General CV related discussions.

[Lordcrafty]

2 minutes ago, Von_Pruss said:

Just had my Kidd with set AA priority sector and running DFAA against a Lexington rocket strike. She performed 2 full passes and my Kidd shot down 1 (one) plane. Things really have changed.

things have changed since when should I ask?

Pro tip: priority sector decreases your DPS if you use it on the wrong side.

[Panzer_Guido]

4 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

I have an excuse, I have to for my quest to get 1500 kills in CVs so I'm playing implac to at least make it a bit more fair. I'm going to rank out with only implac because I'm a madman.

What do you mean by "unicums" though? Being unicum in CV is pretty meaningless and easy, and being unicum in surface ships doesn't say anything about your CV play.

wel...I guess you are technically correct (which is the best kind of being correct), I didnt check their stats in-depth. but in general a player thats well in Unicum territory will not play a ship he sucks in, as he actually understands if he sucks in a ship opposed to worse players who do not realize that. And going up against players who are already way ahead of yourself and then see them having to rely on CV as well. That made me sad in a way. I would have expected better of them. 

[1MajorKoenig]

40 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Literally GZ torps, just drops 4 of them per attack.

Ok - thanks. Although I am curious how these are considered “scary” given these eels are a complete joke at T8 already. One more in a drop and that at T10? Sounds pretty weak actually 

[Molly_Delaney]

Don't believe statistics.....

If you look at my current statistics for Randoms you will see:

 

I'm NOT that good!

[Snaggletooth1808]

Can someone explain to me why CV's are in the new Brawl mode?

I play mostly BB's and I can't even get to full speed by the time I have been spotted and then torp'd to crap. I don't get chance to even spot the CV nevermind hit him before I am dead so whats the point in playing in Brawl against a CV I might as well quit out or just not play Brawl which is a shame but hey ho CV's ruining crap is the norm these days.

[anonym_h2A7Pq9RjcIx]

On 3/9/2020 at 9:35 AM, Excavatus said:

Hello dear forum users.

As most of the regulars know, we had a CV rework discussion for a long time on top of the page.

After almost a year, we removed the pin on it, to allow new and more topics emerge and have discussions about it.

After months, the discussions about the CV related topics, had diluted down to a handful of subjects.

So, in order to keep the forum clean, this will be the place for further CV related discussions, such as but not limited to;

• General interaction between surface ships and CVs,
• New developments on the CV mechanics,
• CV related MM issues,
• CV influence over different tiers,
• Discussions about individual CVs,
• Tactics, captain builds, counterplay,
• AA
• CVs in competitive mods.

Please remember, all the forum rules are in place and try to stay away from personal discussions, arguments, stat shaming, etc.

and try to keep it constructive!

 

Hello dear forum users.  (Wargaming Moderator's translation in brackets)

 

As most of the regulars know, we had a CV rework discussion for a long time on top of the page.    (We thought most of those regulars have left, had kids and died.  Why are these new kids still moaning? I mean, we call them 'Commanders' and put pictures of Dasha on everything)

After almost a year, we removed the pin on it, to allow new and more topics emerge and have discussions about it.  (Damn! The Battleship distractions and new premium stuff hasn't worked, they're still talking about the Carriers, don't tell the boss!)

After months, the discussions about the CV related topics, had diluted down to a handful of subjects. (We really do know all about it, why do you persist?  All of the following will be ignored or haven't you noticed?)

So, in order to keep the forum clean, this will be the place for further CV related discussions, such as but not limited to; (We moderators are tired of censoring all of the nasty profanity across this forum, so we'll just call this the 'swear room', at least we know where to edit.  Saves time you know and there aren't so many of us now.)

• General interaction between surface ships and CVs,
• New developments on the CV mechanics,
• CV related MM issues,CV influence over different tiers,
• Discussions about individual CVs,
• Tactics, captain builds, counterplay,
• AA
• CVs in competitive mods. 

(Yes, all of this is broken, we know!  But we're scared to say anything and we have families you know!)

 

Please remember, all the forum rules are in place and try to stay away from personal discussions, arguments, stat shaming, etc.

and try to keep it constructive!  (After this much time, we really thought you'd be bored.  Will you please go away and play something else, we don't live in a free world like you and are not used to having opinions of our own.)

 

This is how Wargaming and their employees come across to me.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

39 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

This is how Wargaming and their employees come across to me.

Luckily Excavatus isn't.

And on the utterly weird chance that You don't know what a "Moderator" (which Excavatus is) is: a volunteer who spends a part of his free time to make sure this forum isn't full of BS.

And on the not so utterly weird chance that You haven't any of Excavatus' posts about CVs in this and several other threads: He's one of "us" - he agrees that the CV reework is basically a failure andisn't really good for the game - but he also has the opinion (as many other players) that WG will not change anything even players are a wee bit miffed, because for WG the reework did was it supposed to do (= slightly raise the number of CV players in the game and generate some income by sales of CVs)

[anonym_h2A7Pq9RjcIx]

9 hours ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Luckily Excavatus isn't.

And on the utterly weird chance that You don't know what a "Moderator" (which Excavatus is) is: a volunteer who spends a part of his free time to make sure this forum isn't full of BS.

And on the not so utterly weird chance that You haven't any of Excavatus' posts about CVs in this and several other threads: He's one of "us" - he agrees that the CV reework is basically a failure andisn't really good for the game - but he also has the opinion (as many other players) that WG will not change anything even players are a wee bit miffed, because for WG the reework did was it supposed to do (= slightly raise the number of CV players in the game and generate some income by sales of CVs) 

Then he shouldn't represent them then and can't he speak for himself ? edited*

 

edit: language please!

[Deckeru_Maiku]

2 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

Then he shouldn't represent them then and can't he speak for himself ? Monkey Boy!

This is so far in the range of "absurd" that it doesn't really deserves a well-thought reply...

[El2aZeR]

5 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Ok - thanks. Although I am curious how these are considered “scary” given these eels are a complete joke at T8 already. One more in a drop and that at T10? Sounds pretty weak actually 

 

I can see them being pretty good if the spacing is decent. 21k total alpha is nothing to sneeze at especially with fast planes. And since the regen is very fast and ready reserves are rather generous you'll be unlikely to run out of them.

[Sunleader]

15 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

I can see them being pretty good if the spacing is decent. 21k total alpha is nothing to sneeze at especially with fast planes. And since the regen is very fast and ready reserves are rather generous you'll be unlikely to run out of them.

 

The Torpedoes are Decent enough.

Not Great. But they get the Job done.

 

That being Said. I am not Impressed from what I see on the Immelman.

 

1.

The Torpedo Bombers got less HP and are Slower than the ones on Manfred.

And while a little bit Faster than other CVs Torpedo Bombers. Only having 1640 HP per Aircraft is pretty Low.

So. While the Torpedoes are good enough to get the Job Done. They are not very Good either.

 

2.

Immelman also comes with Weaker AA. Frankly. For a CV this AA is Laughable.

It will have to Rely Heavily on Fighters to not be Sniped by Enemy CVs.

 

 

 

Ultimately. I am waiting for 3 Questions to be Answered before making my Mind up on this CV being Good or Bad.

 

A.

Is the of course the Big Question. How well the Skip Bombers Hit Targets.

How Reliably can they Hit DDs. 

Because that will be the Primary Question on wether this CV will have any Influence in a Battle.

B.

What is the Arming Distance on the Torpedoes.

Because if its the same as GZ its Fine. But if they Pull one like Kaga. And make the Arming Distance Longer. Then these Slow Torps will end up being Pretty useless.

C.

And Finally. What is the Penetration on the HE Bombs.

By Name they are the same as the HE Bombs from Erich Löwenhardt. Which is only 68mm

If thats the case here. These HE Bombs will be Literally Useless against anything other than DDs.

[Kr1gsG4ldr]

I need ad advice,

Finally I've unlocked the t10 USN cv today.

On the last slot of Midway, is better put speed or hp?

Because i saw that only on rockets planes there is a consistently bonus on speed but on TB or DB the bonus is poor so i've ask to me if in this case are better the hp for more tankiness i guess.

What do you recommend?

Thank you.

[Excavatus]

9 hours ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

Then he shouldn't represent them then and can't he speak for himself ? edited*

 

edit: language please!

Hello, 

Yes I can speak for myself, 

but thanks to @Deckeru_Maiku, he really summarized it well. 

 

I don't work for WG, I'm a volunteer, 

I don't represent the company. 

I believe CVs are broken, and had to be removed from CB and Ranked as a start.. (even posted about this yesterday)

 

But these are not the issues, everybody may think whatever they want. 

I just want to say, insulting other people and fighting with them when they have an opposite argument for you, 

is not ok here.. 

 

PS: some posts were removed

[Asashio_Kai_Nii]

7 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Which is only 68mm

Maybe you made a mistake there. 68mm on HE bombs is enough to pen every ship except armored flight decks. 

[anonym_h2A7Pq9RjcIx]

1 hour ago, Excavatus said:

Hello, 

Yes I can speak for myself, 

but thanks to @Deckeru_Maiku, he really summarized it well. 

 

I don't work for WG, I'm a volunteer, 

I don't represent the company. 

I believe CVs are broken, and had to be removed from CB and Ranked as a start.. (even posted about this yesterday)

 

But these are not the issues, everybody may think whatever they want. 

I just want to say, insulting other people and fighting with them when they have an opposite argument for you, 

is not ok here.. 

 

PS: some posts were removed

 

I'm so glad you can you bring yourself to reply.  I didn't know you were a 'volunteer' and neither do I believe that makes a difference!  This is Wargaming's 'official' website and as so, you do represent them, whether you like it or not.

 

As far I'm concerned, it's your position that's 'absurd', especially in respect to the obscene amount of money exchanged by a once loyal player base, who have had the game they paid for altered beyond recognition.  Where I come from this is tantamount to fraud and theft.

 

This is made all the more insulting, as Wargaming were advised from virtually every quarter (both prior to and post 8.0) not to go ahead with the rework.  Advice they chose to ignore and virtually threw back in the faces of it's customers by making carriers insultingly overpowered and rendering the game unrecognisable.

 

If you do indeed have a 'voice of your own', then I would advise you make your opinion clear at the head of this thread,  because I have absolutely no trust in Wargaming, those who represent them and that means you, sunshine!

 

Do I make myself clear?  I'm not just disgruntled .... I am am angry!

[Sunleader]

9 minutes ago, Asashio_Kai_Nii said:

Maybe you made a mistake there. 68mm on HE bombs is enough to pen every ship except armored flight decks. 

 

Immelman has Skip Bombers.

They hit the Belt. Not the Deck.

[Asashio_Kai_Nii]

Just now, Sunleader said:

 

Immelman has Skip Bombers.

They hit the Belt. Not the Deck.

Thank you for clarifying 

[anonym_h2A7Pq9RjcIx]

53 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

PS: some posts were removed

Why did you remove the non insulting posts and leave the insulting ones?  Something else that makes no sense, makes you sound even more representative of Wargaming.

[Excavatus]

51 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

This is Wargaming's 'official' website and as so, you do represent them, whether you like it or not.

If thats how you see it I respect your opinion, even though me (and other moderators) disagree with you.. anyway moving on! 

52 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

If you do indeed have a 'voice of your own', then I would advise you make your opinion clear at the head of this thread,

Searching is your friend, I've said more than I can remember, that CVs are broken, they cannot be balanced, the best way is to remove them. 

and I'm gonna repeat it whenever the situation requires (as like now - see I just did) 

53 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

those who represent them and that means you, sunshine!

see, this name calling attitude will not go nicely around here. This one, this time, as the target I'll let it pass.. but you should stop it. 

Try to be nice towards the other people, especially when they've had no grudge, insults, etc against you! 

1 minute ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

Why did you remove those particular posts, neither of which were insulting or broke forum rules ... very puzzling ?

and discussing moderation is not allowed in the forum too! 

[Excavatus]

55 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Immelman has Skip Bombers.

They hit the Belt. Not the Deck.

you can hit the SS with them.. which results hilariously! 

[Asashio_Kai_Nii]

1 minute ago, Excavatus said:

you can hit the SS with them.. which results hilariously! 

Izumo will be the perfect counter then... :D

[Excavatus]

1 minute ago, Asashio_Kai_Nii said:

Izumo will be the perfect counter then... :D

No.. the DAMN PETRO IS!! 

[anonym_h2A7Pq9RjcIx]

Well frankly,

2 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

If thats how you see it I respect your opinion, even though me (and other moderators) disagree with you.. anyway moving on! 

If

 

3 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

58 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

This is Wargaming's 'official' website and as so, you do represent them, whether you like it or not.

If thats how you see it I respect your opinion, even though me (and other moderators) disagree with you.. anyway moving on!  

58 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

If you do indeed have a 'voice of your own', then I would advise you make your opinion clear at the head of this thread,

Searching is your friend, I've said more than I can remember, that CVs are broken, they cannot be balanced, the best way is to remove them. 

and I'm gonna repeat it whenever the situation requires (as like now - see I just did) 

58 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

those who represent them and that means you, sunshine!

see, this name calling attitude will not go nicely around here. This one, this time, as the target I'll let it pass.. but you should stop it. 

Try to be nice towards the other people, especially when they've had no grudge, insults, etc against you! 

4 minutes ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

Why did you remove those particular posts, neither of which were insulting or broke forum rules ... very puzzling ?

and discussing moderation is not allowed in the forum too! 

Please show entire selection and take in account the context of my message,  instead of cherry picking.

 

I'm so glad you can you bring yourself to reply.  I didn't know you were a 'volunteer' and neither do I believe that makes a difference!  This is Wargaming's 'official' website and as so, you do represent them, whether you like it or not.

 

As far I'm concerned, it's your position that's 'absurd', especially in respect to the obscene amount of money exchanged by a once loyal player base, who have had the game they paid for altered beyond recognition.  Where I come from this is tantamount to fraud and theft.

 

This is made all the more insulting, as Wargaming were advised from virtually every quarter (both prior to and post 8.0) not to go ahead with the rework.  Advice they chose to ignore and virtually threw back in the faces of it's customers by making carriers insultingly overpowered and rendering the game unrecognisable.

 

If you do indeed have a 'voice of your own', then I would advise you make your opinion clear at the head of this thread,  because I have absolutely no trust in Wargaming, those who represent them and that means you, sunshine!

 

Do I make myself clear?  I'm not just disgruntled .... I am am angry! 

 

•  

[Excavatus]

1 minute ago, Fellatio_Nelson said:

lease show entire selection and take in account the context of my message,  instead of cherry picking.

I didn't cherry pick anything??? 
you said If you have an own voice say it.. I've told I've said it numerous times, 

You were being rude personally, I've answered that, that has nothing to do with the rest of your post, 

you've said you see moderators as WG representatives, I've said I respect that.. 

 

Anyway.. If you have more questions or comments, lets move onto the PMs, so we do not pollute the topic with personal discussions. 

[1MajorKoenig]

9 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

I can see them being pretty good if the spacing is decent. 21k total alpha is nothing to sneeze at especially with fast planes. And since the regen is very fast and ready reserves are rather generous you'll be unlikely to run out of them.

So 5.250 Max per torp was it? Sounds about right. But you need to consider that ships at that level have almost half torp reduction so actual damage may be more between 2500 - 3000 per drop. I mean not bad but more or less only the equivalent of 2-3 normal BB pen hits. Sounds about the same power level as GZ at T8 which isn’t super impressive but the main selling point seems to be the skip bombs anyway.