General CV related discussions.

[Nauseica]

If ever WG decide to put a "force feedback" feature in the CV's plane control i promise il buy share's and a premium cv.

[CptBarney]

So we got over the half way mark when it came to the old threads page count, only a few days before the anniversary of this thread lol.

And we achieved nothing new in both threads.

 

GG bois.

[RenamedUser_556458253]

 

 

He said it all !!!

 

[DeviousDave02]

1 hour ago, CptBarney said:

So we got over the half way mark when it came to the old threads page count, only a few days before the anniversary of this thread lol.

And we achieved nothing new in both threads.

 

GG bois.

And here is our celebratory cake for when we do

 

Seriously though we were never going to get much changed. That would require WarGambling to admit they were wrong.

Besides, the CV reeeeework is done as far as WarGaming is concerned besides minor tweaks of 5% [Insert attribute here].

 

Submarines is where it's at now and so that is where all the Vodka Resources are going

[Molly_Delaney]

We really need to be able to use 2 emojiis to react as comment is 'cool' and cartoon is 'funny'.

[Cippalippus]

The CV rework is garbage but nobody cares, I am here just to increase my post count

[RossijskijAxisFlot]

I suggest that german CVs get Me 262s with slow speed of 400 knots as rocket planes, and Ho 229 with Fritz X bombs so that RNG can go [edited]itself 

[COPlUM]

1v1 brawls coming up, what will happen to this topic?
Will it explode because it's not even theoretically possible for a CV to lose 1v1?
Will it calm down because there will be less CVs in random battles and nobody but CVs will touch brawls?

[Nibenay78]

2 hours ago, Molly_Delaney said:

We really need to be able to use 2 emojiis to react as comment is 'cool' and cartoon is 'funny'.

I think we need an emoji that means "CVs suck" 

[POIfection]

Sort ur CVs out .. whoever has the best CV player wins .. it's getting boring 

[Nibenay78]

44 minutes ago, POIfection said:

Sort ur CVs out .. whoever has the best CV player wins .. it's getting boring 

Even if not, it's still boring to be spotted on the whim of another player, or continuously attacked.. or just be outgunned by secondaries on a player who can't hit!

[BLUB__BLUB]

8 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

The fact that most BBs now sit at 20km even makes it viable to push caps almost constantly, as most radar cruisers get screwed if they get close to the caps..

The thing is, they are usually spread a bit, and hiding stationary behind islands. 

I guess you know what is the favourite CV prey...  Try it you might start to like them.

 

BTW Mino is not on the menu. They taste very very bad. I doubt if they taste much worse with "AA on the side".

But I can & will slam-dunk ANY Mino if needed. And that's just me, not someone like @El2aZeR.

Lucky for me 99.99% slamming a Mino (or Worcester) isn't necessary. Because, they taste yuck. 

Smacking a DM, Salem, Yoshino... gives similar XP but more damage and leaves less of a gap in planes... 
Now and then a Stalingrad.... burp... 

 

YOUR Mino might be a "necessary feisty and hot-n-spicy snack.

Although.. .maybe a sensible CV player would just prefer to eat the rest of your team first.

I know I would. I'd just get fat on those backspamming BBs ( yum yum yum man they are fat and tasty...).

You're very good... but even you cannot take 3 caps at once. (<--- note..) 

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, POIfection said:

Sort ur CVs out .. whoever has the best CV player wins .. it's getting boring 

Not really. I usually out-damage and out-XP the red CV. Still I do not get high WR. 

Only very good CV players can actually carry whatever WeeGee MM throws at them.

 

50 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Even if not, it's still boring to be spotted on the whim of another player, or continuously attacked.. or just be outgunned by secondaries on a player who can't hit!

Spotting needs to go, it is no use to CV players at all and they do not get anything from it.
As such it is an annoyance to everybody. I don't know why WG keeps it like this. NOBODY wants it.

 

Also, WeeGee wants CVs to just do "damage over time". So what they need to do is repeat attack, time after time. 

But, if you look at it that way, FDR is actually "an improvement"... 

[Nibenay78]

10 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

YOUR Mino might be a "necessary feisty and hot-n-spicy snack.

Although.. .maybe a sensible CV player would just prefer to eat the rest of your team first.

That IS an issue, which it helps to be near a friendly Halland or 5.

 

Also I noticed they changed the unique upgrade has some changes (i usually dont pay attention anymore).

So now 37.5 sec action time and 96.05 sec dissipation time should be a total of 133.55 sec, with a reload time of 144 sec..

 

(edit: I'm not fan of constantly sitting in the smoke, but as it's really the only defence against carriers..) 

 

That means the little minotaur can sit and touch himself inappropriately in some smokecloud with a 11 sec window of shocking visibility, while the AA is hammering rerentlessly.

As as we all know, it's no skill required to either attack or defend against airplanes, it leaves a lot of time for touching.

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, Nibenay78 said:

That IS an issue, which it helps to be near a friendly Halland or 5.

Yeah well you'd be the same as some BBs that cluster up behind an island then. 

I'd describe then as :

1: useless;

2. torpedo food. Though you're probably more maneuverable. 

 

Just now, Nibenay78 said:

Also I noticed they changed the unique upgrade has some changes (i usually dont pay attention anymore).

So now 37.5 sec action time and 96.05 sec dissipation time should be a total of 133.55 sec, with a reload time of 144 sec..

I know... I have it. 

 

Just now, Nibenay78 said:

That means the little minotaur can sit and touch himself inappropriately in some smokecloud with a 11 sec window of shocking visibility, while the AA is hammering rerentlessly.

As as we all know, it's no skill required to either attack or defend against airplanes, it leaves a lot of time for touching.

ROFL. In Mino I usually do not get deleted by CV. What usually deletes me is the same as other cruisers.
I get spotted by my victim, or usually one of his buddies that I didn't see yet (I'm not as savvy as you...)

but I manage to avoid all that, and then I get blapped by somebody waaaayyyyyyy off on the other side. 

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Yeah well you'd be the same as some BBs that cluster up behind an island then. 

I'd describe then as :

1: useless;

2. torpedo food. Though you're probably more maneuverable. 

1: sitting in the cap or between them is rarely useless.

2: not so often with hydro really

 

anyways back to how CVs suck...

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1 hour ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Not really. I usually out-damage and out-XP the red CV. Still I do not get high WR. 

Only very good CV players can actually carry whatever WeeGee MM throws at them.

 

Yep..

I just today finished Part 2 of my research in the field "How to Potate in a CV more or less successfully" featuring the Ranger.

Did 100 battles in her, to achieve a comparable base, even though it probably got a bit influenced by the captain skills reework compared to the 100 non-reeskilled battles in the Ryujo

 

Facts:

Ryujo - 100 battles - 59% winrate - average damage 45k - average kills 0.99 - av. plane kills 3.06

Ranger - 100 battles - 50% winrate - av. damage 45k - av. kills 1.25 - av plane kills 3.81

 

From my personal impression (!) I achieved better results with more damage and kills in the Ranger, but also suffered a lot more from getting a) uptiered to T8 more often and b) getting teamed with utterly useless potatoes and c) both at the same time... which then lead to horrible battle results, bringing the average do that shown.

 

3 hours ago, POIfection said:

Sort ur CVs out .. whoever has the best CV player wins .. it's getting boring 

 

See above. Even better CV players than me will sometimes (or often...) get burdened with an uncarryable amount of potatoes in their battles. And as @BLUB__BLUB stated, even when outplaying the enemy CV is no guarantee for a win. It just takes enough potatoes on your team, and - bingo - you're in for a loss...

 

5 hours ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

1v1 brawls coming up, what will happen to this topic?
Will it explode because it's not even theoretically possible for a CV to lose 1v1?
Will it calm down because there will be less CVs in random battles and nobody but CVs will touch brawls?

 

Well, check my stats above (okay, for T6 CVs, but I get if only facing T8 teams I'd probably at least would manage a 50% winrate, too) and the stats of many other CV players and You will find quite a few CV players who will not be able to sink a single enemy ship unless facing a potato like themselves or getting really, really, REALLY lucky.

Add to that, that there are a few ships which sport decent AA which will making said ship(s) able to at least make it costly for the potato CV to attack them to achieve sometimes neglectable damage - potatoes often miss with torpedoes and bombs and even more often miss dodging DDs with rockets - which result in brawls being not much different than the last version we had..

 

• potatoes will potate and whine...
• better players will play better, farm potatoes and get farmed by unicorns and sometimes whine a bit...
• unicorns will farm all non-unicorns, enjoy competitive battles, unless when faced with a unicum CV, in which case they might get farmed themselves, unless when being in the proper ship and lucky... or being in a CV themselves... which it's back to competetive battles...

 

[POIfection]

I feel better now;

 

Played Le Terrible a bit .. speed boasted side of map .. sank CV early doors ..  won all games that I did this successfully (6) .. it's just boring tho 😆

 

I did say sorry to one CV player who was confused and upset (dead  < 3 mins) .. but caveated with .. welcome to a DDs life.

 

 

 

 

[lavaboy]

28 minutes ago, POIfection said:

I feel better now;

 

Played Le Terrible a bit .. speed boasted side of map .. sank CV early doors ..  won all games that I did this successfully (6) .. it's just boring tho 😆

 

I did say sorry to one CV player who was confused and upset (dead  < 3 mins) .. but caveated with .. welcome to a DDs life.

 

 

 

 

Never feel sorry for CV players.. that's like apologising to the baseball bat that someone's hitting you with.. it's WG's fault, but anyone who plays them is still part of the problem

[Puffin_]

9 hours ago, thedoctor297 said:

 

 

He said it all !!!

 

No only half of it

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

See above. Even better CV players than me will sometimes (or often...) get burdened with an uncarryable amount of potatoes in their battles. And as @BLUB__BLUB stated, even when outplaying the enemy CV is no guarantee for a win. It just takes enough potatoes on your team, and - bingo - you're in for a loss...

Can also happen another way. This happens to me very often: 

- Teams are sort of equal, but I am the better CV (or, say, I have FDR... and the other side has not...)*:

- I will then just spot a bit, and farm a BB, he and his teammates often run... doesn't help them but they do... 

- My teammates will then take that cap, and I will move the Cv a bit to get more map control;

- I start farming the next cap... that is, the ships behind it. I will probably now kill some Dead-eye BB, or two. 

- We than have two caps, or maybe three. The reds are down two or three ships, and looks like win.

- ....now the reds t retreat behind sn island. They are all bunched up there. Basically we just have to farm them and we win. 

--> now my teammates yolo in, one by one, and they get picked off by concentrated fire 

 

*: I mention FDR, but actually I am better in MVR... I just mean, I have the upper hand whatever the reason.

One CV is better than the other depending on the situation. Like, he brought Ranger, and I brought Ryujo. 

Or I brought Lexi and he brought Kaga, but there's 4 DDs. Or something like that. 

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

47 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Can also happen another way.

There's endless ways for losing a battle...

 

I continue my quest for the ultimate wisdom from now on in my Furious - up to now (from battles done only after winning with Ryujo AND Ranger, and after I had 100 battles in Ryujo, Furious got into battle only after I first had a win in the Ranger) 56 battles and only 46% winrate *cough* with damage and kills still quite horrible...

Again only my personal (!) impression: after getting a T6 battle for the Ranger and a win, the Furious gets a T8 battle thrown at it. So maybe it gets better without the Ranger battles first... maybe I'll only get T8 battles only 30% or so instead kinda like 50% of the time as now

[Odinius85]

Can CV mains/good CV players answer me this: whenever I see a RN CV on my team I know it's a loss. Is this confirmation bias or are the RN CVs trash unless you are a unicum?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

3 hours ago, Odinius85 said:

Can CV mains/good CV players answer me this: whenever I see a RN CV on my team I know it's a loss. Is this confirmation bias or are the RN CVs trash unless you are a unicum?

They are trash and useless even if you are a unicum. They just don't provide the tools to carry games which other CV nations could carry. 

[159Hunter]

2 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

They are trash and useless even if you are a unicum. They just don't provide the tools to carry games which other CV nations could carry. 

I really like the tier VIII.

The tier X just doesn't work for me. RNG keeps saying: though shalt not stack DoT. And well, then they suck.