[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #1676 Posted May 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, Europizza said: I also play DD, a lot, and I am not too bothered by carriers in general when sailing around avoiding them mostly. End up top 3 in DD more often then not with carriers around. But the rockets, and the silly damage rule exemptions carriers get, to make them just playable, are a soure sight for my weary eyes. I will never get used to seeing gameplay design this bad in my (once) favorite game enviroment. Yeah let's keep it short then. I like the idea of replacing rockets, too. However I think you should team uip with a CV player more. My usual divvy does, he is a DD main. CVs don't bother him that much anymore. 37 minutes ago, Europizza said: Don't get me started about being one-sided especially when we are discussing rocket planes vs. non AA savvy DD's which is almost all of them. I am not in camp DD in this discussion, I want carriers to be fun, and want to like them. I don't because they are boring the hell out of me. Yes they sort of are. I usually only play Ark Royal, as it offers some kind of a challenge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #1677 Posted May 24, 2020 3 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: #1 - With DDs and BBs I mean, your DD usually can kill a BB with one full load. Or damage him so much you can finish him off with guns. When you do that correctly, that BB will not even know where they came from, he never spots you. He has no chance to escape, you are faster. It is easy to complain about something else being OP. But you can see the planes coming 10km away. And you have methods to hide, more than that BB. Besides that some CVs can't even kill you. There's some CVs that even three good strikes on a DD will not kill a DD. Not all., but quite a few. That BB can do no damage on you at all, if you play it correctly. Yet... you complain. You do not play BB? #2 - Some DDs sneak up on a CV, and then kill him. Or spot him and have their BB mates kill him. What is the CV supposed to do if all he has is bombs and torps, while his planes not even spot torpedoes? What you posted is quite a bit one-sided. #3 - I do play some DD, too. Quite badly... however I manage to avoid most CVs (damn radar cruisers though...). #1 - Killing a BB with a single DD torpedo salvo works only under very few circumstances, which usually start with the BB being either a potato or making a grave mistake. Under normal circumstances a BB has tons of options to not get deleted by a single DD torpedo salvo. I play both, so please believe me, that I have quite a bit experience on both giving and taking DD torpedo salvos... And with CV planes, radar, enemy DDs and soon to be subs around, sneaking to the enemy CV to sink it is not an option 90% of the time. Even spotting the CV for the BBs to blap him to hell can be better done by the CV of the team, as usually when the DD is in spotting range of the CV, that's moving away from it - if it has half a brain - the BBs are busy doing BB stuff like humping islands or trying not to be hit... So please try to use some valid examples... :) #2 - see #1 for the effectivness of DDs going after the CV... and yeah, I agree that CVs should be able to defend against DDs with something else than rockets. And guess what, they have that: a team!!! You call for the DD to spot the enemy CV so the BBs can sink it and forget that the CV can easily spot the DD that's coming after him for his teammates to sink it... if the CV isn't a total potato that parked his ship at A1 because reasons... So please don't try to use an argument that goes both ways as if it would only work one way :) #3 - Strange... I usually have less problems avoiding radar than planes... I wonder where that comes from? A, yes... limited number of radar cruisers with a limited range and a limited time that radar is working and a limited number of uses... while planes can just keep cumming and cumming and cumming on your DD... And, to be honest, if you're so bad at playing DD... why should a CV bother to try to sink you? Usually it's the DDs that try to do their job who get targeted first by CVs, not those that don't seem effective enough to be a threat to the CVs team.... :) 2 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: However I think you should team uip with a CV player more. My usual divvy does, he is a DD main. CVs don't bother him that much anymore. You DO know that there are people who for different reasons can't or don't want to play divisions, right? I, for example, do play during daytime, jump from ship/class/tier to a different ship/class/tier, don't own a headset and do housework - washing up, loading the washing machine, vacuuming (sp?) the house etc. between battles... I wouldn't expect there to be many players who'd be ready to division with me... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #1678 Posted May 25, 2020 Sooo, I decided it was time again to check out the state of the game playing from a CV perspective. This is my first CV battle in ages. (Inb4 but but Entreprise OP) Three things to notice. I ended up 1st on the winning team in a tier X match with the silly Big E doing very little direct damage. Most of it was tier X DD damage I guess it added up. Had over 70 k spotting damage without even trying, just random spotdamage while covering mid. 3 enemy DD's ended up top 3 on their team, so well done. I didn't do much more then scout and harass the centre of map keeping the DD's trapped in smoke (they teamed up smoking consecutively). It was a golden cage for them most of the match but they did pretty well regarding. I mitigate flak when i can. At the end of the round I still had full squadrons taking off without predropping. I know I know, it's the Big E. Oh and on my only kill, the shimakaze, my aim was pretty bad. My aimcircle was off to the left of the length of the actual ship. But because of the width of the aimcircle and RNG some stray rockets off to the side of the aimcircle were enough to kill it off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #1679 Posted May 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Europizza said: Most of it was tier X DD damage I guess it added up Because spanking +2 tier higher DDs is always THE best source of easy exp. Not only you get exp quickly due to relatively tiny hp pool of the target, but also bonus from attacking something two tiers higher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #1680 Posted May 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, Europizza said: Sooo, I decided it was time again to check out the state of the game playing from a CV perspective. Ooohhh you B@stard, in BigE no less, but well you need to farm harder. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FIFO] Meremortal Beta Tester 10 posts 6,369 battles Report post #1681 Posted May 25, 2020 Utterly fed up with WG rewarding cowardice (CV's hiding at the back and taking ZERO risks) while punishing bravery (DD's being completely F**ked over with a single counter to the coward in the skys). Here's the thing. WG when 0.8 WoT came out and Arty was nerfed it was the games golden time. People could actually play, bold moves were not punished by a zero risk taking coward, you could brawl! The people who had left the game returned in their droves and the game flourished after floundering for quite some time. If you want WoWs to flourish and get more players DO SOMETHING WITH CV's. If you player numbers to slow, stop and fall away stop messing around with this Submarine nonsense and DO SOMETHING/ STOP REWARDING COWARDICE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #1682 Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Ooohhh you B@stard, in BigE no less, but well you need to farm harder. Thing is I did everything wrong regarding what is being taught about playing carriers. I didn't damage farm. I kept harassing DD's even when they smoked up while randomly dropping into it. 'Wasting my time' on them as some call it. Those DD's did everything right as the round is concerned, and there was nothing they could do but stack smokes together and play from within. I got carried this match, but ended up 1st place anyway. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #1683 Posted May 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, Europizza said: Thing is I did everything wrong regarding what is being taught about playing carriers. I didn't damage farm. I kept harassing DD's even when they smoked up while randomly dropping into it. 'Wasting my time' on them as some call it. Those DD's did everything right as the round is concerned, and there was nothing they could do then stack smokes together and play from within. Well, one of the things they say is "kill the DDs first". When you are T8 and they are T10 it might even be worthwhile (damage). Yes they give a lot of XP (that Shima gave you as much as the Soyuz). 25 minutes ago, Europizza said: I got carried this match, but ended up 1st place anyway. You did (in XP, before win-bonus) just as much as the enemy Kaga I guess. But you are top dog here. So my guess is your activities enabled your team to win. They had a few damn good players (those Dds...) but they couldn't carry their team. Which was probably thanks to you ...and also is why they all died. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WALLET___WARRIOR Players 10 posts 735 battles Report post #1684 Posted May 25, 2020 Its so easy to counter CVs. AA ships, clustering, evasive maneuvers. For some DDs planes are problem, But for CVs 80% of situations are. This meremortal thinks its a cowardice, yet he sucks as a cv player. There are other experienced players like Toptier which WG should listen to and improve the game, not players who would like to dominate the game changing it to their likings. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #1685 Posted May 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: Its so easy to counter CVs. Nope. 17 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: AA ships, Dont exist, unless blobbed and at that point they are actively giving up map control. 17 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: clustering, evasive maneuvers. Does sod all, to a cv thats good or better, will work against avg and below cv's or inexperience cv players. 17 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: For some DDs planes are problem, All of them are, i can bomb a halland as easily as i can bomb a kleber. depends if i aim properly or not. 17 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: This meremortal thinks its a cowardice, yet he sucks as a cv player. Great way to generate sympathy for an arguement by insulting people. 17 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: There are other experienced players like Toptier which WG should listen to and improve the game, not players who would like to dominate the game changing it to their likings. How about no, since the guy clearly wants CV's to be like enterprise or even better so he can just delete anyone without using a brain. I dont mind his vids, but i'd rather not have weegee take his suggestions. Frankly 0.8.5 is the closest to balancing this class you will ever get. 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #1686 Posted May 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: Its so easy to counter CVs. AA ships, clustering, evasive maneuvers. Sure is buddy... buff Cvs... much too hard... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WALLET___WARRIOR Players 10 posts 735 battles Report post #1687 Posted May 25, 2020 All of them are, i can bomb a halland as easily as i can bomb a kleber. depends if i aim properly or not. Thats hilarious joke. Great way to generate sympathy for an arguement by insulting people. Dont be childish. In this modern era is everything an insult ? Grow up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #1688 Posted May 25, 2020 1 minute ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: All of them are, i can bomb a halland as easily as i can bomb a kleber. depends if i aim properly or not. Thats hilarious joke. Just stop, you have literally no idea what you are talking about ... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOFTC] Pikkozoikum Players 7,658 posts 13,680 battles Report post #1689 Posted May 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Sure is buddy... buff Cvs... much too hard... Single Screen shots are always weird. Wasn't there a Yamato with 11 kills? Nerf Yamato pls :D 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WALLET___WARRIOR Players 10 posts 735 battles Report post #1690 Posted May 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Sure is buddy... buff Cvs... much too hard... Then please explain to me why you have almost lower avg damage on your Lexington than on Ark Royal if cvs are op My experience so far is that 4-6 tier CVs are OP as ships dont have practically any AA. But starting from 8+ things are different 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WALLET___WARRIOR Players 10 posts 735 battles Report post #1691 Posted May 25, 2020 57 minutes ago, CptBarney said: All of them are, i can bomb a halland as easily as i can bomb a kleber. depends if i aim properly or not. Would you be willing to give me lessons and learn me that as well ? Thank you How about no, since the guy clearly wants CV's to be like enterprise or even better so he can just delete anyone without using a brain. I dont mind his vids, but i'd rather not have weegee take his suggestions. Frankly 0.8.5 is the closest to balancing this class you will ever get. btw THAT guy is equally good with all classes so using your term (without using a brain) you are insulting people Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #1692 Posted May 25, 2020 33 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: Then please explain to me why you have almost lower avg damage on your Lexington than on Ark Royal if cvs are op Main reason is ROFLSTOMP weekend. If given time, a CV will do loads of damage. Especially a Damage Over Time CV (that has damage due to fires etc) compared to a CV that has AP-stuff. I have only played that one to grind it out for CB (=to get Midway). I never play T8 much. I'll take them one-by-one. Ryujo is next... 33 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: My experience so far is that 4-6 tier CVs are OP as ships dont have practically any AA. But starting from 8+ things are different T4 Cvs are Op indeed. But all Cvs are broken AF. Oh wait, T8? Duh. So what you mean is, after T8 ships get AA. And I should not take Ark Royal there. Ok then I'll take it to T9... What AA? Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #1693 Posted May 25, 2020 57 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said: Single Screen shots are always weird. Wasn't there a Yamato with 11 kills? Nerf Yamato pls :D Not in that game mate. Else I'd have killed him, too. (and I'm not even very good) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #1694 Posted May 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Europizza said: I got carried this match, but ended up 1st place anyway. Question though @Europizza: did any credits result from it? I think not unless you were running full flags and premium account. (which is why you need to farm more... ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #1695 Posted May 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Question though @Europizza: did any credits result from it? I think not unless you were running full flags and premium account. (which is why you need to farm more... ) It's in the first screenshot 582k credits, not sure what the expenses were, I grabbed 3rd screen twice instead of the 4th one so I can't look it up :\ I always run premium and Big E. is premium too so I guess I did allright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #1696 Posted May 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Europizza said: It's in the first screenshot 582k credits, not sure what the expenses were, I grabbed 3rd screen twice instead of the 4th one so I can't look it up :\ I always run premium and Big E. is premium too so I guess I did allright. Yeah you'd have made some credits then. Usually for a T8 Cv it is ~200k servicecost. I don't think you'd have made any if you had no premium account and no premium CV though. Certainly not if your team had potatoed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #1697 Posted May 25, 2020 3 hours ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: Its so easy to counter CVs. AA ships, clustering, evasive maneuvers. With you as opposing CV it might work. If the CV has the slightest clue of what he's doing: nope. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WALLET___WARRIOR Players 10 posts 735 battles Report post #1698 Posted May 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, 159Hunter said: With you as opposing CV it might work. If the CV has the slightest clue of what he's doing: nope. Thats good to hear that after couple thousand battles i will be crushing those Hallands. Im yet a tomato in wows, like you in wot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #1699 Posted May 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: Thats good to hear that after couple thousand battles i will be crushing those Hallands. Sooner, really. Or some never will. 16 minutes ago, WALLET___WARRIOR said: Im yet a tomato in wows, like you in wot HA WoT, well then you will know this one. You will need MANY THOUSANDS of battles... and even then... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] Miragetank90 Players 2,626 posts 18,702 battles Report post #1700 Posted May 25, 2020 4 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: HA WoT, well then you will know this one. You will need MANY THOUSANDS of battles... and even then... I started playing WoT back when M6 could still meet Maus in normal MM. But, I quit a long time ago. Retired as almost unicum in overalls, which I'm OK with, given I played with constant 300ms. Never looked back since. I sometimes miss my M48 Patton, T110E5, Maus, 113. Or my Chinese lights. The rest of the game though can suck it, as far as I'm concerned. Not worth my time anymore. Although, I might consider testing the waters a little again, if they had a server transfer event from NA(My account location) to EU. But in all these years I played, they have never shown any interest in doing so. All NA had was a SEA transfer event window once IIRC and that's it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
