General CV related discussions.

[AndyHill]

When conditions are favorable, WoWS is still a pretty darned good game and the hope of getting one of those decent matches still makes you click battle after everything we've been through.

 

The situation is also somewhat maddening. Of course WG is entirely focused on making money, but making the game better is a big part of it. Carriers are such a small niche within the game that the amount of money they bring in can't possibly compensate for the harm they do. In this regard the playerbase and WG share the same goal, it's likely that the real problem lies somewhere in the middle management where someone's ego or/and job is on the line for too big promises on the carrier rework. And poking at the sore is the only thing we can really do so that's what we do.

[Pikkozoikum]

11 minutes ago, AndyHill said:

When conditions are favorable, WoWS is still a pretty darned good game and the hope of getting one of those decent matches still makes you click battle after everything we've been through.

 

The situation is also somewhat maddening. Of course WG is entirely focused on making money, but making the game better is a big part of it. Carriers are such a small niche within the game that the amount of money they bring in can't possibly compensate for the harm they do. In this regard the playerbase and WG share the same goal, it's likely that the real problem lies somewhere in the middle management where someone's ego or/and job is on the line for too big promises on the carrier rework. And poking at the sore is the only thing we can really do so that's what we do.

Without having any source, but it sounds like, that people who don't like CV still play, while those who like CV would play anyways, thus there is nothing that "damages" the game

WG has their statistic about player count, they also can see, if people buy new premium CVs or not and how many people buy premium time etc. So I guess they are pretty aware of the situation, more than we are

[DeviousDave02]

1 hour ago, Excavatus said:

Why audacious suck??? please tell me? I hate that ship 

Because she is the final epitome of the British CV line that magnifies all the flaws in the design of British CV's and really only faces TX vessels of which she is less well equipped to handle.

That and the Midway, MVR and Hakuryu are just plain better.

 

Namely she suffers from:

Weaker torpedoes (at least you get three per drop with Audacious)

Inconsistent bombs with low pen and huge dispersion.

Small squadron sizes

Poor restore rates

Massive reliance on RNG for DoT and bomb strikes

LB's and TB's get worse restore times when upgraded unlike most other CV's with no improvement to damage output, deck parking, squadron size or amount of munitions dropped (without a drawback unlike other nations CV's which leads to...)

Decreased bomb accuracy for upgraded planes (more bombs dropped but the drop is over a larger area that is both longer and due to the oval bombing shape WIDER than the stock planes giving more room for the bombs to wander)

 

She's still a CV (so OP) so will do well but she is ironically more difficult to do well in despite being angled at being the top dog of the "potatoes first CV line" 

 

(FYI, I find that the stock DB's and TB's for UK CV's to be more consistent with their performance... maybe try those for a few games and see if you like her more

Oh and using the air brakes to slow down results in a somewhat shorter bombing run which can help with landing hits ) 

[AndyHill]

51 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Without having any source, but it sounds like, that people who don't like CV still play, while those who like CV would play anyways, thus there is nothing that "damages" the game

WG has their statistic about player count, they also can see, if people buy new premium CVs or not and how many people buy premium time etc. So I guess they are pretty aware of the situation, more than we are

That's way too binary thinking. There is no single group of "people who hate carriers" who either play 100% or don't. Many have left entirely, many are playing less (including me) and definitely paying less (definitely including me). 

[Nibenay78]

3 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Without having any source, but it sounds like, that people who don't like CV still play, while those who like CV would play anyways, thus there is nothing that "damages" the game

WG has their statistic about player count, they also can see, if people buy new premium CVs or not and how many people buy premium time etc. So I guess they are pretty aware of the situation, more than we are

That is the problem indeed. If i (or 1000 like me) leave the game today, it has no impact on the income. They might worry about player retention, but that can probably be solved with more bullshait marketing and harder blingbling.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

13 hours ago, Excavatus said:

They are not ignoring.. they just don't agree with :D

What surprises me is, people never stop complaining.. 

At some point, one expects that hardcore complainers should stop playing at all.. 

In the end, everyone talking about "losing costumers/Players" 

But everyone still going on :) 

It is the definition of insanity.... 

 

Still complaining..

Still playing, but less than before. ....only select tiers, where the game is still fun enough, even with CVs. ...on the brink of going to play CoOp only, if WG goes on with including bullsh*t mechanics into the game...

 

5 hours ago, Excavatus said:

No one ever made a game like TSW.. and will do in the future.. 
...

God I miss that game..

Wow... that sounds like the type of game that I would utterly hate to play. And I played Ultima Online, Horizons, the other WoW and some others...

But that's the thing: people are different. Some might quit playing sooner than others. For some certain level of oxfeces must have ranged to look for greener manure... or so...

[Capra76]

14 hours ago, Excavatus said:

At some point, one expects that hardcore complainers should stop playing at all.. 

 

I haven't played a random game on the live server in a surface ship for > 2 years, I only really keep the game installed for the PT server (and even then I'm losing interest fast), and to see whatever disaster WG comes up with next (subs obviously).

[_Fives]

Hello together

 

Do anyone of you know if there are ideas from WG to bring back the old CVs, like a second line of carriers for the USN or IjN? I would like to see these old ships again in the game. 
 

greetings

[Yosha_AtaIante]

No news yet 

[AndyHill]

So what's the ultimate CW CV meta like at the moment?

[Pikkozoikum]

On 5/25/2021 at 2:30 PM, _Fives said:

Hello together

 

Do anyone of you know if there are ideas from WG to bring back the old CVs, like a second line of carriers for the USN or IjN? I would like to see these old ships again in the game. 
 

greetings

That mentioned them long ago, that they could become "support" Carriers, but nothing for sure yet, well that were just ideas they had

[Pikkozoikum]

Hm, does the new rocket animation actually looks weird? The rounds of the MGs/MCs fall short and then towards the targets, though the plane is not angled like that

[Excavatus]

On 5/26/2021 at 8:15 PM, AndyHill said:

So what's the ultimate CW CV meta like at the moment?

FDR here, FDR there.. Oh look another FDR.. whats that? a haku??? noooo.. weak poor pastardos!! 

Here.. look another FDR :) 

 

Oh and.. a tip :) 
A shikishima can pen the deck of all tier 10 Carriers with HE + IFHE... 

It is very fun to CV snipe at the 4th min of the game... ehehehehehehe

[BoxOfAngryBees]

gonna add this here for completeness sake

 

[Nibenay78]

13 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

FDR here, FDR there.. Oh look another FDR.. whats that? a haku??? noooo.. weak poor pastardos!! 

Here.. look another FDR :) 

 

Oh and.. a tip :) 
A shikishima can pen the deck of all tier 10 Carriers with HE + IFHE... 

It is very fun to CV snipe at the 4th min of the game... ehehehehehehe

Isnt it kinda dumb that raking the deck of any carrier with a massive amount of 406mm AP does... NOTHING? It certainly doesnt add to the verisimilitude...

[Excavatus]

31 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Isnt it kinda dumb that raking the deck of any carrier with a massive amount of 406mm AP does... NOTHING? It certainly doesnt add to the verisimilitude...

Mate.. carriers are speshul child of the family.. 

People thinking about this new rocket plane change will nerf them heavily.. 

I don't think so :) If they actually do that.. I'm sure WG will correct it with an emergency patch! :) 

Me and my ENTY have full faith in their ability

[Nibenay78]

Yes that is how the world works.....evolution. You either adapt ( selection of the most fit ) or disappear ( i guess by stopping playing the game out of frustration )

 

Evolution is what causes controllable plane Cruisers and BB to get introduced in the game. And submarines. And more in future.

 

You can't stop it. You can't revert back to where the game was many years ago. Stop complaining ( or not but it is useless ) and fill the forums with actually helpfull stuff that helps others play the game better and enjoy it !

 

@Beastofwar

 

I think most understands that WG must create new content and make changes to last longer. Carriers already existed from the start of the game, yet the amount of complains now seems vastly bigger. So clearly the same content can create really different responses depending how it is implemented. There has been many changes in WoWs since it was released. See which change made the most negative response by far.

[Nibenay78]

6 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Mate.. carriers are speshul child of the family.. 

People thinking about this new rocket plane change will nerf them heavily.. 

I don't think so :) If they actually do that.. I'm sure WG will correct it with an emergency patch! :) 

Me and my ENTY have full faith in their ability

I can only look forward to meeting you again while playing Minotaur.

 

I'll be in my smokecloud wanking with a semblance of old AA and promoting fun (edit: and static) gameplay.

[Excavatus]

1 hour ago, Nibenay78 said:

I can only look forward to meeting you again while playing Minotaur.

 

I'll be in my smokecloud wanking with a semblance of old AA and promoting fun (edit: and static) gameplay.

If you wanna play a radar mino.. 

I can help you with my somers.. 

 

Thats our new fun.. radar mino with somers.. 

Mostly wins :) you can actually hear the screams of the enemy DDs.. when they got radared.. 

"DAMN THE MINO IS RADAR!!!!"

[Nibenay78]

4 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

If you wanna play a radar mino.. 

I can help you with my somers.. 

 

Thats our new fun.. radar mino with somers.. 

Mostly wins :) you can actually hear the screams of the enemy DDs.. when they got radared.. 

"DAMN THE MINO IS RADAR!!!!"

And how exactly does this grief the enemy CV? I want to watch planes burn, winning is less relevant :-o

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, Nibenay78 said:

And how exactly does this grief the enemy CV? I want to watch planes burn, winning is less relevant :-o

You'll need a CV with "annoying fighter build" then.... 

Also you'll need an enemy CV that will fall for it (but there's lots of those).

Note, you can also just kill the red CV, if you want. No more burning planes though after that. 

 

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

You'll need a CV with "annoying fighter build" then.... 

Also you'll need an enemy CV that will fall for it (but there's lots of those).

Note, you can also just kill the red CV, if you want. No more burning planes though after that. 

Give me proximity fuse upgrade for the AA cannons please.

[Pikkozoikum]

4 hours ago, Excavatus said:

Mate.. carriers are speshul child of the family.. 

People thinking about this new rocket plane change will nerf them heavily.. 

I don't think so :) If they actually do that.. I'm sure WG will correct it with an emergency patch! :) 

Me and my ENTY have full faith in their ability

Of course they are nerfed. From 1s rocket flight time, the time will change to ~5s, depending on the Aircraft. I think Germans will get 2-3s

So always when a DD wants to bow in, he will be able to do so. Or even dodge them. 5 seconds is a long time

4 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

 

 

 

@Beastofwar

 

I think most understands that WG must create new content and make changes to last longer. Carriers already existed from the start of the game, yet the amount of complains now seems vastly bigger. So clearly the same content can create really different responses depending how it is implemented. There has been many changes in WoWs since it was released. See which change made the most negative response by far. 

No idea, if there are more complaints, but I would assume, thats because they are more often in matches. I would assume, if you would have the reworked CV every 100th match, people would complain less than about the RTS CV. ^^

So it's nothing about the quality.

I would assume, if you would have the Reworked CV from beginning and then "rework" it to the RTS CV, you would have the same impact, just with different complaints like

"CV never covers me" "CV one shots my BB (or any other ship)"  "Unicum CV carry games alone" "Always get the worse CV player GG" etc

 

2 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

Give me proximity fuse upgrade for the AA cannons please.

But larger AA canons have that, doesn't they?

[Nibenay78]

 

11 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

But larger AA canons have that, doesn't they?

Well its hardly stated as a special feature, but i suppose that's why US cruisers kicks arse against planes!

 

oh wait... they dont anymore

[Nibenay78]

16 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Of course they are nerfed. From 1s rocket flight time, the time will change to ~5s, depending on the Aircraft. I think Germans will get 2-3s

So always when a DD wants to bow in, he will be able to do so. Or even dodge them. 5 seconds is a long time

No idea, if there are more complaints, but I would assume, thats because they are more often in matches. I would assume, if you would have the reworked CV every 100th match, people would complain less than about the RTS CV. ^^

So it's nothing about the quality.

That is only your assumptions. More CV might give more complaints, yet the main compaints are:

 

1) No counterplay - which CLEARLY existed before by having the right ship and consumable!

2) Unlimited planes - yes they are not unlimited, but you get the point. There is always another plane to take off with - Old CVs did NOT have this option.

3) No fires - This really breaks verisimilitude for me. While all ships are loaded with fun flammable stuff, CVs clearly most of all. - RTS CVs burned like everyone else and suffered even more.

4) Unlimited spotting - sure the RTS could spot a ton too - yet they had to chose between spotting and striking

 

 

So everything about the quality. Even with immersion the RTS was better. The battle was over you and you could even help either your teammates by spesifically targeting dangerous strike craft, or help your own CV by targeting fighters. It was an interesting game of chess. AA cruisers could be USEFUL due to long range strong AA, and correct positioning was good.