General CV related discussions.

[Pikkozoikum]

3 minutes ago, Blogaugis said:

Because, all carriers that I've seen, are "ineffective"... They are Lexington (T8, US), Ryujo (T6 IJN), And T4 British and german carriers...

Maybe german ones, especially the Graf Zeppelin

Maybe someone with these carriers will answer

 

But funny enough, that is even the case for Kaga, and that ship has 200mm battleship secondaries ^^

[Blogaugis]

So, presumably, it is left for those few die-hard fans of secondaries no-matter-what?

It looks to me, that WG is basically trying to convince everyone to just use planes...

 

Though, it would be easier for them to just remove the secondaries off Carriers entirely...

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, Blogaugis said:

So, presumably, it is left for those few die-hard fans of secondaries no-matter-what?

It looks to me, that WG is basically trying to convince everyone to just use planes...

 

Though, it would be easier for them to just remove the secondaries off Carriers entirely...

Well, secondaries were never good on carriers except on Graf Zeppelin... But then, I play Kaga with secondary build, because sometimes it's still funny^^

 

I'm not a fan of "remove it, because it's not super strong". Cruisers have secondaries, too, and those are also pretty weak in most cases. Sadly they don't implement the deck gun on submarines. Imo they should make secondaries manual anyways :3

[Miscommunication_dept]

I only run the module on my Immelmann. It’s been handy when low health destroyers have charged me but I don’t think I’d spare points for the tier 4 skill.

[RenfieldSyndrome]

I am relatively new on CVs and need help with initial plan. I start with rocket planes then go for spotting thats ok but if I face up with DD on the way shall I stop spotting and strike or ignore and go for spot other flank ? My general game strategy about hunting every single DD alive then focus others that why I have ok wr so far but poor dmg and pr which is not very good to see. Maybe should I focus only 1 side ?

[Deckeru_Maiku]

17 minutes ago, hocamdomdom said:

ok wr so far but poor dmg and pr which is not very good to see

WR > dmg/PR by miles...

All those "Well, I didn't win the battle but got a ton of damage done... again..." players are utterly frustrating to the players in their team.

A CV player who ignores what he would have to do to win the battle but only goes to damage dealing, without being able to do enough damage (and sinking of enemy ships) to have the battle result in a win is a bad CV player. Nearly as bad as those camping BaBBies who survive a lost battle with 80% of their HP intact and tons of (mostly HE) damage done late in the battle.

[RenfieldSyndrome]

6 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

WR > dmg/PR by miles...

All those "Well, I didn't win the battle but got a ton of damage done... again..." players are utterly frustrating to the players in their team.

A CV player who ignores what he would have to do to win the battle but only goes to damage dealing, without being able to do enough damage (and sinking of enemy ships) to have the battle result in a win is a bad CV player. Nearly as bad as those camping BaBBies who survive a lost battle with 80% of their HP intact and tons of (mostly HE) damage done late in the battle.

I would never trade win for dmg or PR. My question is how I can make all of them blue/purple

[BLUB__BLUB]

4 hours ago, hocamdomdom said:

I would never trade win for dmg or PR. My question is how I can make all of them blue/purple

You can't unless you are very good. 

What I tend to do is:

1. guard the caps, kill/whack everything that tries to take it;

2. spot for my BBs/CLs/DDs so they can farm the reds;

3. defend my DDs. 

 

It usually works, but there are some things that prevent 100% win ():

1. you spot a DD, you try whack him but nobody else cares to shoot at it. He goed on to cap and farm your teammates;

2. Team have all the caps, reds are lower on ships - but they try to win harder... one by one they expose themselves and are shot;

3. Everybody goes off lemmingtrain t one side, leaving the caps open, they do not find the enemy, enemy takes all caps, shoots two ships - you lose because zero points. 

 

The only way to avoid this (well.... mostly...) is to div up so you at least have TWO teammates that have some sense. 

And even this is not a guarantee, one game I farmed 200K in FDR (2 kills), my mate in Thunderer got 3 kills and 240K, other one in CL got 1 kill >>.100K damage.
Guess what, the reds were hiding behind one island, and each team had one cap... and then our team one-by-one started "winning harder". 

So, one BB moves out and charges the enemy... yes that were 6 behind one island... he gets spotted... and blapped... and then the next... LOL. 
Ended up those 6 ships came out and the three of us, well, we could not kill them all but they could kill us. 

 

 

[Nov_A]

20 hours ago, Blogaugis said:

So, presumably, it is left for those few die-hard fans of secondaries no-matter-what?

It looks to me, that WG is basically trying to convince everyone to just use planes...

 

Though, it would be easier for them to just remove the secondaries off Carriers entirely...

I got Lütjens for plane survival, restoration and damage increase, but also Megatron for secondaries on GZ, came in handy during the second 1v1 brawl but otherwise he is useless.

[Kokos78]

Nerf the fing FDR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Miscommunication_dept]

38 minutes ago, Kokos78 said:

Nerf the fing FDR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Play Halland, you'll feel much better

[SodaBubbles]

Wow! Thanks for the brilliant game design, devs! The parasite took 5K off me in nurnberg with rockets, then hit me for 11K with torps. I hadn't fired a shot!

This is genius! Soooo muuuuchhhhh fun! Can't wait to do it every day!

[Pikkozoikum]

5 hours ago, SodaBubbles said:

Wow! Thanks for the brilliant game design, devs! The parasite took 5K off me in nurnberg with rockets, then hit me for 11K with torps. I hadn't fired a shot!

This is genius! Soooo muuuuchhhhh fun! Can't wait to do it every day!

You could upload the replay, if you want people to look over it, if something was bad played

[Pikkozoikum]

9 hours ago, gopher31 said:

Play Halland, you'll feel much better

AA builds are actually fun, though wish we could have manual long-range-AA v_v

[SodaBubbles]

1 hour ago, Pikkozoikum said:

You could upload the replay, if you want people to look over it, if something was bad played

Naw, I played fine. Had fighter plane up, in fact. It's hard to grasp that anyone could ever think game design that stupid is a good idea. Just glad I dont have that kind of mind...

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

12 hours ago, gopher31 said:

Play Halland, you'll feel much better

Yeah do 100k plane damage snd shoot down 15 bombers. Much fun 

[NorShii]

6 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Yeah do 100k plane damage snd shoot down 15 bombers. Much fun 

100k plane damage and not a single plane shot down, bless the torpedo bomber heal 

[Miscommunication_dept]

28 minutes ago, LegacyBunn said:

100k plane damage and not a single plane shot down, bless the torpedo bomber heal 

FDR torp bombers have no heal....

need buff....

[Nov_A]

On 5/19/2021 at 6:34 AM, SodaBubbles said:

Naw, I played fine. Had fighter plane up, in fact. It's hard to grasp that anyone could ever think game design that stupid is a good idea. Just glad I dont have that kind of mind...

Fighters do not protecc,  fighters do not attacc, all they do is launch off and then come bacc.

[Kyorinn]

19.05.2021 saat 06:32'de, Pikkozoikum dedi:

You could upload the replay, if you want people to look over it, if something was bad played

not like you can find a counterplay to that "perfectly balanced" class after you watch the replay 

[arttuperkunas]

I really, really, really wish they would remove the spotting ability from fighters. It doesn't seem necessary, and as a DD I find it super annoying. It also plays into an absurd meta where fighters cannot do what you would think they are meant to do (hunt strike planes or bombers), but rather are there to absorb AA/CAP fighters/spotting.

 

(I realise this is not the number one problem with CVs, which is why I find it only annoying rather than infuriating, but it just seems so unnecessary)

[NorShii]

28 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

I really, really, really wish they would remove the spotting ability from fighters. It doesn't seem necessary, and as a DD I find it super annoying. It also plays into an absurd meta where fighters cannot do what you would think they are meant to do (hunt strike planes or bombers), but rather are there to absorb AA/CAP fighters/spotting.

 

(I realise this is not the number one problem with CVs, which is why I find it only annoying rather than infuriating, but it just seems so unnecessary)

People use fighter planes in CVs because they're expendable, and recharge quickly. Unless its the fighter consumable that you mean and I'm confusing fighters for attack aircraft. But yeah, CVs use it as a tool to let their team shoot at you while the CVs attack planes are too far away to spot you. If it's that big of an issue to you, ask an AA cruiser (that probably doesn't exist anymore due to how shafted the class is now) to go into the fighter zone and shoot them down. There's no shame in asking a teammate for AA cover

[Nibenay78]

1 hour ago, LegacyBunn said:

There's no shame in asking a teammate for AA cover

You mean prefeably 4+ teammates.

[arttuperkunas]

2 hours ago, LegacyBunn said:

People use fighter planes in CVs because they're expendable, and recharge quickly. Unless its the fighter consumable that you mean and I'm confusing fighters for attack aircraft. But yeah, CVs use it as a tool to let their team shoot at you while the CVs attack planes are too far away to spot you. If it's that big of an issue to you, ask an AA cruiser (that probably doesn't exist anymore due to how shafted the class is now) to go into the fighter zone and shoot them down. There's no shame in asking a teammate for AA cover

I'm not going to ask a squishy cruiser to get murdered in the cap just because of some fighter planes.

 

It is not "that big of an issue" - as I mentioned in my earlier post - just a pointless annoyance. I don't understand why fighter planes of any flavour provide spotting in this game.

[Nibenay78]

10 hours ago, arttuperkunas said:

I'm not going to ask a squishy cruiser to get murdered in the cap just because of some fighter planes.

 

It is not "that big of an issue" - as I mentioned in my earlier post - just a pointless annoyance. I don't understand why fighter planes of any flavour provide spotting in this game.

CVs don't provide any thing anymore except for inducing annoyance and having something to waste our pointless reports on.