cv, and even then since on a dd the range of its guns is very limited and its hard to do, torpedo's/guns rarely do continuous damage like continuous floods so 20% of damage done to 6 ships is hard with like 3 or 4 dd in a game.

 

Dreadnought

Receive damage exceeding 120% of your ship's normal HP from 4 or more enemy ships and survive the battle. Can be obtained once per battle.

(Most DD don't even have heals so its impossible by that standard, same goes for most cruisers and every cv nowadays)

High Caliber

Damage at least 4 enemy ships. Damage caused must exceed 30% of the total HP of all the ships in the enemy team. Can be obtained once per battle.

(DD again have limited resources for doing this, slow torp reload, relatively low damage of guns, floods occur less since nerd and fires are hard to keep going since range limitations)

Kraken Unleashed

In a single battle, destroy five or more enemy ships. Can be obtained once per battle.

(doable, not easy but it can be done)

Solo Warrior

Stand alone against at least 4 enemy ships and win the battle. Can be obtained once per battle.

(also possible, if there is no competent carrier player and you manage to kill ships one on one)

Witherer

Cause at least 60,000 HP of fire and flooding damage to enemy ships. Can be obtained once per battle.

(hard to do in DD again, fire and flooding for a DD are hard to keep going, low dpm on torps, low flood chance and range limitations)

 

 

 

DD have a main goal to be @ the front line, spotting torpedo's, enemy's and capping or contesting cap, this results in tanking and evading(potential damage).

Still despite all these requirements there is no achievement tied to any of these demands and feats performed by players.

 

Would be nice to have a spotting medal 100k?, or a tanking medal 500K or 1M potential,  per medal (1 per game?)maybe?

Maybe amount of torps spotted (20?, 30? 40?)

Damage done with guns / torps  (50% on each) when reaching 100k or 150k?

Same thing applies to Honorable medals but there are many more of those and we have to start somewhere.

Ribbons just don't cut it alone imho.

 

Just my two cent's on a healthy incentive and rewards for DD players, nothing i hate more than a DD being(somewhere) on the top of the list, doing his job, carrying or just doing well overall and seeing all those rewards on the teams BB and cruisers but none for the DD (since not doing more than 100K or 150k ish damage?)

[Krikkio82]

Fireproof is also "easy" to obtain in a BB close to impossible in other class.
May cause I'm a DD main but I agree DDs need some love, specially in a CV game.

[GulvkluderGuld]

26 minutes ago, Brinckie said:

Would be nice to have a spotting medal 100k?, or a tanking medal 500K or 1M potential,  per medal (1 per game?)maybe?

Maybe amount of torps spotted (20?, 30? 40?)

Hard not to agree with the sentiment.  Got quite a few High calibers and Dreadnaughts in Daring during latest Ranked, but that was a special case.

 

Spotting damage is an obvious case. And Targets spotted (CV not elegible, because it would be dumb)

Also Permaspotting targets if such can be measured by the game.

Potential damage would need to be restricted to specific DDs, since Khaba and Kleber exists.

 

Problem is it does not cater to the BorderBoys playstyle, so WG won't do it 

 

[Capra76]

48 minutes ago, Brinckie said:

 

Dreadnought

Receive damage exceeding 120% of your ship's normal HP from 4 or more enemy ships and survive the battle. Can be obtained once per battle.

(Most DD don't even have heals so its impossible by that standard, same goes for most cruisers and every cv nowadays)

 

Does Survivability Expert come into it?  I used to see them regularly in a SE specced Fletcher but that was some time ago (early 2017 I think).

[lovelacebeer]

I would certainly like to see some new achievements added, especially ones geared towards teamplay or focused on objectives.

[Profilus]

13 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

Does Survivability Expert come into it?  I used to see them regularly in a SE specced Fletcher but that was some time ago (early 2017 I think).

Are you sure? Really sure that u got dreadnought with Fletcher????

[Capra76]

1 minute ago, Profilus said:

Are you sure? Really sure that u got dreadnought with Fletcher????

 

Yes, but it was a long time ago and WG have changed the rules since then.

[Ze_Reckless]

CVs can farm achievements easily with their infinite range and the ability to strike every type of ship, I don't see many issues here. DDs can get High Caliber if they focus on torping BBs, I got my last HC with Yugumo btw. You said yourself Kraken is possible, then Confederate is in reach as well. You only need to hit another ship with a couple of gun shots.

It is easier to farm Witherer, Arsonist, Dreadnought, Fireproof with Conqueror / Nelson than with a DD, I give you that. But no one forces you to finish this mission with a DD.

 

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There already is an achievement which caters to destroyers: Liquidator. Let's have a look at it.

 

I got my last Liquidator on 11.02.2019. Somewhat related to that, my last Unsinkable was on 10.02.2019:

 

Spoiler

 

 

Why are these two so old? 

Ah, I know! The flooding changes, when did they happen? 

 

 

Spoiler

 

 

So, since the flooding changes it is impossible for me to get these two achievements. Shouldn't achievements from the honorable category be easier to get than those from the heroic category?

 

Also, what WG said here in the news about the flooding changes is dolphin poo:

 

 

If we got 'greater amount of average damage by flooding' we should be drowning in Liquidator medals by now.

I remember someone pinging the officials in some thread about this: Did the flooding damage for DDs increase since the changes? He never got an answer, I wonder why. 

 

Yes, achievements for DDs could use some love. Or maybe just revert the flooding change for DD torps and apply it to CV torps only? (These changes only needed to be done because CVs could get ridiculous amounts of flooding damage, yet another way for rework CVs to crap on DDs lol.)

[Rionnen_marksman]

Dreadnaught isn’t that hard to get in a dd, as long as you have enough heal charges and use a flag.

[rnat]

19 minutes ago, Ze_Reckless said:

So, since the flooding changes it is impossible for me to get these two achievements. Shouldn't achievements from the honorable category be easier to get than those from the heroic category?

 

Also, what WG said here in the news about the flooding changes is dolphin poo:

 

 

If we got 'greater amount of average damage by flooding' we should be drowning in Liquidator medals by now.

I remember someone pinging the officials in some thread about this: Did the flooding damage for DDs increase since the changes? He never got an answer, I wonder why. 

@MrConway @Crysantos @Sub_Octavianare you aware of any news on that front you could reveal, e.g. are there any changes in a planning stage or is it on a to-do list for the next 1-2 quarters ?

I'm aware that there's not gonna be any details, just curious if this is currently on the devs radar. (also sorry for the multi-ping)

[Jethro_Grey]

23 minutes ago, Ze_Reckless said:

CVs can farm achievements easily with their infinite range and the ability to strike every type of ship, I don't see many issues here. DDs can get High Caliber if they focus on torping BBs, I got my last HC with Yugumo btw. You said yourself Kraken is possible, then Confederate is in reach as well. You only need to hit another ship with a couple of gun shots.

It is easier to farm Witherer, Arsonist, Dreadnought, Fireproof with Conqueror / Nelson than with a DD, I give you that. But no one forces you to finish this mission with a DD.

 

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There already is an achievement which caters to destroyers: Liquidator. Let's have a look at it.

 

I got my last Liquidator on 11.02.2019. Somewhat related to that, my last Unsinkable was on 10.02.2019:

 

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Why are these two so old? 

Ah, I know! The flooding changes, when did they happen? 

 

 

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So, since the flooding changes it is impossible for me to get these two achievements. Shouldn't achievements from the honorable category be easier to get than those from the heroic category?

 

Also, what WG said here in the news about the flooding changes is dolphin poo:

 

 

If we got 'greater amount of average damage by flooding' we should be drowning in Liquidator medals by now.

I remember someone pinging the officials in some thread about this: Did the flooding damage for DDs increase since the changes? He never got an answer, I wonder why. 

 

Yes, achievements for DDs could use some love. Or maybe just revert the flooding change for DD torps and apply it to CV torps only? (These changes only needed to be done because CVs could get ridiculous amounts of flooding damage, yet another way for rework CVs to crap on DDs lol.)

WGs horse $hit marketing fluff. 

I play a crap ton of DDs, and the highest amount of flooding I got was 30k-ish, and that on a afk BB. I needed 2 torp Volleys to achieve that. 

 

 

 

In regards to OPs proposal: 

 

1. He got shat upon

DDs, once per game 

when you get wrecked and sunk by a CV, cause there is no counterplay 

reward: 5000 XP on a CV you’re grinding

 

2. At least he tried 

DDs, once per game

when you shoot down 5 planes before you get shat upon and sunk by a CV while trying to cap

rewards: see above

 

3. Better play CVs

DDs, only once

get shat upon and sunk by a CV 100 times

reward: you get two TVIII CVs fully researched and 5 detonation flags! 

[Profilus]

1 hour ago, Ze_Reckless said:

I got my last Liquidator on 11.02.2019. Somewhat related to that, my last Unsinkable was on 10.02.2019:

Didnt they remove ability to get 1 or both of them( even theoretically)? I have a feeling i read it somewhere? Might have been a dream.

 

nvm, they didn't, its just reality that you can't get them.

[Verblonde]

I'd certainly agree with the notion that DDs could use some medals focused in their direction (says the DD main!) - quite apart from anything else, DDs get lousy rewards (or none) for basically doing their job, so something aimed at rewarding the 'not damage' stuff we're meant to be doing might mitigate that somewhat, and encourage more DD players to spot/cap etc...

[Bear__Necessities]

They can make a "Just Dodge" one for DD's. For any DD who lives past the 1st strike from CV rocket squads. 

[Ze_Reckless]

4 hours ago, Profilus said:

Didnt they remove ability to get 1 or both of them( even theoretically)? I have a feeling i read it somewhere? Might have been a dream.

 

nvm, they didn't, its just reality that you can't get them.

It might be theoretically possible to get Liquidator with the Swedish DDs because of their low alpha. All other DDs kill the target with alpha before they can accumulate enough flooding damage.

[Ouzo11]

DD Achievements for:
-Number of spotted ships per battle
-Spot damage
-Potential damage. Hell when my gearing tanks 2,5m while my bbs crap in the back and play sniper elite 3 i wanna get rewarded for it.
-Torps spotted.

Also, imrpove the xp rewards for potential and spot damage.
With the amount of radars and stealthy light cruisers flying around it is the least you, in WG, can do to give back some love to dds

[Cambera_1]

9 hours ago, Ze_Reckless said:

You said yourself Kraken is possible, then Confederate is in reach as well. You only need to hit another ship with a couple of gun shots.

Please look at the requirements for Confederate. It requires the player to damage 6 ships; yes, one more than the Kraken, but it also requires "Damage caused to each ship must exceed 20% of her  normal  HP". 

It is this second requirement that actually makes it difficult for the DD to achieve, unless they are able to land torpedoes on 6 different ships, or similar amounts of damage.

 

(If you are an Swedish DD, make that at least 2 torpedoes on 6 ships to break 20% HP damage.) 

[NothingButTheRain]

There already is a speshuul award for destroyers, it's called Detonation   

And lots of people farm it 

 

Hail to the detonation! 

 

If DDs get a special award, how about an award for every DD which manages to not die within the first 10 minutes? Wouldn't that be special 

and easy to farm for any half decent DD player.

 

Btw, on a more serious note now, I like the spotting damage and the # torps spotted ones. Especially spotting torps is really underappreciated but it helps so much when screening ahead. Issue is that to remain unspotted, a DD player will often miss out on doing a lot of damage.

I also like the potential damage one.

 

And now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't it make sense to not have the Detonation award reward you with 10 deto signals? I can see some cheapskates deliberately not flying a deto signal till they get detonated at least once on a certain day?

[NothingButTheRain]

10 hours ago, Profilus said:

Didnt they remove ability to get 1 or both of them( even theoretically)? I have a feeling i read it somewhere? Might have been a dream.

 

nvm, they didn't, its just reality that you can't get them.

Im not ingame right now, but perhaps WG removed the ability to earn the flooding signals with the Liquidator award?

Iirc it was something along those lines, because Liquidator became virtually impossible to get post-flooding rework.

Kinda odd that WG never reworked the Liquidator award alongside the flooding rework.

[Ouzo11]

4 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

And now that I'm thinking about it, wouldn't it make sense to not have the Detonation award reward you with 10 deto signals? I can see some cheapskates deliberately not flying a deto signal till they get detonated at least once on a certain day? 

Who is getting detonated once per day?
Twice per month at maximum. Using 400 flags to avoid getting detonated twice is an overkill really

[Migantium_Mashum]

What about the LIQUIDATOR?

 

I am a DD main and I haven't had a Liquidator in over 14 months... and it's almost impossible to get a flood either even with Juliet Whiskey and Victor Lima flags flying...

 

Yesterday in my Gearing I had 14 torpedo hits and one flood.... one single damned flood.

 

A torpedo blows a hole in the side of a ship when it explodes.... not according to the way WG works lately.

 

7th of January 2019 was my last Liquidator...

 

 

 

@MrConway @Sub_Octavian @Crysantos

 

What do torpedoes do when they hit a ship?

 

[Profilus]

1 hour ago, Ouzo11 said:

Who is getting detonated once per day?
Twice per month at maximum. Using 400 flags to avoid getting detonated twice is an overkill really

I used to use Blyska for my daily detonation, but at some point it refused to detonate on demand.

[Profilus]

1 hour ago, NothingButTheRain said:

Im not ingame right now, but perhaps WG removed the ability to earn the flooding signals with the Liquidator award?

Thats it. I just messed up what was it about. You are correct 100%. They probably were upset that there was theoretical chance to get those flags free and everybody will flood to death bc they seem to think that 1 torp hit causes 5 floods.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Dreadnaught is achievable with a DD.

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Dreadnaught is achievable with a DD.

This is true - I got one last week with one of the Ikea DDs (I think my first one ever was a DD too - Kidd)...