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[Puffin_]

Enterprise player spotting enemy Destroyers

 

 

[Nibenay78]

1 hour ago, qtback said:

maybe i have my point of view about winning ))

I suppose its like one game i had where a near 40% wr player started yelling at a above 60% wr player after a short discussion of gameplay.

 

"You unicum players just camp and farm damage and dont play to win!!"

 

Okay....

[qtback]

26 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

I suppose its like one game i had where a near 40% wr player started yelling at a above 60% wr player after a short discussion of gameplay.

 

"You unicum players just camp and farm damage and dont play to win!!"

 

Okay....

well, kampers also happen ))))

 

 

[Nibenay78]

11 minutes ago, qtback said:

well, kampers also happen ))))

 

 

Now if my memory serves me right, all 3 of us was on the weak flank, and the unicum guy camped like a pro, made them suffer for every meter they moved up and every hitpoint he lost, while keeping himself alive to prevent a push.

 

We won and he did amazingly well defending himself and his side - just by camping...

[qtback]

6 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Now if my memory serves me right, all 3 of us was on the weak flank, and the unicum guy camped like a pro, made them suffer for every meter they moved up and every hitpoint he lost, while keeping himself alive to prevent a push.

 

We won and he did amazingly well defending himself and his side - just by camping...

that leads us to divide campers to those who work out and those who just spams, so what?

[AndyHill]

I think the point was that there was a person who knows nothing about how to win battles telling someone who does that he gets his awesome winrate by not trying to win.

[Nibenay78]

9 minutes ago, AndyHill said:

I think the point was that there was a person who knows nothing about how to win battles telling someone who does that he gets his awesome winrate by not trying to win.

The irony of the sentence was amazing indeed.

 

Another point was that camping can be a not just valid, but required tactic to win.

 

Randomly tagging @Beastofwar

[redraven]

5 hours ago, qtback said:

CV whine.

Oh booohuuu are you crying because you cant oneshot-instakill anything and everything with a single unstopable run?
You have to actually aim? The enemy has audacity to avoid your attacks? Oh the horror! The humanity!
How about: Git Gud!

[qtback]

1 hour ago, Nibenay78 said:

Another point was that camping can be a not just valid, but required tactic to win.

 

but sometimes :D  just cought.

 

hope u can see minimap.

[AndyHill]

But how can there be camping in a carrier game?

[Aixin]

Vor 2 Stunden, qtback sagte:

 

but sometimes :D  just cought.

 

hope u can see minimap.

Minimap is to small :)

[Capra76]

4 hours ago, qtback said:

 

but sometimes :D  just cought.

 

hope u can see minimap.

 

 

Not sure what your point is.

 

 

2 hours ago, Aixin said:

Minimap is to small :)

 

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

9 ore fa, 159Hunter ha scritto:

So you play this game to pad your dmg stats and not to win.

Good to know.

with players like we have recently, winning a game doesn't depend on you, when you loose 4 DDs in first 3mn... i go drink a tea and wait for next one 

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

6 ore fa, Nibenay78 ha scritto:

Now if my memory serves me right, all 3 of us was on the weak flank, and the unicum guy camped like a pro, made them suffer for every meter they moved up and every hitpoint he lost, while keeping himself alive to prevent a push.

 

We won and he did amazingly well defending himself and his side - just by camping...

tactical retreat AKA kiting, it makes wonders 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

10 hours ago, qtback said:

also it means that i cant get statistics and game is also not fun any more,

 

Ah.. so no longer stat-padding? Yeah, that is a viable reason for a whine... boohoo... can't go after the low-HP easy DD targets anymore and have to go after targets with (a bit more) AA and see my planes go poof because flak...

 

9 hours ago, qtback said:

it think best way now is to ignore spotting dd-s, that will make them to change something.

 

Yes please... would be fab if all CV players stop spottind DDs. Wouldn't bother me a bit. It's not that they would have done it before on purpose... it always was only a sideproduct of attacking DDs with rockets..

 

On the other hand it's [edited]hilarious now to see CVs still going after my DDs with rockets or - even funnier - with torpedoes...

[Nibenay78]

17 minutes ago, AxisMarine said:

tactical retreat AKA kiting, it makes wonders 

It can be real good, but not in a 5 vs 1 situation in (i think) he had a DM.

It also doesn't stop a push in any way.

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

10 minuti fa, Nibenay78 ha scritto:

It can be real good, but not in a 5 vs 1 situation in (i think) he had a DM.

It also doesn't stop a push in any way.

Yep, 1vs5 is quite desperate. It allows you to gain some time for the team while, as you said, doing damage to the pushing enemy. I think it is the best tactic for the weaker flank in almost all cases. Of course you have situations where you might do differently, and not always I manage to understand if there is this possibility. 

[Nibenay78]

3 minutes ago, AxisMarine said:

Yep, 1vs5 is quite desperate. It allows you to gain some time for the team while, as you said, doing damage to the pushing enemy. I think it is the best tactic for the weaker flank in almost all cases. Of course you have situations where you might do differently, and not always I manage to understand if there is this possibility. 

The main issue is that people who retreat head towards the other flank, so THEY end up being flanked by the pushers :P

 

retreat should either go straight away or towards the same map border flank if possible.

 

now if a CEEEVEEEE is around, both camping alone and retreating alone is a quick death also.

[Pikkozoikum]

1 hour ago, AxisMarine said:

with players like we have recently, winning a game doesn't depend on you, when you loose 4 DDs in first 3mn... i go drink a tea and wait for next one 

You never know... Maybe the enemy is so bad, that they throw the game. I had once a match, where 1 bb in our team remained and the enemy had 2 DDs and point advantage. Then one DD moves towards the BB, gets spotted and BB kills DD. Then second DD moves towards BB, gets spottted and BB destroys that DD as well.

[Pukovnik7]

9 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

Now if my memory serves me right, all 3 of us was on the weak flank, and the unicum guy camped like a pro, made them suffer for every meter they moved up and every hitpoint he lost, while keeping himself alive to prevent a push.

 

We won and he did amazingly well defending himself and his side - just by camping...

Except that is not camping...

1 hour ago, Pikkozoikum said:

You never know... Maybe the enemy is so bad, that they throw the game. I had once a match, where 1 bb in our team remained and the enemy had 2 DDs and point advantage. Then one DD moves towards the BB, gets spotted and BB kills DD. Then second DD moves towards BB, gets spottted and BB destroys that DD as well.

I have had such games a couple of times. Secondary build German BB FTW. Though I suspect at least one of those might have been the player simply miscalculating a turn and ending up inside the spotting range.

[Pikkozoikum]

4 hours ago, Pukovnik7 said:

I have had such games a couple of times. Secondary build German BB FTW. Though I suspect at least one of those might have been the player simply miscalculating a turn and ending up inside the spotting range.

In that case, I think both DDs wanted to go very close for the torps for some reason .... xD
I mean they actively moved towards the BB, and even if 1d does a mistake, no idea why the second DD came up with the same idea

[Pukovnik7]

2 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

In that case, I think both DDs wanted to go very close for the torps for some reason .... xD
I mean they actively moved towards the BB, and even if 1d does a mistake, no idea why the second DD came up with the same idea

Frustration? I mean, in that particular case - when I killed a DD in the open ocean, so it is not like he got squeezed against an island or something - it happened only after I evaded several torpedo salvoes. He probably wanted to get as close as possible to stop missing. Not sure about the other DD, but I think it might have been the same case.

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

9 ore fa, Pikkozoikum ha scritto:

You never know... Maybe the enemy is so bad, that they throw the game. I had once a match, where 1 bb in our team remained and the enemy had 2 DDs and point advantage. Then one DD moves towards the BB, gets spotted and BB kills DD. Then second DD moves towards BB, gets spottted and BB destroys that DD as well.

that is also true, happened few times to me too... well never give up  

 

[Nibenay78]

11 hours ago, Pukovnik7 said:

Except that is not camping...

I have had such games a couple of times. Secondary build German BB FTW. Though I suspect at least one of those might have been the player simply miscalculating a turn and ending up inside the spotting range.

I would define it as such. Camping simply means sticking in the same area without moving much. Camping at chokepoints or near the frontline is useful. Camping in non essential areas or at 20km away is not so useful...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camping_(video_games)

 

I'm sure everyone has their idea what camping means though, but my experience is that if you are not moving, you'll be called a camper.

 

[Pukovnik7]

30 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

I would define it as such. Camping simply means sticking in the same area without moving much. Camping at chokepoints or near the frontline is useful. Camping in non essential areas or at 20km away is not so useful...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camping_(video_games)

 

I'm sure everyone has their idea what camping means though, but my experience is that if you are not moving, you'll be called a camper.

 

Camping to me means not moving for much of the game. When I push forward with destroyers, I find that I have to scoot from island to island, in response to changing tactical situation - be it to open my own lines of fire, block those of enemy battleships, respond to (either kill or evade) enemy destroyers, help out or tank for my destroyers, set up a crossfire with a friendly battleship, and so on. A battleship that defends does not need to move as much, because enemies are coming to him, but he still needs to respond to enemy moves. Camping in such conditions is rare - a battleship that camps at an island will quickly find that he has been rendered irrelevant by the changing tactical situation, or else outflanked and destroyed. Of course, a battleship that camps at the J-line has rendered himself irrelevant from the get-go, so island camping is still a superior option... still, from what I have seen, island camping is mainly a provinence of cruisers, as unlike battleships they do not block their own lines of fire by doing so - a cruiser has much more pronounced firing arcs and so she can afford to simply shoot over the island.

 

But what you described is not what I would call camping, simply because we don't know what he was doing rest of the game. If he had a good firing position with cover, of course he will use it...