General CV related discussions.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Just now, SV_Kompresor said:

Um....no. It's a guaranteed spot. If a plane enters the AA spotting range it spots the ship with a 100% certainty.

 

They don't magically decrease their RNG chance of being detected. By turning off their AA, they prevent the AA from blooming their AA detection range. Same thing that other ships do by not firing their main guns.

You got a dev or game mechanic quote that states it's an auto spot? 

[SV_Kompresor]

Just now, The_Angry_Admiral said:

You got a dev or game mechanic quote that states it's an auto spot? 

Do you have a quote that says that it's not?

 

Go and test it. AA detection mechanic is identical to ship detection one in every way except for it not having a delay to go undetected after firing your AA guns.

[Aethervoxx]

 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Do you have a quote that says that it's not?

 

Go and test it. AA detection mechanic is identical to ship detection one in every way except for it not having a delay to go undetected after firing your AA guns.

LOL!!!!!!!!

 

Oh it's that kind of response. The burden of proof is on you mate and if you can't show it then we are done. 

[SV_Kompresor]

Just now, The_Angry_Admiral said:

The burden of proof is on you mate and if you can't show it then we are done. 

It's really not no. You're the one that made the claim that ships don't always get spotted when you fly over them. You made the claim first. So prove it.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

38 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Planes don't auto spot so I don't know what you've been smoking but you might want to get your money back. 

planes do spot..... you just have to be withing the ships air detection range

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Mmmmm I don't think you know as much about the game as you say you do if this is your response. 

It's pretty simple actually.

 

If a DD has AA on, the ship gets detected as soon as the AA of the ship starts firing at planes within it's AA range. Because of that DDs with AA on will get detected at their max AA range. Turning AA off prevents this from happening at which point the DD can only be detected by the planes when they fly into it's air detection range, which can vary from approx. 2,5 km and up depending on the ship.

 

It's impossible to fly into a DDs air detection range and not spot it unless it is hiding in smoke or visually hidden by hard cover like islands. So when you claim you are flying over DDs without spotting the DD, you are most likely not flying over the DD, but outside of it's air detection range.

 

[Bear__Necessities]

@The_Angry_Admiral If ships are spotted. They are IN spotting range. If ships are not spotted, they are OUT of spotting range.... So yes, planes auto spot if within the air detection range and line of sight of a ship. ANY ship at that. Unless that ship is in smoke. Or a sub at max depth. Or a type of plane that does not have the spotting mechanic such as ASW planes and Dutch Air Strike planes.

 

It's not rocket science. I suggest you go back and read up on the basic mechanics. Here's a link to help you Removed*. https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Detection#Example

 

 

 

 

[lovelacebeer]

If this particular discussion is trolling then it’s comedy gold, if it’s serious then I weep for humanity. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

If this particular discussion is trolling then it’s comedy gold, if it’s serious then I weep for humanity. 

90% of the time it is. the other 10% is what I'm here for

[The_Angry_Admiral]

5 hours ago, SV_Kompresor said:

It's really not no. You're the one that made the claim that ships don't always get spotted when you fly over them. You made the claim first. So prove it.

I don't need to prove anything. I asked you for a dev or mechanics quote around CV planes spotting and you couldn't give it to me. You auto lose an argument when all you have to say is prove it isn't.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

4 hours ago, Europizza said:

It's pretty simple actually.

 

If a DD has AA on, the ship gets detected as soon as the AA of the ship starts firing at planes within it's AA range. Because of that DDs with AA on will get detected at their max AA range. Turning AA off prevents this from happening at which point the DD can only be detected by the planes when they fly into it's air detection range, which can vary from approx. 2,5 km and up depending on the ship.

 

It's impossible to fly into a DDs air detection range and not spot it unless it is hiding in smoke or visually hidden by hard cover like islands. So when you claim you are flying over DDs without spotting the DD, you are most likely not flying over the DD, but outside of it's air detection range.

 

Show me how it's impossible.

[WWDragon]

12 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Show me how it's impossible.

Its impossible, I know were the reinforcement  V-170 spawns in Killer Whale and even with such a small air detection I will spot it when I fly over it ... before I drop fighters over it because good luck hitting that thing with that detection range without it firing the guns without something spotting it.

 

If you enter their air detection range, you will spot then ... problem being they have small detection ranges and you end up right on top of then with then going the opposite direction turning or smoke up before you can set up for a attack run.

 

BTW V-170 Air Detectability Range is 2.35 km.

[Aethervoxx]

 

To get back on topic - reworked CVs are horrid & the sooner Wedgie returns the RTS CVs to play the faster this game will return to being 'good' again (but, ofc, Wedgie won't). 

[SV_Kompresor]

8 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I don't need to prove anything. I asked you for a dev or mechanics quote around CV planes spotting and you couldn't give it to me. You auto lose an argument when all you have to say is prove it isn't.

And I don't have to prove anything either when you're the one making claims (not until you provide some proof anyway, at which point I'll go and do the same). And I actually could give you the video showing the spotting mechanic, but since it takes about 10 seconds to actually find it, it just means you're too lazy to do it yourself so I'm not even gonna bother. Just go and google wows concealment. The first wg video that pops up is likely to be the one.

 

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

the sooner Wedgie returns the RTS CVs to play the faster this game will return to being 'good' again

I disagree.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

8 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Show me how it's impossible.

A video has been already posted. It might be that we are misunderstanding what you try to say? 

 

So just to make sure. 

 

Do you claim planes can't spot a DD while they fly directly over the DDs air detectability while it is not in smoke? 

[BLUB__BLUB]

9 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I don't need to prove anything. I asked you for a dev or mechanics quote around CV planes spotting and you couldn't give it to me. You auto lose an argument when all you have to say is prove it isn't.

Some people with thousands of games told you exactly how it is. 

You, with less than a thousand, keep telling it is not. You pull the snowflake move.

I think you should go into politics. 

[CptBarney]

I wonder whos alt account that is.

[Lootboxer]

4 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

I wonder whos alt account that is.

Me too, all usual suspects are left in the dust.

[Camperdown]

9 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I don't need to prove anything. I asked you for a dev or mechanics quote around CV planes spotting and you couldn't give it to me. You auto lose an argument when all you have to say is prove it isn't.

Honest question: do you ever try to listen to someone? Or are you just argumentative out of principle?

How is your relationship counseling going?

[1MajorKoenig]

23 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

I wonder whos alt account that is.

Heyho Barney - what are you doing here? You wait for Yorktown?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

10 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Show me how it's impossible.

Nah, I'm just here helping someone who apparantly doesn't understand a fairly simple game mechanic and who is clearly frustrated by that. I suggest you load up a training room, place some static DD's that do not agrro and fly over them with your carrier planes and keep trying until you can show us an instance where an visually unblocked DD is not detected while flying within it's air detection range. Have fun ^^

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Have fun in that training room ^^

[Bear__Necessities]

4 hours ago, SV_Kompresor said:

And I actually could give you the video showing the spotting mechanic

I already linked the page. But he has chosen to bypass it...

 

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

You can't seem to help yourself when following the rules of the forums 

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I don't know what kind of specialness you think you possess

OK another one for the "ignored and never seen again" list.... 

I'll also add him in the game and will remember to prioritise him when he's on the reds...