General CV related discussions.

[Procrastes]

I love learning new words and expressions! 

 

32 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

surprise MoFo Halland...

- I wish I could have that one as a spoken quick message on my Halland! 

 

32 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

LOL-torp all game...

- loved the book, can't wait to see the movie! 

 

26 minutes ago, Pukovnik7 said:

DESTROYERS...

....have a laundry list of duties longer than your arm

- oh yeah, this is so familiar! 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 hour ago, principat121 said:

You have neither the experience nor the quality of gameplay to have a judgement in this matter.

Actually I do and I already did.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

37 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Not really, it is sort of "inversed". 

 

In the end, if a BB has 1% HP, he still can shoot all his guns and do full damage. 

If the CV has 100% HP but no (or not enough...) planes he can just.. well... maybe go ram something. 

Yes he can still spot (if he is handy...) but he'll need teammates to do the damage, then.

If a 1% HP battleship fires even one gun (or nothing when he's spotted miles away by that single bomber) he's dead next. Sent to port. If a carrier has bled out on planes, he will be able to spot and wait until he has 2 or 3 planes to send off to a target. If it's low on HP he has a good chance to kill it without being sent to port himself. That is how it is reversed too. ^^

 

If a BB has 1% HP left and no more heals, and the carrier has 1 plane and no more heals, guess who's got the upper hand within a minute?

[The_Angry_Admiral]

3 hours ago, Pukovnik7 said:

And then you still can't do anything about it because any CV player with half a brain will have found an island to hide behind

The only way this would work is if the BB, DD, or Cruiser didn't know he had a W key and kept the island between himself and you.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

2 minutes ago, Europizza said:

If a 1% HP battleship fires even one gun (or nothiong when he's spotted miles away by that single bomber) he's dead next. Sent to port. If a carrier has bled out on planes, he will be able to spot and wait until he has 2 or 3 planes to send off to a target. If it's low on HP he has a good chance to kill it without being sent to port himself. That is how it is reversed too. ^^

 

If a BB has 1% HP left and no more heals, and the carrier has zero planes and no more heals, guess who's got the upper hand within a minute?

See the scenarios that people come up with? So let's assume the BB has 1% hp and no heals left. Sure this can happen but it seems like for the claim to be justified certain circumstances must be in place. What happens if that one plane can't find that BB before it gets it's guns on the CV? Are we going to say that BB is all the way in the back corner hanging over the edge of the map before he starts to go looking for that CV? DD's aren't always the easiest to hit with torp and skip bomb planes. There are so many ifs and maybes. 

[arquata2019_]

9 minuti fa, The_Angry_Admiral ha scritto:

Actually I do and I already did.

I have 65% solo WR on Midway in randoms, over 600+ battles, so i guess i have some experience on CVs in general.
Yeah, nope. If you get spot in a CV and know how to actually maneuver or position, you're going to be 100% fine,

 

5 minuti fa, The_Angry_Admiral ha scritto:

The only way this would work is if the BB, DD, or Cruiser didn't know he had a W key and kept the island between himself and you.

nope.

i sometimes use islands in my CVs, i simply go openwater

CVs are simply the most dangerous class in any match, when they're present, that is.

even a tier 8 CV can easily obliterate a Des Moines, if the CV player is actually good

[Captain_Breeze]

2 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

What happens if that one plane can't find that BB before it gets it's guns on the CV?

If the CV can't find the BB, he is an idiot.

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, Europizza said:

If a 1% HP battleship fires even one gun (or nothiong when he's spotted miles away by that single bomber) he's dead next. Sent to port.

Not if there is nothing left that can shoot him... 

 

Just now, Europizza said:

If a carrier has bled out on planes, he will be able to spot and wait until he has 2 or 3 planes to send off to a target. If it's low on HP he has a good chance to kill it without being sent to port himself. That is how it is reversed too. ^^

If he has time. And if he has teammates to do the dirty job. 

 

Just now, Europizza said:

If a BB has 1% HP left and no more heals, and the carrier has zero planes and no more heals, guess who's got the upper hand within a minute?

Depends at lot on how the rest of the game was.

 

If that BB spots that CV. Also that CV has to regenerate enough planes to kill him. 

I has that situation, I had to kill the BB else they'd win. Could not do it. 

He could not kill me, so if we had been ahead we'd have won. 

However in that situation I had to go close and kill him before time ran out, he almost managed to blap me as well.

 

But yes, usually the CV will win. Depending on what he has to do. 

Sometimes though, he cannot. For example when behing on points and only one cap... CV is not allmighty.

Spoiler

 

 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

2 minutes ago, arquata2019 said:

I have 65% solo WR on Midway in randoms, over 600+ battles, so i guess i have some experience on CVs in general.
Yeah, nope. If you get spot in a CV and know how to actually maneuver or position, you're going to be 100% fine,

 

nope.

i sometimes use islands in my CVs, i simply go openwater

CVs are simply the most dangerous class in any match, when they're present, that is.

even a tier 8 CV can easily obliterate a Des Moines, if the CV player is actually good

Why did you use a Des Moines in your example?

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, Captain_Breeze said:

If the CV can't find the BB, he is an idiot.

Why? You think CV planes can cover the whole map in seconds?

[arquata2019_]

1 minuto fa, The_Angry_Admiral ha scritto:

Why did you use a Des Moines in your example?

Random AA cruiser people usually think of

It can be a Salem, a Wooster, or even a Petropavlovsk (where it basically eats every single torp). It can also be a DD (Lexington/Enty killing an Halland, for example)

If the CV player is actually decent, it's able to do quite a lot of things.

[Captain_Breeze]

2 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Why did you use a Des Moines in your example?

At this rate you'll have more posts than battles. Making you more experienced in talking , than playing this game, oh wait, you are  at this game. 

[Captain_Breeze]

1 minute ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Why? You think CV planes can cover the whole map in seconds?

The minimap, are you for real?

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

5 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

But yes, usually the CV will win.

Which is what usually matters ^^

[BLUB__BLUB]

32 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

I love learning new words and expressions! 

Join BBMM, we invent them. Latest one: BLAPpanesed = When you citadel-smack a Japanese ship.
BLAPpanese twins: double kill on Japanese ships... 

 

32 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

- I wish I could have that one as a spoken quick message on my Halland! 

Should be possible... 

 

32 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

- loved the book, can't wait to see the movie! 

Look below... that isn't even the worst of it yet. Games are meant to be fun. 

So I always try to do my best (even if I am the fun police sometimes).

Spoiler

 

 

32 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

- oh yeah, this is so familiar! 

I'm not down with DDs yet, but I guess I will have to start... someday...

[The_Angry_Admiral]

2 minutes ago, arquata2019 said:

Random AA cruiser people usually think of

It can be a Salem, a Wooster, or even a Petropavlovsk (where it basically eats every single torp). It can also be a DD (Lexington/Enty killing an Halland, for example)

If the CV player is actually decent, it's able to do quite a lot of things.

A CV is not some drug lord's speedboat you find out of Miami Florida. A cruiser will catch up to you and depending on the island could hit you over the island if it has a high gun arc. A lot of what if's and could be's there.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

4 minutes ago, Captain_Breeze said:

The minimap, are you for real?

 

What does the mini map have to do with it? You still have to spot it. 

[arquata2019_]

Proprio ora, The_Angry_Admiral ha scritto:

A CV is not some drug lord's speedboat you find out of Miami Florida. A cruiser will catch up to you and depending on the island could hit you over the island if it has a high gun arc. A lot of what if's and could be's there.

Exactly, but that's very rare to see, if the enemy CV has a brain, and if the enemy ship has one, too. If the surface ship overexstends she's misplaying, if the CV player is being fired at and it's still early match, that's clearly misplaying.

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 minute ago, Europizza said:

Which is what usually matters ^^

...but can only be done if the other team have already sort of FF-ed it up, and they ALSO had a CV. 

So if it is hanging between a BB and a CV... well yes. But same thing would probably happen between a DD and a BB.

He can just stealth-torp him (or one-shot him if he is 1HP), or take all the caps. Not much the BB can do about it.

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

4 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

A CV is not some drug lord's speedboat you find out of Miami Florida. A cruiser will catch up to you and depending on the island could hit you over the island if it has a high gun arc. A lot of what if's and could be's there.

Well, CVs are the best spotting class in the game, one of the faster classes on average in the game, with tankiness behind only to battleships and supercruisers. You know, other surface ships actually have to try in order to kill a CV. When a good CV player can deal with you as easily as turning one's hand.

[Captain_Breeze]

Just now, The_Angry_Admiral said:

What does the mini map have to do with it? You still have to spot it. 

You said find it. Well, you dont need to fly to it to know where it is. It's a bb, it can't be too far from the last known position.

 

If you need to find something, that means that you don't know where it is.

 

 

[arquata2019_]

1 minuto fa, RuruushuVuiBuritania ha scritto:

with tankiness behind only to battleships and supercruisers

Are you sure?
:)

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

11 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

See the scenarios that people come up with? So let's assume the BB has 1% hp and no heals left. Sure this can happen but it seems like for the claim to be justified certain circumstances must be in place. What happens if that one plane can't find that BB before it gets it's guns on the CV? Are we going to say that BB is all the way in the back corner hanging over the edge of the map before he starts to go looking for that CV? DD's aren't always the easiest to hit with torp and skip bomb planes. There are so many ifs and maybes. 

This was a direct answer to BLUB's forced example you are leeching off now and has nothing to do with 'scenarios people come up with' that you've been trying to showcase so far. You have plenty of arguments remaining from our previous conversation to adress directly.

[arquata2019_]

@RuruushuVuiBuritania

@Europizza is this good?

look at the potential damage :))
yes, that's a secondary build, but don't worry it was fine

the image (2.7mill tanked)

 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

6 minutes ago, arquata2019 said:

Exactly, but that's very rare to see, if the enemy CV has a brain, and if the enemy ship has one, too. If the surface ship overexstends she's misplaying, if the CV player is being fired at and it's still early match, that's clearly misplaying.

The point I've been trying to make is that the scenarios and arguments seem to be phrased in such a way as to give the CV an advantage, BB with 1% HP, or the CV will win just because it's a CV so we ignore everything that could have happened before the end of the battle.