General CV related discussions.

[FellRaven]

8 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

I get the idea; still a Myoko should have no issue (out)damaging the Serov - that ship has no armour to speak of.

You wold think wouldn't you

[black_falcon120]

10 hours ago, AtaIante said:

Can you explain why you deem those suggested buffs necessary?

 

Please go into detail

Because imo CVs are in need of a small buff (approx 10% DB damage buff), and these 'reworks' (the spotting nerf and AA buff) are going in the wrong direction and WG needs to compensate CVs somehow...

[Yosha_AtaIante]

8 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

Because imo CVs are in need of a small buff (approx 10% DB damage buff), and these 'reworks' (the spotting nerf and AA buff) are going in the wrong direction and WG needs to compensate CVs somehow...

That is a very weak explanation. Please tell me what exactly is the issue with current CVs? I will not assist you in finding them by providing you your answers with questions. If you can't provide good reasons on your own then you have no points

[black_falcon120]

16 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

That is a very weak explanation. Please tell me what exactly is the issue with current CVs? I will not assist you in finding them by providing you your answers with questions. If you can't provide good reasons on your own then you have no points

How does WG nerfing CVs quite heavily when they are currently already balanced not count as a good reason?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 hours ago, black_falcon120 said:

How does WG nerfing CVs quite heavily when they are currently already balanced not count as a good reason?

stop trying to asnwer my question with your own. You make the claim that they need buffs. Explain yourself in detail

[Tanaka_15]

8 hours ago, black_falcon120 said:

Because imo CVs are in need of a small buff (approx 10% DB damage buff), and these 'reworks' (the spotting nerf and AA buff) are going in the wrong direction and WG needs to compensate CVs somehow...

WhaąaaaaAaaaaaaaąt? CV in need of dmg buff? You need I win button?

[black_falcon120]

11 hours ago, AtaIante said:

stop trying to asnwer my question with your own. You make the claim that they need buffs. Explain yourself in detail

How do I do that? It’s a game. 
 

I don’t find CVs OP currently and struggle to get large damage numbers. I don’t see what more you need?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

14 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

How do I do that? It’s a game. 
 

I don’t find CVs OP currently and struggle to get large damage numbers. I don’t see what more you need?

I need you to justify the buffs you suggest with clear explanations of why they are needed. Please elaborate on all points with example of why it currently doesn't work well enough and how each specific buff you listed can help

[Panzer_Guido]

14 hours ago, black_falcon120 said:

How does WG nerfing CVs quite heavily when they are currently already balanced not count as a good reason?

it would be funny. I think he is serious though. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

55 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

How do I do that? It’s a game. 
 

I don’t find CVs OP currently and struggle to get large damage numbers. I don’t see what more you need?

You making a solid case that your performance is due to ship characteristics and not your skill level?

[Tanaka_15]

2 hours ago, black_falcon120 said:

I don’t find CVs OP currently and struggle to get large damage numbers. I don’t see what more you need?

Ever give a moment to idea that you are the problem not the most op class in game? 

[BLUB__BLUB]

3 hours ago, black_falcon120 said:

How do I do that? It’s a game. 
 

I don’t find CVs OP currently and struggle to get large damage numbers. I don’t see what more you need?

CVs are broken, and because they are you need some GitGud to be able to abuse them. 
Which means, if you have SOME GitGud you'll be able to farm (lots of!!) damage OR get a high WR. 
If you are actually good, you will be able to do both, as you like it. Really, you will. 

 

If you are NOT any good, it means you will have to take the targets that you can get. 

That is, the ones that are close to you or screw it up so you can farm them. 
This means you'll under-perform if you meet a CV that is better than you. 

You will find that there is a "flipping point" when you actually grasp the 'problem'. 
Once you're past that, there are no limits (well... almost none) to what you can abuse a CV for.

 

I have a solo WR of >70% in Hakuryu, and ~55% in Ryujo. And several CVs with damage records over 200K.
No problems getting > 100K in any CV (if >T6), but here's the point: I AM NOT THAT GOOD just somewhat 'savvy'. 
Also, I am not really trying that hard. If I would, maybe I could get >70%WR from any CV. Or average 150K damage.

Instead I just troll around. I will waste time spotting for divmates, so they can farm harder, to help them grind.
Or drop torps to chase something out of smoke, while I know I will not hit him (but my mates will...). 
Drop torps lined up with a BB so he has a choice to eat torps or (but he doesn't know that) receive a full AP-blap...

I will also go murder a Halland in my T8 CV if he has a big mouth in chat, and all that. Yes, zero karma... 

Believe me, CVs do not need any buffs. The cause is between the seat and the keyboard. 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 hour ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

The cause is between the seat and the keyboard. 

hard to accept for many but true

[BLUB__BLUB]

9 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

hard to accept for many but true

Well I know it so why would they not. The average player is around 47% or so, which is due to the many that suck heaps.
But in CVs, once you pass that "point of no return" it is very very easy to just smack everything. 
All they can do is "just dodge" upto a certain extent. Well yeah except damn Hallands LMAO. 

[black_falcon120]

7 hours ago, AtaIante said:

I need you to justify the buffs you suggest with clear explanations of why they are needed. Please elaborate on all points with example of why it currently doesn't work well enough and how each specific buff you listed can help

Ok, but I was trying to create a poll on which buff people would prefer, so I'm not sure whether the argument about whether a buff is neccessary or not is germaine to this conversation.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

9 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

Ok, but I was trying to create a poll on which buff people would prefer, so I'm not sure whether the argument about whether a buff is neccessary or not is germaine to this conversation.

 

It is very important. You can't just make up nonsense you can't even justify in text and ask people about it. Now please explain why you feel each and every one of these buffs is even on the poll in the first place. No one will take your poll seriously if you can't even give a good reason for why to vote for any of the buffs!

 

Stop expecting others to explain it for you!

[black_falcon120]

1 hour ago, AtaIante said:

It is very important. You can't just make up nonsense you can't even justify in text and ask people about it. Now please explain why you feel each and every one of these buffs is even on the poll in the first place. No one will take your poll seriously if you can't even give a good reason for why to vote for any of the buffs!

 

Stop expecting others to explain it for you!

WG is nerfing CVs hard, so it will probably have to give CVs a form of compensatory buff, so I'm trying to suggest a new one. I don't think all of them should be on the table, but I do think that I should ask the forum about these buffs.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

22 hours ago, AtaIante said:

Explain yourself in detail

isn't asking for CV buffs not obvious enough as proof for a subpar player?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

7 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

isn't asking for CV buffs not obvious enough as proof for a subpar player?

It is but I wanted to give him the opportunity to redeem himself however I fully expected him to have nothing to say besides poorly thought out blurting of bad ideas with no background understanding of how the buffs he suggests will break the game. He expects me to explain to him why every single buff he listed is bad for the game and I won't because it is a big waste of time. It's so sad however that people like him who perform badly think their opinion matters on a topic which is highly sensitive to any dev input, which is already a broken concept we concluded since the beginning of the rework. 

 

It is obvious very much so and I can't wait for him to make his poll and be ridiculed for it and for him to feel unheard and misunderstood. Because that's exactly what will happen and he will deserve every second of that experience. 

[Lootboxer]

1 hour ago, black_falcon120 said:

WG is nerfing CVs hard, so it will probably have to give CVs a form of compensatory buff,

LOL.

 

But if you feel like this just stop playing CVs, if numbers will tank WG will "balance" according to spreadsheet popularity targets.

[black_falcon120]

1 hour ago, AtaIante said:

It is but I wanted to give him the opportunity to redeem himself however I fully expected him to have nothing to say besides poorly thought out blurting of bad ideas with no background understanding of how the buffs he suggests will break the game. He expects me to explain to him why every single buff he listed is bad for the game and I won't because it is a big waste of time. It's so sad however that people like him who perform badly think their opinion matters on a topic which is highly sensitive to any dev input, which is already a broken concept we concluded since the beginning of the rework. 

 

It is obvious very much so and I can't wait for him to make his poll and be ridiculed for it and for him to feel unheard and misunderstood. Because that's exactly what will happen and he will deserve every second of that experience. 

I mean that did happen in my last two CV threads, but I’m hopeful the announced nerfs will allow conversation which the black shoe navy (CV haters) previously shut down.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 hour ago, black_falcon120 said:

I mean that did happen in my last two CV threads, but I’m hopeful the announced nerfs will allow conversation which the black shoe navy (CV haters) previously shut down.

there are no nerfs coming. It's closed concept testing nothing more.

[BLUB__BLUB]

10 hours ago, black_falcon120 said:

WG is nerfing CVs hard, so it will probably have to give CVs a form of compensatory buff, so I'm trying to suggest a new one. I don't think all of them should be on the table, but I do think that I should ask the forum about these buffs.

I do not think spotting nerfs are affecting CVs negatively. And here is why:

I cannot count the times that I have just released the final torpedo load that will kill the ship,
when some BB at 20km distance BLAPS the ship or KS happens (KS = Kill Secure, if you do not know). 

 

Now, all those kills will be mine. It will increase CV-damage and kills. How is it a nerf? 

 

Maybe you'll say, it is a nerf because the CV can spot less for the team. Well. 

Spotting with CV doesn't give much XP, DDs get much more for that. So the CV will not miss it.
And CV-MM is mirrored, the other CV will also spot less, so it is not a disadvantage to the team. 
I do not see any (incoming...) nerf. AT ALL. 

 

 

[Head_has_Exploded]

On 11/27/2022 at 11:48 PM, black_falcon120 said:

@TheSaltyDragon

 

I'm drafting the poll, and I'm thinking of creating two polls in the thread, the first one to cover the obvious changes, and the second to cover more complex Changes, what do you think of the following? 

 

Poll 1:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

• Buff plane speed
• Buff plane health 
• increase aerial torpedo damagee
• Increase plane rocket damage
• Increase bomb damage
• Reduce the damage from flak 
• Weaken fighter planes. 
• Provide a damage reduction to AA from ships above the CV's tier 
• improve CV survivability
• Provide rocket assistance as standard to all carrier planes
•  

Poll 2: 

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• Add heat seeking capacity to rockets
• Give CVs their historic speed
• remove reserves entirely - no more managing reserves 
• Give CVs a droppable sonar buoy to assist team mates hunting subs
• Let CV planes passively spot subs
• none of the above. 

Do you think I'm missing anything? 

I miss loads in my CV's, hate em only because I am crap in them, stick to the langley only, now. Absolutely bugs the hell out of me when everyone wants the CV's help.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

18 minutes ago, Head_has_Exploded said:

I miss loads in my CV's, hate em only because I am crap in them, stick to the langley only, now. Absolutely bugs the hell out of me when everyone wants the CV's help.

why do you even care for ingame chat?? just do your own thing?

Do you think I help my teammates as per request? Most of their requests are so nonsensical that I wish I turned off ingame chat.

 

You know why I keep it on? Because I love the salt 🧂