[-MNG-] M0bius_One Players 214 posts 4,292 battles Report post #1 Posted March 19, 2020 It's clear where the bias is. 8 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #2 Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, British_Imperialist said: It's clear where the bias is. Yes, Chapa is the worst performing Tier VIII cruiser... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-MNG-] M0bius_One Players 214 posts 4,292 battles Report post #3 Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, ColonelPete said: Yes, Chapa is the worst performing Tier VIII cruiser... Spreadsheet Warrior. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] Miragetank90 Players 2,626 posts 18,702 battles Report post #4 Posted March 19, 2020 You seriously believe that there are no other strong ships in this game apart from Kremlin, Stalin and co.? 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #5 Posted March 19, 2020 Thunderer, Des Moines, Guilio Cesare, Missouri, Cleveland, Kleber, Daring, Fiji, Belfast, Scharnhorst, Warspite, .... anybody want to continue that list? 9 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-MNG-] M0bius_One Players 214 posts 4,292 battles Report post #6 Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said: You seriously believe that there are no other strong ships in this game apart from Kremlin, Stalin and co.? If you're playing solely to win games, I don't see why you wouldn't play the best ships available, which in most tiers happen to be Soviet. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #7 Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Allied_Winter said: Thunderer, Des Moines, Guilio Cesare, Missouri, Cleveland, Kleber, Daring, Fiji, Belfast, Scharnhorst, Warspite, .... anybody want to continue that list? Cleveland and scharnhorst? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #8 Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, CptBarney said: Cleveland and scharnhorst? Don't think so? Cleveland is still a beast (if her tools are applied correctly). Granted though: I haven't played her since the IFHE rework so that might've weakend her a bit (but so would that have weakend all T8 russian cruisers). And Scharnhorst? Imho still a solid allrounder that might lack the punch of SinOP but brings much more versatility to the table. No? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #9 Posted March 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, British_Imperialist said: Spreadsheet Warrior. Facts are better than fiction. 7 minutes ago, British_Imperialist said: If you're playing solely to win games, I don't see why you wouldn't play the best ships available, which in most tiers happen to be Soviet. Depends on the class and if you count premiums/reward ships. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTT] GraySlayer Players 645 posts 5,469 battles Report post #10 Posted March 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, British_Imperialist said: If you're playing solely to win games, I don't see why you wouldn't play the best ships available, which in most tiers happen to be Soviet. T5 I do well in Fujin, Mutsuki, Minikaze T6 I do well in Fubuki, Hatsuharu, West Virginia, Perth, Mutsu T7 I do well in Shira, Belfast, Fiji, Mahan, T8 I do well in Massa, Asashio, Kidd, Alabama, T9 I do well in Alaska B, Benham, Yugumo T10 I loathe but do ok In Shima Not a Soviet in sight! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #11 Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Allied_Winter said: Don't think so? Cleveland is still a beast (if her tools are applied correctly). Granted though: I haven't played her since the IFHE rework so that might've weakend her a bit (but so would that have weakend all T8 russian cruisers). And Scharnhorst? Imho still a solid allrounder that might lack the punch of SinOP but brings much more versatility to the table. No? I wouldn't say they are OP or very strong ships, scharnhorst is an allrounder but excels at nothing and cleveland is just a island humper like the rest of the USN CL line, requiring certain events to occur for her to be useful otherwise good luck hitting anything kiting away or that isnt slow and unaware. Not saying they are incomperable to their russian counterparts, but better examples would be Belfast at tier 7 plus nelson and irian. Or amalfi and bayard. They can do things but there are better examples of stronger ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BFROS] Gess79 Players 55 posts 6,548 battles Report post #12 Posted March 19, 2020 Yes there is a bias towards Soviet ships but I wouldn't say they're ridiculously OP. As others have stated there are plenty of viable non-Soviet ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #13 Posted March 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, CptBarney said: They can do things but there are better examples of stronger ships. Hence my last point: Who wants to continue the list Bayard IS a great example. I'd rate Amalfi weaker as Cleveland, but I get your point. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrFingers Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 3,242 posts Report post #14 Posted March 19, 2020 Because I like historical ships, and stuff that was actually built... Sure, there are some stinkers and lemons in each line, and absolute gems in each line as well. But it's my impression as well that the Soviet ships are more often than not found either absolutely on top, or at least not that far from it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] Miragetank90 Players 2,626 posts 18,702 battles Report post #15 Posted March 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, British_Imperialist said: If you're playing solely to win games, I don't see why you wouldn't play the best ships available, which in most tiers happen to be Soviet. Highly debatable. My best ships per tier are not even Soviet... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #16 Posted March 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, British_Imperialist said: If you're playing solely to win games, I don't see why you wouldn't play the best ships available, which in most tiers happen to be Soviet. Your WR with russian ships is 50,42% while your acc WR is 50,11%... your theory doesnt seem to hold up. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #17 Posted March 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said: Highly debatable. My best ships per tier are not even Soviet... Makes me wonder how slava, borodino, the new russian cruisers and the prems would face in todays environment. Wonder if we will see a supercruiser with 330's or 350s at anypoint. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-O-M] MadBadDave Players 1,355 posts Report post #18 Posted March 19, 2020 Errrr Yes, If you want fantasy op paper ships from a dire, lacklustre and absent navy use Russian, knowing that the play will be easier than some other countries, I have no doubt Russian Cvs and subs will be as biased and op as the Smolensk is. If you want real, historic and heroic ships that are deliberately handicapped by the game developers play “any” non Russian ship knowing that you’ll have won against the odds 😄. Btw isn’t it funny mainly Russian ships seem to be nerfed or removed these days, why is that WG ?. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] Miragetank90 Players 2,626 posts 18,702 battles Report post #19 Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, CptBarney said: Makes me wonder how slava, borodino, the new russian cruisers and the prems would face in todays environment. Wonder if we will see a supercruiser with 330's or 350s at anypoint. Shhhh don't say *Slava* in here, do you want that crazy ship to be introduced?! Hi WG, nothing to see here, move along... yes you - move along 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #20 Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Miragetank90 said: Shhhh don't say *Slava* in here, do you want that crazy ship to be introduced?! Hi WG, nothing to see here, move along... yes you - move along Well with the new CC thing, she could comeback from her long holiday Maybe pobeda with 457's for much needed balans? And don't forget soyuz rossiya as well *extremely loud breathing from behind* halp ;w; 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #21 Posted March 19, 2020 50 minutes ago, British_Imperialist said: It's clear where the bias is. Lul such low quality bait ^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RO-RN] Animalul2012 Players 1,345 posts 21,361 battles Report post #22 Posted March 19, 2020 Yes the bias is in the head of the ,,soviet bias people"" the only nation with OP/broken ships(kremlin,smolenks,sinop) and it is clearly that moskva and grozovoi and especially khabarovsk are OP as well. You soviet bias believers are stupid, you telling that there is not any other nation bias in this game HUH? benham,des moines,ohio(USA all stupid broken ships),kleber,marceau(France),conqueror,thunderer(UK)asashio,yamato,kitakaze,shimakaze(IJN).t61,z-39,agir(germany). You all that believe in russian bias are just a bunch of ignorant people that do not acknowledge other nations very strong/OP/Broken ships as mentioned above. SIGH...pan asia and italy to some extent are truly weak in terms of OP/broken ships italy has what? Giulio cesare and that is t5, pan asia has what? shenyang and fushun are strong at best while the rest of the ships/premium ships are meh/situational at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SM0KE] Verblonde Players 9,787 posts 20,664 battles Report post #23 Posted March 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said: You soviet bias believers are stupid Depends a bit how you define your terms (especially if you know about the Defender etc. in WOT). The reason I think there is most likely a bias to at least make Russian things more powerful than they were (if they even existed) is that it makes economic sense for WG to do so; they have a large Russian customer base who seem to be spectacularly insecure about their own nation, so WG will make more money if they pander to these tendencies. Most Europeans - at least - have a more relaxed view of their own nation's greatness etc. which suggests that we're (I know I'm Canadian as well, but I started in Europe) rather more relaxed if 'our' ships are weird/fun rather than flat-out powerful. The other thing to have on the radar is that it doesn't have to be just about the ships; in WOT at least, the overall environment in which the vehicles operate matters at least as much e.g. in WOT, the Russians often tend to be very good brawlers with high alphas; if the maps all favoured sniping, they would be underpowered, but WG make sure almost all maps favour brawlers, so effectively handing the Russians a built-in advantage. I'm not sufficiently expert in WOWS Russians to be able to pick out examples (they even not be many), but you see the logic? To me, the interesting question is what - if anything - happens if the reports of Russian server numbers dropping are true and a long-term trend? If the Russian market changes, we could easily see a shift in emphasis to maximise income from the 'new reality'...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #24 Posted March 19, 2020 Some nations live in denial of reality. The Trumansky Show, if you want to call it so. And woe to the messiah who tells them the truth... be it paper ships or Covid. Blissful ignorance must be fiercely guarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keijo_Kalmakoura Players 162 posts 5,824 battles Report post #25 Posted March 19, 2020 You, guys gotta understand majority of higher tier soviet ships are ever existed only on a napkin or in some red party members wet dreams! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
