General CV related discussions.

[Samyuel]

 They buffed GraF Zeppelin ! youhooouuu!!!!! and also T8 and T10 german cvs but Finally a Graf Zeppelin buff !!!!!
And  token nerf to FDR

[Nibenay78]

6 minutes ago, Samyuel said:

 They buffed GraF Zeppelin ! youhooouuu!!!!! and also T8 and T10 german cvs but Finally a Graf Zeppelin buff !!!!!
And  token nerf to FDR

And how is any CV buff good..? More effective at griefing?

[One_Eye_Potato]

1 hour ago, Nibenay78 said:

Dont let these details overshadow how fun it is to play this griefing class... and that WG will never change it again. 

It's fun for one or two individual players out of twelve, as for the rest, it's just a frustating experience.  Can't you understand how bad for the game that is?  Not only is it not fun, but it's financially detrimental as it pushes other players away just for a short term gain.  The fact that Wargaming seem to be adding more gimmicks, on a more frequent basis, to an obviously already unbalanced game suggests to me that their strategies aren't working as well as they'd hoped and are reaping diminishing returns.  Thinking about it, this must be the case because they are monetising absolutely everything and this (amongst other reasons) was the cause of the recent mass CC exodus.  I love the game in it's basic form, but the direction Wargaming has chosen to take is pushing me away too.

[Nibenay78]

6 minutes ago, One_Eye_Potato said:

It's fun for one or two individual players out of twelve, as for the rest, it's just a frustating experience.  Can't you understand how bad for the game that is?  Not only is it not fun, but it's financially detrimental as it pushes other players away just for a short term gain.  The fact that Wargaming seem to be adding more gimmicks, on a more frequent basis and to an obviously already unbalanced game suggests to me that their strategies aren't working as well as they'd hoped and are reaping diminishing returns.  Thinking about it, this must be the case because they are monetising absolutely everything and this, amongst other reasons, was the cause of the recent mass CC exodus.  I love the game in it's basic form, but the direction Wargaming has chosen to take is pushing me away too.

We all know this, except for a few select users on the forum who seem to think it fits perfectly.

I can only agree with you, but rest assured that WG will ignore everything you said, just like they ignored the other 1000 pages of what most of us said...

[One_Eye_Potato]

5 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

We all know this, except for a few select users on the forum who seem to think it fits perfectly.

I can only agree with you, but rest assured that WG will ignore everything you said, just like they ignored the other 1000 pages of what most of us said...

I know that and I know how they operate.  They just seem to be like common crooks to me.  However, it doesn't stop me from having an opionion and voicing it as such.

[Nibenay78]

Just now, One_Eye_Potato said:

I know that and I know how they operate.  They seem like crooks to me.  However, it doesn't stop me from having an opionion and voicing it as such.

Not voicing it doesn't do anything, so i also agree. I played this game since 2016 and had about 5 forum posts when the rework hit, despite checking by at least once a week. 

[BLUB__BLUB]

9 hours ago, gopher31 said:

The point of course is that you are not doing this in a vacuum.

No, the thing is that I assume that YOU (the CV) are supposed to kill him.

 

9 hours ago, gopher31 said:

Try this against a Marceau who has no other ships with him and he will laugh at you.

If he has no other ships, then he's screwed. Might take a while but I'll get him, in the end.

They are difficult though, as they are quite fast - and you need to gamble all the time where they are. 

If it is a good player, that DD might become a problem. 

But: 

 

 

9 hours ago, gopher31 said:

Catch a shima, spotting him for your DD who is then shooting as you then lock him on course with torps and it works beautifully.

I think he meant, YOU have to kill him. NOT get him killed by your team. 

[One_Eye_Potato]

4 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Not voicing it doesn't do anything, so i also agree. I played this game since 2016 and had about 5 forum posts when the rework hit, despite checking by at least once a week.

I can assure you I've been here in one shape or another for a long time too and you're not telling me anything I don't already know.  Wargaming are the only gaming company I know that have suceeded in making their games worse over time instead of the other way around. 

[One_Eye_Potato]

.... and it's true what people say, "They're a vindictive bunch" and remind me of kids in the playground.

[Nibenay78]

1 hour ago, One_Eye_Potato said:

I can assure you I've been here in one shape or another for a long time too and you're not telling me anything I don't already know.  Wargaming are the only gaming company I know that have suceeded in making their games worse over time instead of the other way around. 

I install wot every christmas just for fun. After trying my best an evening or two, its quickly uninstalled and I play fantasy general instead...

[One_Eye_Potato]

 

3 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

I install wot every christmas just for fun. After trying my best an evening or two, its quickly uninstalled and I play fantasy general instead... 

Yes, I'm looking forward to Diablo 2 Ressurected and that's for sure, it's a far more balanced and polished game than World of Warships and it's joke carriers.

[Samyuel]

6 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

And how is any CV buff good..? More effective at griefing?

Buffing ships that strugle To be effective is a good thing, may they be CVs, dds or any other classes that's what balancing means.

 

For grieving stuff I dont Know you should ask the anti-CV crowd, they are the one sending death threats, reporting players, etc.

[Nibenay78]

4 minutes ago, Samyuel said:

Buffing ships that strugle To be effective is a good thing, may they be CVs, dds or any other classes that's what balancing means.

 

For grieving stuff I dont Know you should ask the anti-CV crowd, they are the one sending death threats, reporting players, etc.

Since when did CVs struggle to have a massive battle influence?

 

Even WG with their funky spreeadsheets admitted this...

[Samyuel]

8 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Since when did CVs struggle to have a massive battle influence?

Battle influence is a lot of things and CVs Are not the only ships having a big influence during the battle.

You might think every CV is an Enterprise but they are not.

[Nibenay78]

7 minutes ago, Samyuel said:

Battle influence is a lot of things and CVs Are not the only ships having a big influence during the battle.

You might think every CV is an Enterprise but they are not.

They already have way enough. Maybe all should be buffed to Enterprise levels, just to be sure?

[Samyuel]

4 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

They already have way enough. Maybe all should be buffed to Enterprise levels, just to be sure?

yeah sure, whatever.

[One_Eye_Potato]

45 minutes ago, Samyuel said:

Buffing ships that strugle To be effective is a good thing, may they be CVs, dds or any other classes that's what balancing means.

 

For grieving stuff I dont Know you should ask the anti-CV crowd, they are the one sending death threats, reporting players, etc.

As far as I can telll the general consensus amongst most right minded Players, Community Contributers, Wargaming Staff and even Moderators on this forum is that the Carrier Rework is at least unbalanced and at worst totally broken.

 

Where as what I think what you're trying to say is, 'the problem lies with the rest of game and that carriers are perfect as they are' and your answer to solving all of the these issues would be be to 'buff the entire game around the Carrier'.

 

Maybe you should get a job at Wargaming, are you sure you're not on the board?  

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1 hour ago, Samyuel said:

Buffing ships that strugle To be effective is a good thing, may they be CVs, dds or any other classes that's what balancing means.

It's not CVs that struggle... it's potato players IN CVs that manage to struggle even in a class that can be utterly devastating in the hands of even slightly above average skilled players.

Considering your stats you should maybe rather call for buffs to DDs, as compared to what you manage to achieve in CVs in DDs you seem rather potatoish... if one can judge that after the few battles you played in DDs...

[Samyuel]

1 hour ago, One_Eye_Potato said:

As far as I can telll the general consensus amongst most right minded Players, Community Contributers, Wargaming Staff and even Moderators on this forum is that the Carrier Rework is at least unbalanced and at worst totally broken.

 

Where as what I think what you're trying to say is, 'the problem lies with the rest of game and that carriers are perfect as they are' and your answer to solving all of the these issues would be be to 'buff the entire game around the Carrier'.

 

Maybe you should get a job at Wargaming, are you sure you're not on the board?  

If carriers in general were broken as you say more of those unicum Here would play british CVs and german CVs. Yet most barely touch them because they have access to way better ships.

 

Neerfing those over performing CVs to a more correct level and look on how to buff the underperforming ships without breaking the balance is what I am trying to say. You should reread instead of inventing thoughts.

[Samyuel]

26 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

It's not CVs that struggle... it's potato players IN CVs that manage to struggle even in a class that can be utterly devastating in the hands of even slightly above average skilled players.

Considering your stats you should maybe rather call for buffs to DDs, as compared to what you manage to achieve in CVs in DDs you seem rather potatoish... if one can judge that after the few battles you played in DDs...

If you were reading a minimum honestly what I wrote I never asked for a buff to all CVs or said I that I struggled myself but my stats should show it if you looked at it properly instead of trying to find something to shame me about.

 

As for my dds stat yes they are bad because I dont Play dds, it's not a style that interest me and those stats are ghost of the French dd event were I actually tried to unlock them and rest them. I do t plan to play more or get better but if it give you matte rto criticise me sure have fun.

[One_Eye_Potato]

10 minutes ago, Samyuel said:

If carriers in general were broken as you say more of those unicum Here would play british CVs and german CVs. Yet most barely touch them because they have access to way better ships.

 

Neerfing those over performing CVs to a more correct level and look on how to buff the underperforming ships without breaking the balance is what I am trying to say. You should reread instead of inventing thoughts.

With the greatest respect, I'm struggling with your arguements, as they don't seem make any sense to me and forgive me if I'm wrong, but English doesn't seem to be your first language.  Maybe you should choose, another forum with a language closer to your own, as I'm sure they will have a sticky there linked with the disputed Carrier Rework.    

[Deckeru_Maiku]

4 minutes ago, Samyuel said:

If you were reading a minimum honestly what I wrote I never asked for a buff to all CVs or said I that I struggled myself but my stats should show it if you looked at it properly instead of trying to find something to shame me about.

 

As for my dds stat yes they are bad because I dont Play dds, it's not a style that interest me and those stats are ghost of the French dd event were I actually tried to unlock them and rest them. I do t plan to play more or get better but if it give you matte rto criticise me sure have fun.

Well, it seemed you creamed your pants about a buff for the Graf Zipperlein... so it seems you thought a buff was needed... who knows how you would react when any other CV would get buffed...

And all those DD battles made sure that you know everything what one has to know about DDs, as " When the DD mafia tells you that the problem in the game is CVs... " (which you wrote in a different thread) proves.

So, sorry for taking you for a CV apologist with a deranged view of DDs...

[Samyuel]

8 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Well, it seemed you creamed your pants about a buff for the Graf Zipperlein... so it seems you thought a buff was needed... who knows how you would react when any other CV would get buffed...

And all those DD battles made sure that you know everything what one has to know about DDs, as " When the DD mafia tells you that the problem in the game is CVs... " (which you wrote in a different thread) proves.

So, sorry for taking you for a CV apologist with a deranged view of DDs...

Well some would cream their pants over a Zao buff or any other ship that most feel week so what's your point ? 

If the buff is needed I will rejoice if it's not I will get over it. May be I should start shrieking like some other peoples whenever things I dont like buffed.

And for the quatatikn you did it's better to keep it in thecontext of the original post if you want to be honest.

[Samyuel]

1 hour ago, One_Eye_Potato said:

With the greatest respect, I'm struggling with your arguements, as they don't seem make any sense to me and forgive me if I'm wrong, but English doesn't seem to be your first language.  Maybe you should choose, another forum with a language closer to your own, as I'm sure they will have a sticky there linked with the disputed Carrier Rework.    

Well if You are a native english speaker you sjouldnt really strugle to understand even broken english. May be it's just a lack of effort due to the fact that you dont like what wwe are talking about but I will try to improve.

 

In simple wording

Nerf Overperforming stuff

Buff underperforming stuff

May you like what is buffed/needed or not

[One_Eye_Potato]

1 hour ago, Samyuel said:

If carriers in general were broken as you say more of those unicum Here would play british CVs and german CVs. Yet most barely touch them because they have access to way better ships.

 

Neerfing those over performing CVs to a more correct level and look on how to buff the underperforming ships without breaking the balance is what I am trying to say. You should reread instead of inventing thoughts.

My arguement is not with any specific carrier it's with the whole CV rework and the negative impact it has had on the game and it's playerbase.   I'm horrified at the idea that you would be so selfish, that you would want an entire game to be altered to suit your needs.  If you had read my initial post, my words are not only representative of myself, but also reflect thousands of other players, the majority of which, didn't want carriers in the first place.  This brings me to another contentious issue, which is that Wargaming doesn't listen to or care about it's own playerbase; which is another reason for the recent publicity disaster involving LIttle White Mouse and the en masse walk out of a large proportion of Wargamings own Community Contributors.

46 minutes ago, Samyuel said:

Well if You are a native english speaker you sjouldnt really strugle to understand even broken english. May be it's just a lack of effort due to the fact that you dont like what wwe are talking about but I will try to improve.

I am not only struggling to decipher your arguements, but I'm also failing to see the logic behind them.  It's becoming increasingly apparent this is because there is none and you're becoming quite boring.  If you could please explain how Carriers are good for the game in anyway, rather than saying everything else should be 'buffed' to match their overbearing presence then I might be more tolerant.