General CV related discussions.

[Nov_A]

3 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

They are trash and useless even if you are a unicum. They just don't provide the tools to carry games which other CV nations could carry. 

Ark Royal:  *exists*

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

5 minutes ago, Nov_A said:

Ark Royal:  *exists*

 

Ark Royal is t6, why even compare it to meta CVs? 

Also Furious is far better than Ark Royal

[Kampfbaer_777]

I have a good idea for everyone and I'm pretty sure everyone is happy:

 

Just make a time limited updated where people can choose battle with cvs, battle without cvs. 

If 90 percent or more of the player base dont play with cvs stop the project CV and stop to force them to everyone if you have less players start to think how you can make the anti cv players happy. 

 

But I know that wargaming has not the balls to do it abd thats the sad story they dont listen to players. 

Since the bug cv rework people telling them make limited ranges to cv planes make limited flying time to reduce a little the impact of a cv. Nothing happend till today. CVs are not mainly bad but they have an impact which is just a little to big while in an other ships you have nothing else than an automatic system to trust in. 

[CptBarney]

2 hours ago, Nov_A said:

Ark Royal:  *exists*

 

So...they have joined.

[Puffin_]

That is how you deal with CV. Not complicated after all. 

 

[siraiaw]

So if I understand flamus CV video correct the best way to fix CVS is if we all stop playing them and don't play them even when they get buffed to an op level of we do that then the CV player numbers will fall to or below the pre CV rework numbers and wargaming would have to acknowledge that the CV rework is a failure

[BLUB__BLUB]

4 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

Ark Royal is t6, why even compare it to meta CVs? 

Also Furious is far better than Ark Royal

 Not in my book...

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

8 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

 Not in my book...

 

Oh BLUB xD

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, Zuihou_Kai said:

Oh BLUB xD

Took me only 650+ games to GitGud (well, a bit at least) 

[159Hunter]

6 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Took me only 650+ games to GitGud (well, a bit at least) 

We seem to have different opinions on the definition of GitGud  jk/

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

We seem to have different opinions on the definition of GitGud  jk/

I like him because he is self aware, sees the improvement regardless of if it's small, doesn't feel pressured and is honest. 

 

many would git gud instantly if they had some of his attitude and mindset. But they stay 48% forever searching for excuses 

[DFens_666]

2 hours ago, Puffin_ said:

That is how you deal with CV. Not complicated after all. 

 

If thats what it takes to become Unicum CV on NA, i bet half our CV players would be unicums. Ive seen better drops from 40% EU CV players than that guy

NA must be some kinda shithole, every NA vid i see, its complete potato madness. EU Server is like unicum heaven compared to that. Cruisers casually sitting <8km ahead of BBs, BBs shoot BB somewhere else --> Cruisers OP?!

Maybe that FDR guy is only to be able to attack stationary BBs in spawn (like the Thunderer), good for him if thats getting him 65% WR... doesnt mean he is actually good.

[Puffin_]

55 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

If thats what it takes to become Unicum CV on NA, i bet half our CV players would be unicums. Ive seen better drops from 40% EU CV players than that guy

NA must be some kinda shithole, every NA vid i see, its complete potato madness. EU Server is like unicum heaven compared to that. Cruisers casually sitting <8km ahead of BBs, BBs shoot BB somewhere else --> Cruisers OP?!

Maybe that FDR guy is only to be able to attack stationary BBs in spawn (like the Thunderer), good for him if thats getting him 65% WR... doesnt mean he is actually good.

I am pretty sure 65% win rate actually means HE IS PRETTY GOOD 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

I am pretty sure 65% win rate actually means HE IS PRETTY GOOD 

For CVs you need to scale differently. 

[DFens_666]

14 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

I am pretty sure 65% win rate actually means HE IS PRETTY GOOD 

 

Lets forget that he has 65% WR in his FDR.

Looking at his drop attempts on the Henri, do you think they look like its a Unicum attacking him? Compare that to his drops on the stationary Thunderer in the beginning. I dont want to speculate what you need to do to get 65% WR in a TX CV on NA server, because neither have i ever played TX CVs, nor do i play on NA server.

- his TB run on the Henri into his broadside was a miserable failure. He was turning in and slowing down, but the CV did absolutely nothing to get a better drop of. He just dropped as if the Henri wouldnt have dodged at all, missing all but one torp

- attempting to get behind the Henri with his DBs, then just giving up because he is incapable of getting into the correct attack position in the first place. Even a bad player would have attempted to attack, and even if its a bad drop, he could have still dealt damage to him. The CVs option was "i dont attack at all". Ive scored citadels and received citadels on DB drops coming in from the broadside... Its not perfect, but still better than flying circles and never striking.

- He can get drops on stationary BBs, as we see on the Thunderer which he attacks a few times, removing like what 60% of his health? Easiest drops in the world, if thats good enough to get 160k avg damage and 65% WR - then so be it. But that doesnt mean the CV is a unicum then.

[Puffin_]

21 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

I am pretty sure 65% win rate actually means HE IS PRETTY GOOD 

 

18 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

For CVs you need to scale differently.  

So 65% win rate in CV is not good enough to be taken seriously in a Video.

[CptBarney]

6 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Lets forget that he has 65% WR in his FDR.

Looking at his drop attempts on the Henri, do you think they look like its a Unicum attacking him? Compare that to his drops on the stationary Thunderer in the beginning. I dont want to speculate what you need to do to get 65% WR in a TX CV on NA server, because neither have i ever played TX CVs, nor do i play on NA server.

- his TB run on the Henri into his broadside was a miserable failure. He was turning in and slowing down, but the CV did absolutely nothing to get a better drop of. He just dropped as if the Henri wouldnt have dodged at all, missing all but one torp

- attempting to get behind the Henri with his DBs, then just giving up because he is incapable of getting into the correct attack position in the first place. Even a bad player would have attempted to attack, and even if its a bad drop, he could have still dealt damage to him. The CVs option was "i dont attack at all". Ive scored citadels and received citadels on DB drops coming in from the broadside... Its not perfect, but still better than flying circles and never striking.

- He can get drops on stationary BBs, as we see on the Thunderer which he attacks a few times, removing like what 60% of his health? Easiest drops in the world, if thats good enough to get 160k avg damage and 65% WR - then so be it. But that doesnt mean the CV is a unicum then.

Makes you wonder why he was playing so erratically for a player so good as well. 

@El2aZeR Do you know mister hussletrees might be playing a bit sus during that match? 

[159Hunter]

13 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

 

So 65% win rate in CV is not good enough to be taken seriously in a Video.

what he means is that 65% WR in CV is more like 50 - 55% WR in another class. 

And doing it in the OP FDR puts you more towards the lower end.

 

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, Puffin_ said:

So 65% win rate in CV is not good enough to be taken seriously in a Video.

 

That is correct.

After all even abhorrently bad CV players such as Gibbins can get ~60% WR in CVs. The simple truth is even just knowing, not even mastering the basics will get you that far.

Just like back in RTS where simply knowing how to manual drop and strafe would make you a unicum easily, but it didn't make you a skilled CV player.

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

That is correct.

After all even abhorrently bad CV players such as Gibbins can get ~60% WR in CVs. The simple truth is even just knowing, not even mastering the basics will get you that far.

Just like back in RTS where simply knowing how to manual drop and strafe would make you a unicum easily, but it didn't make you a skilled CV player.

Would you need to know prediction, map awareness, proper target selection and general pro-action to get ahead? Sounds like csgo, easy to learn hard to master.

[BLUB__BLUB]

6 minutes ago, 159Hunter said:

We seem to have different opinions on the definition of GitGud  jk/

As long as I'll out-xp and out-damage the other CV about 80% of games, I'm happy. 

 

3 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

I like him because he is self aware, sees the improvement regardless of if it's small, doesn't feel pressured and is honest. 

 

many would git gud instantly if they had some of his attitude and mindset. But they stay 48% forever searching for excuses 

Thanks man, I just enjoy the games playing with my with buddies. When we play together I can get WR close to 70%.

We do some crazy stuff, like faildivving (T6CV+ 2xT7, T8CV+2xT9) and then some like "kill that DD with torps". 

 

I'm no way good enough to carry a team. But three of us will. Even if we're only sniffing the GitGud.... faintly. 

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, CptBarney said:

Would you need to know prediction, map awareness, proper target selection and general pro-action to get ahead? Sounds like csgo, easy to learn hard to master.

Wel there's the problem...

prediction --> check!

map awarenes -->  well, not so much...

proper target selection --> are you kidding? I'll always pick the most meme-worthy target.

pro-action-- > well there's no telling what the taters will do, at least I can't find out.

[Nov_A]

13 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

Also Furious is far better than Ark Royal

Stop changing avatars, I need to update the meme again.

[arquata2019_]

5 ore fa, CptBarney ha scritto:

Would you need to know prediction, map awareness, proper target selection and general pro-action to get ahead? Sounds like csgo, easy to learn hard to master.

may i ask

how am i with midway for ya all? just jumped on this thread randomly and read these things

[MadGunna]

IChase adding his 2 cents, basically expanding on what Flamu already said.

 

The two of them come to the same conclusion @El2aZeR already drew years ago. The gameplay loop is fundamentally broken, any fixes basically boil down to 'back to the drawing board'.