General CV related discussions.

[arquata2019_]

Proprio ora, The_Angry_Admiral ha scritto:

The point I've been trying to make is that the scenarios and arguments seem to be phrased in such a way as to give the CV an advantage, BB with 1% HP, or the CV will win just because it's a CV so we ignore everything that could have happened before the end of the battle.

A CV is able to ignore AA already, if a ship is alone, so that might explain it ;)

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

So if it is hanging between a BB and a CV... well yes.

This is what we are talking about. So again we agree. 

[Nibenay78]

4 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

The point I've been trying to make is that the scenarios and arguments seem to be phrased in such a way as to give the CV an advantage, BB with 1% HP, or the CV will win just because it's a CV so we ignore everything that could have happened before the end of the battle.

CV generally has the advantage unless the game is over or the CV has yoloed to his death...

 

so it's not so hard to phrase this.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

11 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

The point I've been trying to make is that the scenarios and arguments seem to be phrased in such a way as to give the CV an advantage, BB with 1% HP, or the CV will win just because it's a CV so we ignore everything that could have happened before the end of the battle.

Nope. The point you have been trying to make so far failed on all accounts due to your own 'phrased' scenarios, exaggerations, wrong assumptions, cherry picked examples and straight out falsehoods. You latching onto this little nugget emphases the void you left behind earlier. ^^

[Captain_Breeze]

15 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

CV generally has the advantage unless the game is over or the CV has yoloed to his death...

 

so it's not so hard to phrase this.

You're wasting your time. He wont listen to logic. It's his way or no way. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

12 minutes ago, arquata2019 said:

@RuruushuVuiBuritania

@Europizza is this good?

look at the potential damage :))
yes, that's a secondary build, but don't worry it was fine

the image (2.7mill tanked)

 

Thats pretty awesome man ^^

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 minutes ago, Europizza said:

This is what we are talking about. So again we agree. 

Yes we do. We both know what CVs are like... 

But you'll probably agree that this will be the case when the other CV is driven by people like you-know-who... 

Usually it is the two CVs that remain, everything else already killed off...

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Just now, BLUB__BLUB said:

Yes we do. We both know what CVs are like... 

But you'll probably agree that this will be the case when the other CV is driven by people like you-know-who... 

Usually it is the two CVs that remain, everything else already killed off...

 

Ofc I agree. ^^

[The_Angry_Admiral]

7 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

Well, CVs are the best spotting class in the game, one of the faster classes on average in the game, with tankiness behind only to battleships and supercruisers. You know, other surface ships actually have to try in order to kill a CV. When a good CV player can deal with you as easily as turning one's hand.

Oh they are the best spotters by a mile but that still resides in the limitations of the game itself. BB's have the strongest guns but that doesn't mean they can shoot everything all in one go. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

3 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Nope. The point you have been trying to make so far failed on all accounts due to your own 'phrased' scenarios, exaggerations, wrong assumptions, cherry picked examples and straight out falsehoods. You latching onto this little nugget emphases the void you left behind earlier. ^^

It has not failed it's been spot on actually.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 minute ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Oh they are the best spotters by a mile but that still resides in the limitations of the game itself. BB's have the strongest guns but that doesn't mean they can shoot everything all in one go. 

Except carriers can spot everything in one go at round start which 'resides in the limitations of the game itself' but is still horsecrap for game dynamics ^^

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

3 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Oh they are the best spotters by a mile but that still resides in the limitations of the game itself. BB's have the strongest guns but that doesn't mean they can shoot everything all in one go. 

Funny you should mention BBs, since CVs can basically drop an average BB salvo anywhere on the map in every single separate attack flight. If the CV player is skilled enough and does not like eating flak as much as he enjoys licking windows.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

9 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

CV generally has the advantage unless the game is over or the CV has yoloed to his death...

 

so it's not so hard to phrase this.

Explain that advantage then? 

 

Don't say spot because a CV can't spot the entire map all at once. 

 

Don't say damage because you don't know how many or what planes are left as you don't know what has happened during the battle. 

 

Don't say armour because that just fails all around. 

 

So what's left? You are assuming the CV is always going to be in the optimal position.

[Nibenay78]

Just now, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Oh they are the best spotters by a mile but that still resides in the limitations of the game itself. BB's have the strongest guns but that doesn't mean they can shoot everything all in one go. 

Best spotters in the game

Best survivability in the game

Highest winrate ceiling in the game

Most of them can deal with any of the 3 surface ships with reasonable ease, only a few exceptions might be difficult for mr average

(and even myself being mr average CV player can still piss on Minotaur/DM/Halland when alone)

Immune to their own class for practical purposes

Immune to fire and floods for practical purposes (really immersion breaking)

Semi-guided ammunition 99% of the way.

No detonation like all others

 

They have a few advantages.

 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, Europizza said:

Except carriers can spot everything in one go at round start which 'resides in the limitations of the game itself' but is still horsecrap for game dynamics ^^

Now you are moving the goalposts. Also at the start yes you can spot because most ships will all be close together. See how you have to change things to justify your arguments?

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, Nibenay78 said:

Best spotters in the game

Best survivability in the game

Highest winrate ceiling in the game

Most of them can deal with any of the 3 surface ships with reasonable ease, only a few exceptions might be difficult for mr average

(and even myself being mr average CV player can still piss on Minotaur/DM/Halland when alone)

Immune to their own class for practical purposes

Immune to fire and floods for practical purposes (really immersion breaking)

Semi-guided ammunition 99% of the way.

No detonation like all others

 

They have a few advantages.

 

All in a vacuum mate.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

9 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

It has not failed it's been spot on actually.

Yeah, but no. Oneliners like this never got you anywhere but in trouble. You haven't adressed anything in our previous conversation by engaging in valid arguments instead of unconnected generalizations and cherrypicked, or what was it again, phrased, examples. White rooms and fancy japanese sports don't carry any weight and are actually borderline off topic. I think we are done here ^^

[Nibenay78]

25 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Explain that advantage then? 

 

Don't say spot because a CV can't spot the entire map all at once. 

Not instantanously, but good enough to ruin any stealth or surprise attacks for most ships. If they are blipped every 30 seconds or whatnot, everyone knows their general position. Which can be a massively useful information late game. Does not include the actual spotting which can keep an entire flank spotted most of the time.

 

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Don't say damage because you don't know how many or what planes are left as you don't know what has happened during the battle. 

Just like you don't know how many AA mounts are left during the battle

 

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Don't say armour because that just fails all around. 

Really? there are CVs which you basically have to hit the tower because all other parts are generally immune to DD fire.

I have personally once had an experience where I fired twice on a fleeing tier X CV while playing Montana. Two salvos of 12 shells, each salvo landed 7 shells at over 20km. All 14 shells bounced.

edit: this incident happened first 2 minutes of the game. The CV fled to the corner unharmed.

 

They have decent armor for a ship that should not be in artillery range.

 

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So what's left? You are assuming the CV is always going to be in the optimal position.

Just like other ships are not in optimal position either. But the CV has at least 10 minutes to autopilot around on the map if he wants to find a decent position.

[Nibenay78]

5 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

All in a vacuum mate.

Which of these do you deny as a class advantage ingame?

 

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

25 minutes ago, arquata2019 said:

@RuruushuVuiBuritania

@Europizza is this good?

look at the potential damage :))
yes, that's a secondary build, but don't worry it was fine

the image (2.7mill tanked)

 

Bloody damn great (even in a Skypiggy) 

[Panocek]

[Nibenay78]

Just now, BLUB__BLUB said:

Bloody damn great (even in a Skypiggy) 

Report 

 

No praising any kind of CV!

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Report 

 

No praising any kind of CV!

Boaaarffff I have zero karma anyway and perma chatban. 

[Bear__Necessities]

12 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Don't say armour because that just fails all around. 

Ohhh Really.

 

 

[arquata2019_]

19 minuti fa, Europizza ha scritto:

Thats pretty awesome man ^^

a very old screen, may of 2021 XD