Interesting... they (accidentally ?) omitted the Russian/Soviet 130 mm guns from tables regarding the upcoming IFHE changes!

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

Interesting... they (accidentally ?) omitted the Russian/Soviet 130 mm guns from tables regarding the upcoming IFHE changes...

 

Has anyone else noticed this as well?

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-092-european-destroyers/#ifhe-changes

 

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Aragathor]

43 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

Interesting... they (accidentally ?) omitted the Russian/Soviet 130 mm guns from tables regarding the upcoming IFHE changes...

 

Has anyone else noticed this as well?

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-092-european-destroyers/#ifhe-changes

 

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

They also did this to the 127mm American guns.

 

According to reddit users no changes in pen will be applied to them. So Atlanta and US secondaries will still pen 26mm with IFHE and Russians will pen 26mm with it.

 

Edited the values to the new 25% pen value of IFHE.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

1 minute ago, Aragathor said:

They also did this to the 127mm American guns.

 

According to reddit users no changes in pen will be applied to them. So Atlanta and US secondaries will still pen 27mm with IFHE and Russians will pen 28mm with it.

 

Possible... very possible...

 

Ahh... decisions... decisions... because I do have specialized 19-point Captain IFHE builds for "Atlanta", "Massachusetts" and "Smolensk"...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

They also did this to the 127mm American guns.

 

According to reddit users no changes in pen will be applied to them. So Atlanta and US secondaries will still pen 27mm with IFHE and Russians will pen 28mm with it.

No. IFHE brings only +25% not +30% with next patch.

[Aragathor]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

No. IFHE brings only +25% not +30% with next patch.

Fixed that already...

[fumtu]

Both US 127mm and Soviet 130mm guns would only be able to pen 26mm with IFHE. This will be a big nerf for Smolensk and Colbert. This basically makes IFHE almost useless to them as they only give you chance to pen bow and stern of cruisers with 25mm while the rest of the hull is impenetrable. Not worth lossing 50% of fire chance 

[Aragathor]

9 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Both US 127mm and Soviet 130mm guns would only be able to pen 26mm with IFHE. This will be a big nerf for Smolensk and Colbert. This basically makes IFHE almost useless to them as they only give you chance to pen bow and stern of cruisers with 25mm while the rest of the hull is impenetrable. Not worth lossing 50% of fire chance 

Right now Smolester is only penning 28mm with IFHE. And with the change of pen from "larger than" to "equal or larger" you still get over the 26mm threshold.

 

But you're right, the change doesn't make it worthwhile to keep it.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

11 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Both US 127mm and Soviet 130mm guns would only be able to pen 26mm with IFHE. This will be a big nerf for Smolensk and Colbert. This basically makes IFHE almost useless to them as they only give you chance to pen bow and stern of cruisers with 25mm while the rest of the hull is impenetrable. Not worth lossing 50% of fire chance 

 

So... practically... we can strip down IFHE from almost all ships (that used to have it until upcoming patch)...

 

 

Leo "Apolo11"

[CptBarney]

so georgias secondaries won't be able to benefit from it?

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

Just now, CptBarney said:

so georgias secondaries won't be able to benefit from it?

 

It looks like I will be placing back the "Concealment Expert" to my "Massachusetts" as well...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[fumtu]

9 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Right now Smolester is only penning 28mm with IFHE. And with the change of pen from "larger than" to "equal or larger" you still get over the 26mm threshold.

 

As @ColonelPete already mentioned, IFHE will only add 25 % instead of previus 30%. From official update

 

Quote

• The bonus applied to the armor-penetration capabilities of HE shells has been changed from 30% to 25%.

 

If you have any other info them please share.

 

8 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

So... practically... we can strip down IFHE from almost all ships (that used to have it until upcoming patch...

 

Not really, depending on ships. For Atlanta and Flint you still benefit as there is much more targets to shoot with additional pen but for T9 and T10 ships much less as lot of ships are getting increased central hull armour while on the same time you IFHE give less bonus. 

 

Keep in mind, all of this is based on info that IFHE gives only 25% for all tiers and that there isn't any changes to pen values for the ships which are not armed with 152/155mm guns.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

11 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

 

So... practically... we can strip down IFHE from almost all ships (that used to have it until upcoming patch)...

 

 

Leo "Apolo11"

 

So this would be the 'rule of thumb'?

 

BTW, hope you noticed there is a button in the news article you have to click to activate the free respeccing.....

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-092-european-destroyers/

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

So this would be the 'rule of thumb'?

 

BTW, hope you noticed there is a button in the news article you have to click to activate the free respeccing.....

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-092-european-destroyers/

oh lol, i didnt even think the changes were today but someother time.

pretty difficult to win tier 8 battles in my perth as it is.

[herrjott]

Vor 20 Minuten, fumtu sagte:

Both US 127mm and Soviet 130mm guns would only be able to pen 26mm with IFHE. This will be a big nerf for Smolensk and Colbert. This basically makes IFHE almost useless to them as they only give you chance to pen bow and stern of cruisers with 25mm while the rest of the hull is impenetrable. Not worth lossing 50% of fire chance 

Anybody tested this on the PTS? Because theoretically the 130mm should still be able to pen 27mm (130mm/6*1.25= 27.08mm) when the -1mm after rounding rule is dropped.

[Aragathor]

8 minutes ago, fumtu said:

As @ColonelPete already mentioned, IFHE will only add 25 % instead of previus 30%. From official update

I already changed that to the 25% value in my original post. What's your problem?

[Taliesn]

9 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

As @ColonelPete already mentioned, IFHE will only add 25 % instead of previus 30%. From official update

 

 

If you have any other info them please share.

 

 

Not really, depending on ships. For Atlanta and Flint you still benefit as there is much more targets to shoot with additional pen but for T9 and T10 ships much less as lot of ships are getting increased central hull armour while on the same time you IFHE give less bonus. 

 

Keep in mind, all of this is based on info that IFHE gives only 25% for all tiers and that there isn't any changes to pen values for the ships which are not armed with 152/155mm guns.

 

So what about Kutuzov? I don't think I have IFHE on any other ships (may need to check)

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

I already changed that to the 25% value in my original post. What's your problem?

 

They are politely telling you that you need to practice your ninja technique. This forum expects perfection!

[fumtu]

7 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

I already changed that to the 25% value in my original post. What's your problem?

Well that means that Smolensk can’t pen 28mm but 26mm which means it can only 25mm of bow and stearn as everything else is impenetrable with he.

[fumtu]

12 minutes ago, herrjott said:

Anybody tested this on the PTS? Because theoretically the 130mm should still be able to pen 27mm (130mm/6*1.25= 27.08mm) when the -1mm after rounding rule is dropped.

 
That is not how it is calculated now. You first find how much it pen (21mm for 130mm guns) and then add 25%.

[GraySlayer]

Is their a nice spreadsheet somewhere with what ships to put it on and what not? 

[TheBrut3]

37 minutes ago, herrjott said:

Because theoretically the 130mm should still be able to pen 27mm (130mm/6*1.25= 27.08mm) when the -1mm after rounding rule is dropped.

This sounds more logical then:

23 minutes ago, fumtu said:

That is not how it is calculated now. You first find how much it pen (21mm for 130mm guns) and then add 25%.

 

But hey, it's WG...

Tomorrow we will see if it's 27mm or 26mm.

[invicta2012]

10 minutes ago, GraySlayer said:

Is their a nice spreadsheet somewhere with what ships to put it on and what not? 

Not that I've seen. I think Tier VI-VII ships definitely need it if they did prior to the change - they've been a bit nerfed, really , with the reduction to fire chance - above VIII it depends on the ship.

[Aetius85]

So also the mogami with 155 and dedicated captain will have no more sense?

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

42 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 That is not how it is calculated now. You first find how much it pen (21mm for 130mm guns) and then add 25%.

 

Since 130mm guns have not been stated to have a set penetration value of 21mm now, I believe the 1/6 rule will stay in place for them.

 

And why should you suddenly round at first and then add the 25% ? It is not stated anywhere.

 

[Panocek]

Just now, Aetius85 said:

So also the mogami with 155 and dedicated captain will have no more sense?

Still makes. If anything, it highlights Mogami as THE hightier CL, as she can get 31*1.25=38.75mm, thus she will be able to pen USN BB decks.

 

Changes I'm afraid yeet out the window Z-23 with IFHE, as she will lose 32mm pen. Only redeeming feature of that obsolete destroyer.