Bismarck and Tirpitz - Barely tier VIII in 0.9.2.0

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On 3/23/2020 at 4:38 PM, rnat said:

Unless most of your matches in both ships were after the patch allow me to call BS on that. The result lafeel posted isn't that far off from your best performance in those ships and far from your average.

 Funnily enough you set new personal records for both damage done and exp earned in the Bismarck and Tirpitz respectively just 3 days ago, which is very much after the patch that made them "unplayable".

 

I have no idea where to find the numbers you refer to, let alone as to why you would have any access to them? 

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, YidDogg said:

 

It doesn't play like a Tier8 anymore - compared to other T8's. 

When NC, Monarch and Amagi run better for you, then that has probably to do with your personal preference.

[ShinGetsu]

10 minutes ago, YidDogg said:

 

It doesn't play like a Tier8 anymore - compared to other T8's. 

 

Considering you didn't play any other tier 8 battleship, on what basis do you say that ?

 

7 minutes ago, YidDogg said:

 

I have no idea where to find the numbers you refer to, let alone as to why you would have any access to them? 

 

Right on your profile page.

It shows you average 43.000 damage with Tirpitz and 45.000 with Bismarck.

 

That's not even half of what you claim to be "your average match". And that's honestly pretty low for a tier 8 battleship. 70.000 would be a far more decent average damage.

On the other hand, you're playing tier 8 and already have Hindenburg when you don't even have 1000 battles. Of course you're gonna struggle.

 

Also, play something else than German. Going full wehraboo don't help. Try other nation, you'll learn way more with them.

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Just now, ShinGetsu said:

 

Considering you didn't play any other tier 8 battleship, on what basis do you say that ?

 

 

Right on your profile page.

It shows you average 43.000 damage with Tirpitz and 45.000 with Bismarck.

 

 That's not even half of what you claim to be "your average match". And that's honestly pretty low for a tier 8 battleship. 70.000 would be a far more decent average damage.

On the other hand, you're playing tier 8 and already have Hindenburg when you don't even have 1000 battles. Of course you're gonna struggle.

 

Also, play something else than German. Going full wehraboo don't help. Try other nation, you'll learn way more with them.

 

I don't know where to find that, but I am sure you are right - I may mistake the credit harvest for damage done. That would make sense. 

[rnat]

19 minutes ago, YidDogg said:

I have no idea where to find the numbers you refer to, let alone as to why you would have any access to them? 

You can check your statistics on the website or ingame. By default all aggregate stats are public.

For your reference:

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/563263224-YidDogg/!/pvp/ships/?bestShip=tirpitz

https://wows-numbers.com/player/563263224,YidDogg/

 

Also props for returning to your thread and not abandoning ship like many tend to do with these.

[pissBoiler]

10 minutes ago, rnat said:

You can check your statistics on the website or ingame. By default all aggregate stats are public.

For your reference:

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/563263224-YidDogg/!/pvp/ships/?bestShip=tirpitz

https://wows-numbers.com/player/563263224,YidDogg/

 

Also props for returning to your thread and not abandoning ship like many tend to do with these.

 

Yeah definately mistook damage for credits in that first reply to me. 

 

LOL I rather average the same credits as others do damage. Hillarious. 

 

Tbh though, I understand why others abandon threads in these situations... 

[ShinGetsu]

You just lack experience. You rushed the tiers too quickly.

Many players do the same mistakes. Tier 5/6/7 are way better to learn overall.

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12 minutes ago, ShinGetsu said:

You just lack experience. You rushed the tiers too quickly.

Many players do the same mistakes. Tier 5/6/7 are way better to learn overall.

 

In danger of repeating myself here, but - yeah. I am a casual gamer and will always need experience. 

 

My OG was merely referring to the odd observations on the 2 ships. 

[lafeel]

After this game I can safely say that there's definetly nothing wrong with Bismarck after 9,2. @YidDogg

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19 hours ago, lafeel said:

After this game I can safely say that there's definetly nothing wrong with Bismarck after 9,2. @YidDogg

Decent with 4 citadels from 29 MB hits!!!! 

[lafeel]

1 minute ago, YidDogg said:

Decent with 4 citadels from 29 MB hits!!!! 

All on the Musashi, in case you were wondeirng.

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Just now, lafeel said:

All on the Musashi, in case you were wondeirng.

 

Big target, but still ... 

[Krieger00]

All I see are screenshots of battles with people stupid enough to get into secondary and/or torp range. Which in the current meta is situational.

Across the board , T8 feels ~7/10 are t9-10 battles, with Island campers or Bowon Yolos, usually not in secondary range or behind hard cover. Brawling means to get melted to death, and dont even get me started about when the Bowon Yolo is a GSSSSS BB.

 

Do yourself a favor, play another nation...EasyMode Americans or BabyMode Soviets, the latter especially with the cruiser split about to happen, seeing the Stronk Bias they roll with so far, thats where the fun is.

I mean, CCs doing 20+ citadels in one round with the 220mm , 995/ms railguns ,  shows where this game is going.

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, Krieger00 said:

Do yourself a favor, play another nation...EasyMode Americans

Really?

Did you even take a look at the server stats?

• NC, last in winrate on Tier VIII
• Iowa, last in winrate on Tier IX
• Montana, second to last in winrate on Tier X

US BB are the worst performing line in high Tier at the moment.

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On 3/29/2020 at 7:27 PM, ColonelPete said:

Really?

 Did you even take a look at the server stats?

• NC, last in winrate on Tier VIII
• Iowa, last in winrate on Tier IX
• Montana, second to last in winrate on Tier X

 US BB are the worst performing line in high Tier at the moment.

 

To return to this subject of BB tier VIII, Massachusets seem to be doing the best in every single game I meet them, no matter if my team or opposition. 

 

May be anecdotical, since it is a premium ship which everyone can buy, I suppose

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, YidDogg said:

May be anecdotical, since it is a premium ship which everyone can buy, I suppose

Exactly. She is overtuned to get better sales.

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16 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Exactly. She is overtuned to get better sales.

 

Interesting. 

 

As far as I can search up a number of players seem to believe that German ships are underpowered, because they are sold "anyway" to German/European customers. 

 

So very interesting to hear you agree that Mass is perhaps indeed OP in some ways. 

 

I think you showed me som numbers on Bismarck earlier. Do you have a link to the Massachusets ones too?

[ColonelPete]

33 minutes ago, YidDogg said:

 

Interesting. 

 

As far as I can search up a number of players seem to believe that German ships are underpowered, because they are sold "anyway" to German/European customers. 

 

So very interesting to hear you agree that Mass is perhaps indeed OP in some ways. 

 

I think you showed me som numbers on Bismarck earlier. Do you have a link to the Massachusets ones too?

No, she is not "OP". She is strong.

 

Remember you cannot compare premium and silver ships directly:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200321/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

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17 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

No, she is not "OP". She is strong.

 

Remember you cannot compare premium and silver ships directly:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200321/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

 

Why not comparable?

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, YidDogg said:

 

Why not comparable?

• premium ships come fully reseached, silver ships come stock and are played partly stock
• premium ships do not need commander retraining and field on average more experienced commanders than silver ships, this is especially true for Massa
• premium ships are often a choice, while silver ships are often just stepping stones to the next ship, even when you and the ship do not click, most people muddle through to the next ship, when you do not like your premium ship, you stop playing it

[Nit0]

My impression is that Tirpitz always have been a popular ship to buy, more so than Massachusetts. So there are way more useless potatoes in Tirpitz than in any other tier 8 premium ship. I have no numbers to back this up, this is purely my observations in random battles. Seeing the typical inexperienced turd sail behind islands and out of combat half the game seems to happen more often in Tirpitz 😁 

 

If there are a big enough amount of noobs playing Tirpitz compared to Massachusetts, I would believe this would also do something about the stats for the ships too. Just me speculating 🧐

[Miragetank90]

56 minutes ago, Nit0 said:

My impression is that Tirpitz always have been a popular ship to buy, more so than Massachusetts.

 

She's more famous, coupled with the larger German population on this server, being EU of course. It makes sense. 

 

And well, she's one of the oldest prems.

[pissBoiler]

1 hour ago, Nit0 said:

My impression is that Tirpitz always have been a popular ship to buy, more so than Massachusetts. So there are way more useless potatoes in Tirpitz than in any other tier 8 premium ship. I have no numbers to back this up, this is purely my observations in random battles. Seeing the typical inexperienced turd sail behind islands and out of combat half the game seems to happen more often in Tirpitz 😁 

 

If there are a big enough amount of noobs playing Tirpitz compared to Massachusetts, I would believe this would also do something about the stats for the ships too. Just me speculating 🧐

 

Probably, you can never discard the player factor. 

 

My observation was purely, that I always seem to struggle against Massachusets, no wonder my own class, tier og ship. Accordingly, I seem to benefit from dovetaling teammates who drive the Mass since they are more often than not succesfull in whatever scenario. 

[inanimate_pl]

What do you think about new matchmaking introduced in 0.9.3? 

In my opinion tirpitz is unplayable right now. I face tiers 10 in 90% games, and ther have no troubles with Tirpitz armor, and dont even care about the Tirpitz guns. I had really good times with Tirpitz in 0.9.2. I just cant play this ship anymore. 

[ColonelPete]

0.9.3 did not change the ratio. It increased the minimum number of Tier VIII ships when in a Tier X battle, which is a good thing.