General CV related discussions.

[Pukovnik7]

3 hours ago, Europizza said:

Cool. And since post rework all AA is weak except for 2 or 3 ships, we can assume almost no one has fun now? 

Something like that, yes.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

20 minutes ago, Pukovnik7 said:

Something like that, yes.

Is it different from 2 years ago? 

[Prophecy82]

1 hour ago, COMRADE_2019 said:

even when they are potato they can permaspot you like its nothing so you would die cuz of the spotting of the cv does so it doesnt really matters if cv is a potato or not

In the moment of truth the real potato ignores the DD completely.

[Nibenay78]

10 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

In the moment of truth the real potato ignores the DD completely.

It's always great when you're DD, trying to do something useful and the Enterprise is on you all the time.

...while your own Implacable flies into the blob, trying to bomb some tier X BB.

 

it's going to be a boring battle!

[Pukovnik7]

57 minutes ago, Yosha_nai said:

Is it different from 2 years ago? 

I do not know. I was not playing then. I started some five to six years ago, quit and had several years of pause.

[Nov_A]

Memes.

 

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[AraAra_My_Ass_Is_Blasted]

So, when is Wg gonna ban CVs in CW? It's not like they are killing the game or anything huh?

 

WHAT A JOY having an FDR carrying the game alone with litteraly no counters at all, what are the motherfuckers at wargaming thinking letting pussy CVs kill the game with their stupid [edited]class made for the absolute [edited]?

 

I have enough of this [edited]

 

The game is fun when the [edited] with their CVs aren't un your game. They [edited]hit like a shikishima citadel, allo????????

[KillStealBoss]

9 minutes ago, CVs_are_retarded_players said:

what are the motherfuckers at wargaming thinking letting pussy CVs

Dude you are in forum watch your language.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

52 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Dude you are in forum watch your language.

I think he did.

[Nibenay78]

2 hours ago, Europizza said:

I think he did.

I agree with him :D

[BLUB__BLUB]

16 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

I agree with him :D

I do as well, and I have FDR... yes it is sick filth. 

But hey, if you don't do it to them first, they'll do it to you. 

[Pikkozoikum]

8 hours ago, Nov_A said:

Memes.

 

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A german CV, where are the memes

[TheFrili]

I really wanted just voice my disgust towards the planes in this game, i wish WG would reevaluate their poistion and stopped pushing planes in this game. I will probably stop playing this game, just as i stopped playing WOT when WG introduced nonsense tanks and mechanics.

I can not understand why are they ruining the game with planes when the 80-90% of the players do not want them. If they want to alienate the players it is their choice, but i invested a lot of time and money into this game and it feels like a waste of time now. Last few weeks i noticed that i need to wait between games, so i keep playing. I just do not enjoy it anymore. The players skills dropped lately a lot and the constant yolo tactics and always present CV-s just ruining the game.

 

I can not describe it other ways, just as it feels like somebody is slowly steeling away my fun in this game. And to be honest, after my bitter experience with WOT and now with WOWS i doubt i will trust WG any more with any game. They start great, do a good job for a few years, and then just must ruin it. 

 

And now even planning to introduce submarines... this game will be a pile of scrap soon and it makes me really sad, becouse i loved to play this game.

[Capra76]

1 hour ago, TheFrili said:

I can not understand why are they ruining the game with planes when the 80-90% of the players do not want them.

 

Internal politics.

 

WG spent a lot of time and money on the rework, they don't want to admit to the shareholders that it was wasted, thus they try to keep CV numbers high enough to give the illusion that it was a success.

[WWDragon]

1 hour ago, Capra76 said:

 

Internal politics.

 

WG spent a lot of time and money on the rework, they don't want to admit to the shareholders that it was wasted, thus they try to keep CV numbers high enough to give the illusion that it was a success.

 

Except ...

 

Wargaming Group Limited is a private company with 64% owned by the founder Victor Kislyi and 25.5% by Vladimir Kislyi ( Victor Kislyi's father), you are giving way too much importance to one of the many products made by one of several companies that are under their ownership, that being Lesta Studio. World of Tanks is pretty much their flagship title that is developed by Wargaming Minsk, that being the original studio from were Wargaming started.

 

Let me put this way, Wargaming doesnt care about World of Warships in remotely the same way it does World of Tanks ... the Carrier Rework was a attempt at making the class more popular because the game designed from the start with the idea of air attacks, remove CVs is not a option because that would throw away a lot of intended gameplay balance and everything would became even more "World of Staying at the Backline and Snipe", the way they gone around doing that is debatable as despite claims there is "90% of the playerbase agrees" on this.

 

[AndyHill]

WoWS is one of the biggest and most profitable games for WG. The plane game kind of survives, tanks and ships make money and afaik the rest of the games pretty much come and go without much fanfare. 

 

As for balancing; the game is far more balanced without than with carriers and there are zero balancing reasons to have them around.

[Pukovnik7]

43 minutes ago, AndyHill said:

As for balancing; the game is far more balanced without than with carriers and there are zero balancing reasons to have them around.

I'll second that. Carriers are simply too influential. In just my last game, we lost rather one-sidedly... not because our team was worse as a whole, but because enemy CVs were better. They eliminated our DDs early on, brought more than a few ships (including myself) to a very low health... and I had to go after caps in my Kaiser because all our DDs were dead, while under constant attack by a CV. Doing a destroyer's role in a glacially slow Tier IV battleship with shitty AA... yeah.

 

It was definitely not fun.

[Pikkozoikum]

1 hour ago, AndyHill said:

As for balancing; the game is far more balanced without than with carriers and there are zero balancing reasons to have them around.

The game is also far more balanced without DDs and cruisers, and without russian ships or other nations ^^

As soon you add more varierty, the balancing becomes harder. Though who wants to play a game without any varierty but perfect balance

[AndyHill]

The game is balanced pretty fine when only ships of all classes are present. When planes appear, most stuff such as concealment, dpm, torps, gimmicks and such lose their meaning and the game is dominated by long range spam-ability and to an extent AA. The only variety planes bring is the opportunity to get crabbed on by planes and everyone on the enemy team who outranges you.

[Pikkozoikum]

4 hours ago, AndyHill said:

The game is balanced pretty fine when only ships of all classes are present. When planes appear, most stuff such as concealment, dpm, torps, gimmicks and such lose their meaning and the game is dominated by long range spam-ability and to an extent AA. The only variety planes bring is the opportunity to get crabbed on by planes and everyone on the enemy team who outranges you.

Actually the CVs balance it even more. When I play BB in a DD heavy match, then I rely mostly on the DDs. If my DD mates die, I'm kinda uselss and I can only win, if the enemies are stupid. With the CVs I still can do somethings, when they spot DDs or other ships.

 

Not sure how Torpedos, DPM lose their meaning. Even concealment is still important. A CV is not perma spotting the whole team and some ships can surprise a CV with their concealment.

Otherwise, why not constantly shooting in open water, that everyone can see you? ;)

 

But what I meant earlier, more varierty brings more balancing issues. Take a RPG. You have only Warriors. Thats balanced. Then you add Rogues. Then Healers. How do you balance that? Then you add Monks and Wizards.

 

So this game in balanced and imbalanced ,depending on the view. Considering the varierty, it is kinda balanced. But technically it's very imbalanced

[El2aZeR]

5 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Actually the CVs balance it even more. When I play BB in a DD heavy match, then I rely mostly on the DDs. If my DD mates die, I'm kinda uselss and I can only win, if the enemies are stupid. With the CVs I still can do somethings, when they spot DDs or other ships.

 

So if you fail to adequately support your DDs you somehow deserve to still be at an advantage?

So if the enemy CV just removes your DDs from play one way or another, that doesn't unbalance the game even more as you are reliant on just a single rather than multiple players to be good?

So if both the enemy DDs and the enemy CV are good players, that doesn't create an insurmountable disadvantage?

 

Your "logic" is truly incredible. Incredibly disingenuous as always that is. "This situation is unfair, so this mechanic which creates even more lopsided situations makes it balanced" LOL.

And to top it all off you claim balance is a matter of perspective. Hilarious.

[Prophecy82]

15 hours ago, Capra76 said:

 

Internal politics.

 

WG spent a lot of time and money on the rework, they don't want to admit to the shareholders that it was wasted, thus they try to keep CV numbers high enough to give the illusion that it was a success.

 

The funny part is, that they kinda know they fkd up. 

As token compensation every new ships gets better AA... case in point Austin, ZF-6.

Still they cant fathom that the whole AA system is fubar. 

[WWDragon]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

So if the enemy CV just removes your DDs from play one way or another, that doesn't unbalance the game even more as you are reliant on just a single rather than multiple players to be good?

No because its asymmetric and said complains can extend to any spotting capability.

 

I tried WoT and honestly it seems the complain right now to me seems that WoWS isnt WoT, DD still have a capable toolset, the problem is more that gameplay rewards passive play were nobody wants to move and since nobody wants to move the DD are "removed" from play since they cannot advance, CV presence or not due to no cruiser or BB wants to support then outside firing on DD spotted targets.

 

Oh and speaking of balance being "subjective", please explain how balanced is the MM when I got a division of 2 Mushashi with a T8 CV and you can guess exactly what they were trying to do.

[AndyHill]

9 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Actually the CVs balance it even more. When I play BB in a DD heavy match, then I rely mostly on the DDs. If my DD mates die, I'm kinda uselss and I can only win, if the enemies are stupid. With the CVs I still can do somethings, when they spot DDs or other ships.

Picking and choosing one specific situation says nothing about balancing. How about for example when your CV fails and you are in a situation where your DDs are dead and the reds have CV spotting and damage on top of your dead DDs? Much balance.

9 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Not sure how Torpedos, DPM lose their meaning. Even concealment is still important. A CV is not perma spotting the whole team and some ships can surprise a CV with their concealment.

Otherwise, why not constantly shooting in open water, that everyone can see you? ;)

They lose their meaning because it's so much harder to get close to the reds without overextending. If you look at high tier clan wars it's probably going to be quite focused on open water shooting again.

[El2aZeR]

2 hours ago, WWDragon said:

No because its asymmetric and said complains can extend to any spotting capability.

 

Which completely misses the point.

 

2 hours ago, WWDragon said:

Oh and speaking of balance being "subjective", please explain how balanced is the MM when I got a division of 2 Mushashi with a T8 CV and you can guess exactly what they were trying to do.

 

By also giving your team a T8 CV and two T9 BBs.

Also 899 is easily countered on most maps. If you die to 899, you deserve it.