General CV related discussions.

[Panocek]

10 hours ago, AtaIante said:

for the love of the playerbase please make your minimap bigger

You mean this rectangle preventing you to play4fun properly? 

[Fediuld]

Why every time taking the Atrocious for a spin, 1/3 of the team just suicides before I even finish the first patrol to spot the enemy deployment in the first 3 minutes? 

Twice tonight this happened in consecutive battles. 

 

With no other carrier have such issue pitting me with players who just throw the game away. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

stop making excuses. If you need 3 minutes for a scouting run then you are doing things wrong. The first thing you should do is strike the most vulnerable ship you spot and do it effectively as to discourage the enemy from getting into good positions. Your lack of early influence is enabling the enemy team.

 

You also played a single battle in auda. so hardly enough to make this judgement

[SurfaceFish]

Audacious rocket planes are not that slow compered to other T10 CV. You fly to a cap on the side, drop a fighter, then fly past central cap and take a strike on target near the opposite cap. You might even get 2 strikes during the scout run. Takes 1 more min compare to if you just focus attacking the 1st ship you see. 

 

Information wins games, spotting most of the red ships is worth the extra minute and few thousand more dmg for me. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

4 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

Audacious rocket planes are not that slow compered to other T10 CV. You fly to a cap on the side, drop a fighter, then fly past central cap and take a strike on target near the opposite cap. You might even get 2 strikes during the scout run. Takes 1 more min compare to if you just focus attacking the 1st ship you see. 

 

Information wins games, spotting most of the red ships is worth the extra minute and few thousand more dmg for me. 

no in my experience spotting to much leads to my team not to push because "Look so much red oh no help".

Strike fast and quickly. Spotting doesn't help anyone 

[SurfaceFish]

6 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

no in my experience spotting to much leads to my team not to push because "Look so much red oh no help".

Strike fast and quickly. Spotting doesn't help anyone 

I don't give a sh*t what random teammates does with the information I provided. I also do it for my self, to see which flank I should focus on, also if I need to move the hull if I'm close to weak flank. The extra 1 min don't matter to me that much. 

 

I don't mind if my team don't push too hard at the start. That means the red team is pushing close to my CV so takes less time to cycle attack. Let the red team yolo and die 1st. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

44 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

I don't give a sh*t what random teammates does with the information I provided. I also do it for my self, to see which flank I should focus on, also if I need to move the hull if I'm close to weak flank. The extra 1 min don't matter to me that much. 

 

I don't mind if my team don't push too hard at the start. That means the red team is pushing close to my CV so takes less time to cycle attack. Let the red team yolo and die 1st. 

well there is a reason for why your performance in CVs is mediocre

[SurfaceFish]

18 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

well there is a reason for why your performance in CVs is mediocre

 

Maybe, depending on how you quantify mediocre, 70% WR so far in solo CV this year is not too bad I think. I'm a decent player, so happy with "medicore". No one have to play the same way as you do, and you can't say your way is the only correct way to play.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, SurfaceFish said:

 

Maybe, depending on how you quantify mediocre, 70% WR so far in solo CV this year is not too bad I think. I'm a decent player, so happy with "medicore". No one have to play the same way as you do, and you can't say you way is the only correct way to play.

Im quite sure I can judge this quite well as I not only already tried what you do but deemed it a failed strategy as there are superior ones and I can prove it by my performance.

[SurfaceFish]

5 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

Im quite sure I can judge this quite well as I not only already tried what you do but deemed it a failed strategy as there are superior ones and I can prove it by my performance.

 

Cool, you play the way you do and I'll play how I want too. 

 

I prefer teamwork in CV and DD not win by max out dealing dmg. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, SurfaceFish said:

 

Cool, you play the way you do and I'll play how I want too. 

sure. You can do that. But I just think I should correct bad advice that is given out by you to other readers of this topic who want to get into CVs.

[Fediuld]

3 hours ago, AtaIante said:

stop making excuses. If you need 3 minutes for a scouting run then you are doing things wrong. The first thing you should do is strike the most vulnerable ship you spot and do it effectively as to discourage the enemy from getting into good positions. Your lack of early influence is enabling the enemy team.

 

You also played a single battle in auda. so hardly enough to make this judgement

 

Nothing is wrong to know how the enemies are deployed than flying blind all the battle. After all trying to charge the first enemy you see and is a 3 cruiser cluster makes no sense. You will lose all the planes doing 0 dmg. Also takes 1.5 minutes to scan the first cap and more towards the second on most maps. Only few maps are small enough to be done within 2 minutes.  

 

The problem is this specific ship having somehow really bad teams in random. Why don't I complain about ranked for example? Or all the other carriers I'm playing? 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, Fediuld said:

You will lose all the planes doing 0 dmg.

and by you saying this i can conclude that you have no idea how to play effectively.

 

You shorten the squad, strike the cruiser once, instantly recall.

3 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

Also takes 1.5 minutes to scan the first cap

another proof that you dont know how to manage boost efficiently. it takes at max 1min.

 

3 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

The problem is this specific ship having somehow really bad teams in random.

and here is you making excuses. This is the biggest hurdle holding you back.

By saying this you give power to the MM and giving up before the match started 

[Nov_A]

25 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

and by you saying this i can conclude that you have no idea how to play effectively.

 

You shorten the squad, strike the cruiser once, instantly recall.

another proof that you dont know how to manage boost efficiently. it takes at max 1min.

 

and here is you making excuses. This is the biggest hurdle holding you back.

By saying this you give power to the MM and giving up before the match started 

[SurfaceFish]

31 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

sure. You can do that. But I just think I should correct bad advice that is given out by you to other readers of this topic who want to get into CVs.

 

I guess you're like TopTier, winning game by max out dmg in short amount of time?

 

I like to play support roll in CV, spend time working on DD in cap and cruisers behind island. Some players can do support and damage at the same time. I'm not one of them. 

 

That's why I'm not a fan of soviet CV and FDR. If a CV can't handle DD, I don't like to play them. 

[Fediuld]

10 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

and by you saying this i can conclude that you have no idea how to play effectively.

 

You shorten the squad, strike the cruiser once, instantly recall.

another proof that you dont know how to manage boost efficiently. it takes at max 1min.

 

and here is you making excuses. This is the biggest hurdle holding you back.

By saying this you give power to the MM and giving up before the match started 

Here is a "typical" battle with Audacious in 3 first minutes. The battle was done after my previous post. 

As you see by the time the 2nd squadron is up, 3 are dead including 2 destroyers and only managed to hit the Smalland who took down almost 5 airplanes after the 6 airplanes were battered by the cruisers. (had drop 3 airplanes). 

 

As you see takes 1 minute just to spot the 3 near the cap. 2 minutes to get to the second cap. 

This is what is happening ONLY with the Audacious matchmaking. No other carrier. FYI the battle ended as 13:50 (6:10 into the battle). We had lost and I was the last ship left. 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

That's why I'm not a fan of soviet CV and FDR. If a CV can't handle DD, I don't like to play them. 

And its what I mostly do, my most played CV is Midway for a reason and yet I still find the time to get my damage done.

DDs die to me, I crush cruisers before they reach valuable positions too. It works once optimized. You can play for your team all you want but if your team is powerless then so are you.

 

Its better to be independent of ones team 

3 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

This is what is happening ONLY with the Audacious

Its just your way of coping and making excuses. I also sometimes have a bad matchup. But not all the time. Its wrong to claim so

[Yosha_AtaIante]

5 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

Here is a "typical" battle with Audacious in 3 first minutes. The battle was done after my previous post. 

As you see by the time the 2nd squadron is up, 3 are dead including 2 destroyers and only managed to hit the Smalland who took down almost 5 airplanes after the 6 airplanes were battered by the cruisers. (had drop 3 airplanes). 

 

As you see takes 1 minute just to spot the 3 near the cap. 2 minutes to get to the second cap. 

This is what is happening ONLY with the Audacious matchmaking. No other carrier. FYI the battle ended as 13:50 (6:10 into the battle). We had lost and I was the last ship left. 

 

btw even more sad on.your screenshots is that you after 2 min have yet to do dmg

[SurfaceFish]

40 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

another proof that you dont know how to manage boost efficiently. it takes at max 1min.

This is how I use boost

 

with rocket planes, let the boost bar regen all way to the top before using it. As it regens faster at towards the top. So it's better than constantly pressing the W key when the bar is only 1/3 full. 

 

With bombers and torpedo planes, boost to max speed,  then let the boost bar regen until your speed falls back to cruising speed. Then boost to max again. Rise and repeat will get you across the map in good time and with almost full boost bar remaining. 

 

The less time you spend in AA range, the less planes you lose, so having a full bar of boost is very important when starting your attack. 

[Fediuld]

5 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

btw even more sad on.your screenshots is that you after 2 min have yet to do dmg

Yeah. Takes 2 minute to get to the enemy and the squadron was taken down by the Smalland and the Stalingrad on the second cap allowing only 1 rocket to hit. Yet is my fault! 

 

Begone troll. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

4 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

Yeah. Takes 2 minute to get to the enemy and the squadron was taken down by the Smalland and the Stalingrad on the second cap allowing only 1 rocket to hit. Yet is my fault! 

 

Begone troll. 

it is your fault. The way you describe it and then seeing your performance, not even 1k PR on auda says it all.

 

5 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

 

with rocket planes, let the boost bar regen all way to the top before using it. As it regens faster at towards the top. So it's better than constantly pressing the W key when the bar is only 1/3 full. 

change it to using boost fully, then half of it, keep full boost before striking, use full boost while in the attack run and right after press F on the first rocket run

 

 

For other squads boost max speed, then let planes drop 20kts and boost back to full speed, keep half of your boost always full and use it always on attack runs

[SurfaceFish]

6 minutes ago, AtaIante said:

it is your fault. The way you describe it and then seeing your performance, not even 1k PR on auda says it all.

 

change it to using boost fully, then half of it, keep full boost before striking, use full boost while in the attack run and right after press F on the first rocket run

 

 

For other squads boost max speed, then let planes drop 20kts and boost back to full speed, keep half of your boost always full and use it always on attack runs

Cool thanks, will try it out, I need to play the Midway more, I really don't like her torpedo planes, you can't move much once you picked a line of attack. Only good for slow BB and cruiser next to island. I build my commander skill into her bomber, also got the unique upgrade for her. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, SurfaceFish said:

Cool, will try out, I need to play the Midway more, I really don't like her torpedo planes, you can't move much once you picked a line of attack. Only good for slow BB and cruiser next to island. I build my commander skill into her bomber, also got the unique upgrade for her. 

thats the right way to build her.

The torpedo bombers can be maneuvered once reticle is fully closed and green by mouse movement similar to FDR. Practice it in training rooms first. You can catch many cruisers and BBs off guard

[Panocek]

57 minutes ago, SurfaceFish said:

I prefer teamwork in CV and DD not win by max out dealing dmg. 

Teamwork? In randoms? Thats a bold claim 

[SurfaceFish]

4 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Teamwork? In randoms? Thats a bold claim 

A man can dream!