General CV related discussions.

[Nik_K]

1 hour ago, Bear__Necessities said:

That's neither here or there....

 

I was hitting uncium CV numbers post rework in 0.8.5 after just 100 games. Across T6/8 at that point. So they ARE an easy to learn class. So are subs incidentally 

Please answer to each of my issues individually and tell me how they have anything to do with experience.

 

and what makes your experiences more valid than others for the record... Why should someone who hasn't been willing to put in more effort than others be able to dare question their opinion in such a dismissive manner? 

 

why does game amount played suddendly equal to having lesser life? Because that's what You Are insinuating. 

Not insinuating anything, i am crystal clear about it and i even proved it with numbers....
When someone can spend hours and hours playing this game EVERY SINGLE DAY he has no life outside, N U M B E R S don't lie (for example look at my stats, i am not an Ace player, again, numbers don't lie).
And of course feel free to change my opinion by actually arguing how someone can spend 5+ hours per day on this game alone and still have a valid life outside of it.
Still my issue is not with the NEETS of this game, they exist everywhere (you know something is real when they actually describe it with specific words), my issue is with the nerfing of CVs which as you can see even people who hate them admit to.
Now that you don't want to answer to each of my arguments, well if you are so certain that player ability is to blame for all that should be a breeze for you.

[Nik_K]

1 hour ago, Europizza said:

What is funny is that the elephant in the room has been sitting in the porcelain cabinet for years now, and a giraffe just entered the room to see if we can fit it inthere too ^^

What's funny is when comparing the pinned 1000+ pages carrier complaints pages and the pinned DD complaint thread, o wait. There isn't one. Yes we are at 1000 pages long already when combined with the previous 2. 

What is funny is only starting to doubt the development team after the countless necessary nerfs to carriers which made them even more boring to play, and not seriously doubting their sanity releasing that crap intop the game 3 years ago in the first place ^^

Actually no. I'm saying carriers are not fun to play as well. I'm decent in them, I find playing them repetetive, shallow and spammy. Because their gameplay is repetetive, shallow and spammy by design.

Strange that it's been sitting in the cabinet as you say yet WG instead of fixing it only makes it worse (you know, like they "fixed" it because people were whining? So here people are not whining about all the nerfs and so WG just is fine with them?).

[Aethervoxx]

Rails? Anyone seen the train rails, lately? I see a train wreck up ahead. & 'what's' with this 'sadism' side spur? 

[Bear__Necessities]

23 minutes ago, Nik_K said:

When someone can spend hours and hours playing this game EVERY SINGLE DAY he has no life outside

You're just a [edited] aren't you. Don't even care if I get a warning for saying this and what follows. I play this game to unwind after long [edited]days, usually spent looking after people who really need it. Some of them even die. So I like to click and play the pointy shooty boat game with friends online to forget that I watched someone slowly waste away to many a horrible disease that you can take a pick on. And heaven forbid that I decided to try get a little good at the game to understand it better.

 

Go [edited]yourself. [edited]hypocrite. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 minutes ago, Nik_K said:

Strange that it's been sitting in the cabinet as you say yet WG instead of fixing it only makes it worse (you know, like they "fixed" it because people were whining? So here people are not whining about all the nerfs and so WG just is fine with them?).

It's not that strange once you recognise how dysfunctional Lesta's design and producers team has been these last years. ^^

 

The carriers were broken, rushed and stupid at 0.8.0. WG has been trying to fix their doodoo by adressing damage output mostly for 3 years now, which is made them even more boring to play which I didnt think was possible. Lesta basically pulled carriers fangs and replaced them by blunt dentures. A class, that could have been a glorious specialized strategic unit, became a DOT spamming amoebe aimed at the lowest possible denominator.

 

Still capable of ruining gameplay mind you, by casually spotting half the map as a side product to sniping and harssing their preferred targets that are actually engaged in pvp fights, enforcing the rest of the surface ships to blob up (often mistakenly referred to as 'teamplay') while sitting in a stupid little corner of the map or behind an island. Yep, the glorious solution against island camping and static gameplay, is island camping itself. 

 

The funny thing is, some people think that is perfectly fine gamedesign lol.

[Nik_K]

42 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

You're just a [edited] aren't you. Don't even care if I get a warning for saying this and what follows. I play this game to unwind after long [edited]days, usually spent looking after people who really need it. Some of them even die. So I like to click and play the pointy shooty boat game with friends online to forget that I watched someone slowly waste away to many a horrible disease that you can take a pick on. And heaven forbid that I decided to try get a little good at the game to understand it better.

 

Go [edited]yourself. [edited]hypocrite. 

You confuse LIFE outside this game with WORK....Try again, you may get it with, who knows, the thousand time.

[Nik_K]

28 minutes ago, Europizza said:

It's not that strange once you recognise how dysfunctional Lesta's design and producers team has been these last years. ^^

 

The carriers were broken, rushed and stupid at 0.8.0. WG has been trying to fix their doodoo by adressing damage output mostly for 3 years now, which is made them even more boring to play which I didnt think was possible. Lesta basically pulled carriers fangs and replaced them by blunt dentures. A class, that could have been a glorious specialized strategic unit, became a DOT spamming amoebe aimed at the lowest possible denominator.

 

Still capable of ruining gameplay mind you, by casually spotting half the map as a side product to sniping and harssing their preferred targets that are actually engaged in pvp fights, enforcing the rest of the surface ships to blob up (often mistakenly referred to as 'teamplay') while sitting in a stupid little corner of the map or behind an island. Yep, the glorious solution against island camping and static gameplay, is island camping itself. 

 

The funny thing is, some people think that is perfectly fine gamedesign lol.

All types of ships have something OP, BBs have range, DDs have torps, Cruisers have elevation, CVs have....Well spotting as you said yourself, i see nothing else OP.....if a ship comes even 15km away from them they are toast....So yes WG should fix this, there are people out there who have spend money on CVs and are now forced to have them but not use them.....And every year things are getting worse just for CVs so i don't know what they are thinking.

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, Europizza said:

@BLUB_BLUB, if Gasha_nai can't pull it off, you certainly cant ^^

Probably not, but it doesn't stop me trying... 

(and yes that last one was a double kill)

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

[El2aZeR]

2 hours ago, Nik_K said:

my issue is with the nerfing of CVs which as you can see even people who hate them admit to

 

Again, none of the nerfs have had much impact on CV viability. Your inability to perform in them is your own fault.

[Nik_K]

19 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Again, none of the nerfs have had much impact on CV viability. Your inability to perform in them is your own fault.

So everyone who doesn't like the nerfs is just a bad player. Again i have no issue with NEETS, it seems you however have an issue with everyone else (perhaps you should all have that checked with professionals).

PS: Seriously now, if you don't see all the problems with CVs NEET or not you should have it checked.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, Nik_K said:

All types of ships have something OP, BBs have range, DDs have torps, Cruisers have elevation, CVs have....Well spotting as you said yourself, i see nothing else OP.....if a ship comes even 15km away from them they are toast....So yes WG should fix this, there are people out there who have spend money on CVs and are now forced to have them but not use them.....And every year things are getting worse just for CVs so i don't know what they are thinking.

I'm didn't say carriers are OP. They were totally OP at 0.8.0, stupidly broken and stupidly strong. Hence all the nerfs

Wait... Did you just say carriers are bad?

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O my god, please save me  

[Nik_K]

7 minutes ago, Europizza said:

I'm didn't say carriers are OP. They were totally OP at 0.8.0, stupidly broken and stupidly strong. Hence all the nerfs

Wait... Did you just say carriers are bad?

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O my god, please save me  

They are broken because many people whined, bad or not it depends on how you see it. If you have a carrier with torps as its primary attack tool then i guess it's "fine" but other than that, no. There are even carriers in the game without torpedo planes, those clearly suck.

And then you have AA which has become way too powerful. Now i do understand BB AA being powerful and all (more total area, more AA guns) but even DDs have stupidly high AA damage so you can't even get close to those. Detection range is also an issue, having to be 4km away from a Cruiser and 2km away from a DD means that they can turn their AA guns when you are well within their range and wipe out the entire squadron. Having to guess where ships are going (BBs and Cruisers are not a problem but DDs?) to shoot your rockets is another problem. Torpedo speed even maxed out is another problem.

The list is endless, so are carriers bad? To you they may not be, to me they are and the above is proof of that (again, whoever doesn't admit facts should have themselves checked).

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

9 minutes ago, Nik_K said:

They are broken because many people whined, bad or not it depends on how you see it. If you have a carrier with torps as its primary attack tool then i guess it's "fine" but other than that, no. There are even carriers in the game without torpedo planes, those clearly suck.

And then you have AA which has become way too powerful. Now i do understand BB AA being powerful and all (more total area, more AA guns) but even DDs have stupidly high AA damage so you can't even get close to those. Detection range is also an issue, having to be 4km away from a Cruiser and 2km away from a DD means that they can turn their AA guns when you are well within their range and wipe out the entire squadron. Having to guess where ships are going (BBs and Cruisers are not a problem but DDs?) to shoot your rockets is another problem. Torpedo speed even maxed out is another problem.

The list is endless, so are carriers bad? To you they may not be, to me they are and the above is proof of that (again, whoever doesn't admit facts should have themselves checked).

O god. I didn't realize. You think carriers are broken like in underperforming and AA is way too powerful?

 

 

How about you L2P perhaps? <---- Fact. 

[Nik_K]

11 minutes ago, Europizza said:

O god. I didn't realize. You think carriers are broken like in underperforming and AA is way too powerful?

 

 

How about you L2P perhaps? <---- Fact. 

Amazing arguments, i just love how none of you address anything specific, you just say "ITS PLAYERS FAULT".....Hahahahaahaha, OMG, the level of stupidity is stuggering.....

Just so you know, the "It's the players fault" doesn't fly with me. You want to produce some valid counter-arguments sure, if not well you can't be taken seriously, sorry.

[Chaoskraehe]

Vor 58 Minuten, Nik_K sagte:

And then you have AA which has become way too powerful.

You know that you are supposed to dodge that angry, black clouds. Do you?

[SV_Kompresor]

40 minutes ago, Nik_K said:

Amazing arguments, i just love how none of you address anything specific, you just say "ITS PLAYERS FAULT".....Hahahahaahaha, OMG, the level of stupidity is stuggering.....

Just so you know, the "It's the players fault" doesn't fly with me. You want to produce some valid counter-arguments sure, if not well you can't be taken seriously, sorry.

If you want people to take you seriously you might want to try not insulting them. So far you haven't really said anything that made sense for anyone that is actually good at the game. But you just insult those people because of your own insecurities.

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, Nik_K said:

So everyone who doesn't like the nerfs is just a bad player.

 

No. Everyone who is unable to perform and blames inconsequential nerfs for it is a bad player.

[Nik_K]

33 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

If you want people to take you seriously you might want to try not insulting them. So far you haven't really said anything that made sense for anyone that is actually good at the game. But you just insult those people because of your own insecurities.

Nah, all i see is plenty of NEETS who basically tell people that they should be playing this game 5+ hours per day in order to become very good at it and if they can't, well, it's their fault.

At the same time those same players may however do very well with other types of ships but doesn't matter, CV playing is different.

Again, i provided specific arguments that nobody seems to want to touch or even comment on, that speaks volumes about the state of CVs right now

PS: Most of the people who say CVs are good are mostly playing Cruisers, BBs and DDs (in that order), wonder why that is.

[Nik_K]

13 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

No. Everyone who is unable to perform and blames inconsequential nerfs for it is a bad player.

Ah, again with the "general" comment. Feel free to argue the things i mentioned, you know, based on logic.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, Nik_K said:

Amazing arguments, i just love how none of you address anything specific, you just say "ITS PLAYERS FAULT".....Hahahahaahaha, OMG, the level of stupidity is stuggering.....

Just so you know, the "It's the players fault" doesn't fly with me. You want to produce some valid counter-arguments sure, if not well you can't be taken seriously, sorry.

Thats funny because my argument is for you to actually learn to play carriers. To have counter arguments require arguments from you in the first place, you have none, let alone 'facts'.

 

But I'll indulge your litle whine. Here we go: AA instantly whiping out your squadrons = being unable to dodge flak: player issue. Ask around. Carriers without torpedo bombers suck = you are unable to effectively use bombers, rockets and skipbombers. HE and AP bombs are crazy good. Rockets need a lead these days instead of easy noob mode, L2P. Skipbombers are the new rockets: powerful and easy to use effectively. DDs having crazy high AA damage wut? If you get deplaned by a DD, you are chasing the wrong DD. Git gud. Cruisers with 4 km air detection range? Exaggerated nonsense. All DDs having 2 km detection range? BS. Not a single one has that. Torpedo speed even maxed out what? Gibberish.

 

Yup, DDs are hard to hit with rockets these days for most players, so what. Spot them, harass then, torp them, HE bomb them, skipbomb them. Will a poor carrier player be very succesfull against a good DD player? No. Nor should he be. Again, git gud and stop blaming your inexperience on carrier nerfs and stop insulting people who would be happy to help you if you werent so abrasive and presenting player issues as balancing arguments or exaggerations as 'facts'. 

[Kazomir]

Carrier plane spotting needs to be burned to the ground. Plane pilots are not able to provide firing solutions to ships on ground. They are only able to relay the ship's general position. 

 

If a ship is spotted only by planes and no ships, It should appear on the map and as a vague slowly updating silhouette, like what subs see when they use their sonar underwater while there is a ship on top of them. Alternatively, have them fully shown but unable to be locked onto, with a sign saying Spotted by plane that appears when looking at it, much like while looking at a submerged submarine you cannot damage with guns. 

 

What does this change intend? To reduce carrier oppressiveness against cruisers, and DDs.  Currently the class that is most fucked up from carrier plane spotting are the cruisers, which generally have bad air concealment and can be spotted from outside their AA Range (which is dumb AF). The cruiser class in general is dead or on life support because of this, the only cruisers you still see often are russian ones, because lol armor, and supercruisers. Playstyle for the rest of the cruiser population is island hugging, which is the only way of not getting lol-citadeled by a BB from outside your firing range.

 

Most games I go into have only 1-2 Cruisers per team, which is in stark contrast to the game's original design of cruisers being the bread and butter of a team.  

 

This change also brings the spotting role to DDs (and subs nowadays) where it has always belonged. A CV In a game removes one of the DDs' main sources of usefulness to their team, namely spotting for other surface ships, and the associated income that it brings. 

 

This nerf will not reduce a CV Player's fun of playing the game, while greatly reducing the fun they remove from other players. 

 

Breathing some life back to cruisers will also check the increased popularity of DDs. 

[SV_Kompresor]

1 hour ago, Nik_K said:

Nah, all i see is plenty of NEETS who basically tell people that they should be playing this game 5+ hours per day in order to become very good at it and if they can't, well, it's their fault.

At the same time those same players may however do very well with other types of ships but doesn't matter, CV playing is different

Like I said. Insults because of your own insecurities.

 

1 hour ago, Nik_K said:

Again, i provided specific arguments that nobody seems to want to touch or even comment on, that speaks volumes about the state of CVs right now

Just about all of those arguments are due to lack of skill and not much else.

 

1 hour ago, Nik_K said:

PS: Most of the people who say CVs are good are mostly playing Cruisers, BBs and DDs (in that order), wonder why that is.

You also had one of the best CV mains in the game tell you that CVs are strong so.....I don't get your point.

[Nik_K]

2 hours ago, Europizza said:

Thats funny because my argument is for you to actually learn to play carriers. To have counter arguments require arguments from you in the first place, you have none, let alone 'facts'.

 

But I'll indulge your litle whine. Here we go: AA instantly whiping out your squadrons = being unable to dodge flak: player issue. Ask around. Carriers without torpedo bombers suck = you are unable to effectively use bombers, rockets and skipbombers. HE and AP bombs are crazy good. Rockets need a lead these days instead of easy noob mode, L2P. Skipbombers are the new rockets: powerful and easy to use effectively. DDs having crazy high AA damage wut? If you get deplaned by a DD, you are chasing the wrong DD. Git gud. Cruisers with 4 km air detection range? Exaggerated nonsense. All DDs having 2 km detection range? BS. Not a single one has that. Torpedo speed even maxed out what? Gibberish.

 

Yup, DDs are hard to hit with rockets these days for most players, so what. Spot them, harass then, torp them, HE bomb them, skipbomb them. Will a poor carrier player be very succesfull against a good DD player? No. Nor should he be. Again, git gud and stop blaming your inexperience on carrier nerfs and stop insulting people who would be happy to help you if you werent so abrasive and presenting player issues as balancing arguments or exaggerations as 'facts'. 

Able to Dodge Flak while targeting a ship....Ridiculous on its face, unless your recommendation is to just run around avoiding flak and doing nothing else.
Bombers need to get over a target and guess what, YOU CAN'T AVOID FLAK FROM 1-2km away, let alone right over a target. Again, no solution here. (not to mention that british carriers don't have skip bombers).
So i need to chase specific DDs because some have OP AA....Amazing recommendation, so when i am next to one (yeah, 2km detectability is a thing, i can get a picture or a vid if you don't believe me but i am sure you know this already - never said ALL do, even 2.5 or 3km changes nothing, you still can't turn your aircraft around fast enough) i should do what? Run away? 6km range AA has so even if i do that nothing will change.
Torpedo speed even maxed out (you know, Carrier and Captain upgrades/perks) is still LESS than what a DD can do. In what reality did DDs have higher speeds than aerial torps? Also why do DD torps arm immediately but aircraft torps are delayed?
You can't torp a DD, as things stand by the time you get low enough and target your torps the DD is no longer where you are targeting (not to mention some just turn towards you cause they know torps need arming distance).
A noob DD player can outperform an experienced (not gonna say Ace) CV player, you all know this is a fact.
Also noone but WG can "help"...These are CV issues, you can't "help" with them. Would be the same if WG tomorrow reduced firing distance of ships to HALF and DOUBLED their detectability range and i came here and acted almighty by trying to help people.
Ridiculous on its face.

[Nik_K]

44 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Like I said. Insults because of your own insecurities.

 

Just about all of those arguments are due to lack of skill and not much else.

 

You also had one of the best CV mains in the game tell you that CVs are strong so.....I don't get your point.

You call them insults, numbers call them facts. I can teach you math if you'd like (numbers don't lie).
That's what you all say but i don't see 1 thing that proves that. Recommendations are just silly, it's like saying i have a flat tire but instead of replacing it i am going to fix it for as long as it lasts. Nothing concrete and nothing solid, all workarounds at best.
It's a matter of opinion, never said they are not strong (some are), i said they are nerfed to the ground because of countless whiners.
Total damage in each battle is not what i care about, making them less frustrating is.

[SV_Kompresor]

53 minutes ago, Nik_K said:

You call them insults, numbers call them facts. I can teach you math if you'd like (numbers don't lie).

What numbers exactly? What are you even blabbering about at this point?

 

 

53 minutes ago, Nik_K said:

they are nerfed to the ground because of countless whiners.

They may have been nerfed (deservingly so because they truly needed it), but that doesn't change the fact that they are still by far the most influential class in a battle.