[THROW] Lordcrafty Players 467 posts 11,760 battles Report post #7426 Posted February 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Deckeru_Maiku said: And also nice to see they concentrate on the important things... exactly what I was thinking. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #7427 Posted February 11, 2021 Man the CV is so broken & OP I win even when I do nothing. Oh Masterr @El2aZeR I have become very very fearsome... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOFTC] Pikkozoikum Players 7,658 posts 13,680 battles Report post #7428 Posted February 12, 2021 10 hours ago, Lordcrafty said: exactly what I was thinking. On what should the graphic and art designers concentrate instead? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] 159Hunter Players 4,528 posts Report post #7429 Posted February 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said: On what should the graphic and art designers concentrate instead? Weeb camos ofc 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #7430 Posted February 13, 2021 I played the Jaguar, T5 DD. Enemy ranger, T6 CV, was too potato to kill me, so he chased me with planes for nine minutes. During those nine minutes, I did 1.065 damage to planes and got one airplane shot down ribbon. After nine minutes of running away from potato CV planes, I killed myself, I was too bored to run away from that same one squadron of planes for another eleven minutes. Some parts of this video game are truly moronic, like, just, asinine. A low tier DD can literally shoot one squadron of planes for the entire duration of a match and kill one airplane 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #7431 Posted February 13, 2021 You need to play jaguar once and face a CV once to realize destroyers without smoke are unplayable. There is no way I will torture myself and play this line, one game, all it takes. That is how cancerous this is. I was interested in playing this line, took me one game to decide im never touching french destroyers, and if this was my first experience with world of warships, I would have uninstalled it right there 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #7432 Posted February 13, 2021 5 hours ago, NikolayKuznetsov said: and face a CV once to realize destroyers without smoke are unplayable My Ostergotland, Småland and Halland tend to disagree. Unless enemy CV is unicum, planes are not a problem. Even in French DD if he will focus me and he will struggle to kill me (there are lots of special CV captains) then the others will be able to play freely and I will just run around in circles laughing at the potato, trolling him in a chat constantly, buying time for my team. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Nov_A Beta Tester 1,292 posts 13,123 battles Report post #7433 Posted February 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, DariusJacek said: My Ostergotland, Småland and Halland tend to disagree. Unless enemy CV is unicum, planes are not a problem. Even in French DD if he will focus me and he will struggle to kill me (there are lots of special CV captains) then the others will be able to play freely and I will just run around in circles laughing at the potato, trolling him in a chat constantly, buying time for my team. Yeah, but it is a team gamble and can be very frustrating to play, as you are constantly striving for the greater good/victory, while others just dont care. Same in the CV, "no problem, I just focus important targets and out-dpm the enemy CV" and still your team is down 4 ships after 3 minutes with the enemy CV having 40% WR and 30k avg in T8. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #7434 Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Nov_A said: Yeah, but it is a team gamble and can be very frustrating to play, as you are constantly striving for the greater good/victory, while others just dont care. Same in the CV, "no problem, I just focus important targets and out-dpm the enemy CV" and still your team is down 4 ships after 3 minutes with the enemy CV having 40% WR and 30k avg in T8. Well, in a long run true value of a good play will show in a WR. Some games are unwinnable. After all if remaining 11 will decide to lose, not much can be done except for hope that enemy has simmilar game plan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #7435 Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, DariusJacek said: My Ostergotland, Småland and Halland tend to disagree. Unless enemy CV is unicum, planes are not a problem. Even in French DD if he will focus me and he will struggle to kill me (there are lots of special CV captains) then the others will be able to play freely and I will just run around in circles laughing at the potato, trolling him in a chat constantly, buying time for my team. I fail to see how thats fun to play tho... also a 40% can just ruin your game because he is playing that SPESHUUL class. Harassing one ship over and over should be prevented, maybe by increasing AA power over time if a CV keeps his plane inside of the ships AA. Over time, the bonus could decrease again if there are no planes inside AA for a couple of minutes. Basicly AA gunners are becoming more accurate so to say. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #7436 Posted February 13, 2021 @DFens_666It's not fun at all. Just making the best out of shitty situation. Good idea with increasing AA power but I would rather had decent AA all the time. Played a few yesterday in CVs for the first time after rework and those games fealt filfy when hunting dds. Whoever came with this mechanics should be sucked straight away and sued for the damages. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLUMR] Kyorinn Players 83 posts 14,098 battles Report post #7437 Posted February 13, 2021 11.02.2021 saat 16:36'de, BLUB__BLUB dedi: Wuuuttt again? you know the entire rework was unnececary [edited] so yes again 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLUMR] Kyorinn Players 83 posts 14,098 battles Report post #7438 Posted February 13, 2021 9 saat önce, NikolayKuznetsov dedi: I played the Jaguar, T5 DD. Enemy ranger, T6 CV, was too potato to kill me, so he chased me with planes for nine minutes. During those nine minutes, I did 1.065 damage to planes and got one airplane shot down ribbon. After nine minutes of running away from potato CV planes, I killed myself, I was too bored to run away from that same one squadron of planes for another eleven minutes. Some parts of this video game are truly moronic, like, just, asinine. A low tier DD can literally shoot one squadron of planes for the entire duration of a match and kill one airplane well french dd and low tier you played with but still you are right in some point Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLUMR] Kyorinn Players 83 posts 14,098 battles Report post #7439 Posted February 13, 2021 12.02.2021 saat 00:27'de, BLUB__BLUB dedi: Man the CV is so broken & OP I win even when I do nothing. Oh Masterr @El2aZeR I have become very very fearsome... what the heck happened here :d? is that even possible 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashardalon_Dragnipur Players 493 posts 5,497 battles Report post #7440 Posted February 13, 2021 spotting quest i assume its perfectly possible to get a profit and a victory if you focus completely on spotting in a CV tho its less then 200k so it wasnt a great spotting match, i guess current meta makes it harder then it used to be Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #7441 Posted February 13, 2021 8 hours ago, DariusJacek said: Even in French DD if he will focus me and he will struggle to kill me (there are lots of special CV captains) then the others will be able to play freely and I will just run around in circles laughing at the potato, trolling him in a chat constantly, buying time for my team. Well, okay, but you've traded a 60% WR player for a 40% one by virtue of the ship he's playing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #7442 Posted February 13, 2021 6 hours ago, COMRADE_2019 said: what the heck happened here :d? is that even possible FF-ing around in division, I just shoo-ed all the DDs off the cap. They lost because we got 3 caps, I spotted their DDs and they got killed. Threw a few torps at them to guide them... LOL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #7443 Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Capra76 said: Well, okay, but you've traded a 60% WR player for a 40% one by virtue of the ship he's playing. In a French DD I am spotted and shooting most of the time anyway so a few flies buzzing above my head doesn't make a lot of difference. It's annoying though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #7444 Posted February 14, 2021 21 hours ago, DariusJacek said: My Ostergotland, Småland and Halland tend to disagree. Your ostergotland, smaland and halland have AA, eventually the planes die and you get a break, you can reposition, whatever. Low tier french DDs get no AA whatsoever, no smoke and no speed either. So in a French DD, one squadron of planes can be over you for the entire duration of the match. A good CV player will just kill you and that's that, but a bad CV player can't kill you, he'll just try, try, try, try and try some more. This results in you dodging planes for 20 minutes. The issue is a CV player with a spare copy of his 21st chromosome can keep you occupied for 20 minutes, it is relentless, it does not stop, one squadron of planes is on top of you uninterrupted for 20 minutes I killed myself sold the ship and will pretend this line (which I was very interested in playing) simply does not exist. Go try it, play a T6 CV and hover a squadron of planes over a jaguar, he can't do anything to get away from you, for 20 minutes. That is asinine game design, one player can troll another player for 20 minutes and there is nothing the other guy can do to make it stop, except kill himself, which is what I did before selling the ship. Thank god I got this "experience" before the new German DDs come out, they will have the same issue, I'm not touching them. Because one in ten games a potato CV will hover his planes over your head for 20 minutes and with the new germans too there is absolutely nothing you can do to make it stop at any point. Europeans are playable because they have some AA, eventually the planes will die, French and new Germans get no smoke and no AA. I'm not playing that, there is no condition under which I will play a DD without smoke or AA after this match in a Jaguar. It's mind-bogglingly stupid, the only way is "just dodge" for 20 uninterrupted minutes or kill yourself to make it stop. My team asked why did I kill myself, I was doing "such a great job" keeping the enemy CV busy. Yeah well screw you, I'm not here to keep someone else busy for 20 minutes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #7445 Posted February 14, 2021 We know it all but nothing below t8 has AA really. How would WG hook new players into boring CV gameplay otherwise then making them idiot proof? Some are already crying that CVs are unplayable against dds after slight nerf to rockets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #7446 Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, NikolayKuznetsov said: My team asked why did I kill myself, I was doing "such a great job" keeping the enemy CV busy. Yeah well screw you, I'm not here to keep someone else busy for 20 minutes. That is what they all think, doesn't matter if you spend 20 minutes and get nothing in return. Also that is the same when you play CV or DD. Serve them or receive -1 karma. LOL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #7447 Posted February 14, 2021 Not going to let it piss me off too much, bought the ship, bought that special french captain for the line, lessons learned, ship sold, captain retired after one match. I should be grateful this was "the french DD experience" in my first game, better than finding out half way down the line. If anything, it's a valuable lesson, never play destroyers without smoke or good AA to compensate (Halland) - they are CV food. Sailing those ships, your only purpose is to "entertain" someone else playing CVs, you get to do 0 damage, shoot 0 shells and launch 0 torps, but you do get to entertain someone else. I am sure this is not always the case and French DDs can be great fun, but just the fact that this can be the way a match plays out is enough to make me forget destroyers without smoke even exist, under no conditions will I ever play them. Whoever was playing that Ranger, thanks for saving me many days of my life. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #7448 Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 9:55 AM, FellRaven said: I would encourage everyone to watch this video. I never heard of that dude before (and I am afraid that is for a good reason) but for the sake of this discussion I had a watch. Now the video doesn’t offer any facts unfortunately beyond representing a BB–Main‘s opinion. Which is as good or bad as any other individual opinion. The problem with the video that he tried to make it look like a fact which it is obviously not. If you want to watch a real good, in depth and knowledgeable discussion on CVs — better watch this. These two know — in harsh contrast to the other vid — what they are talking about. And I think Ahskance nailed it: CCs and expert players have a responsibility to inform objectively instead of misleading the poor souls who don’t know any better for some cheap clicks. Very good and thorough discussion indeed - discussing all facets from different angles - very nice although quite long: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #7449 Posted February 14, 2021 On 2/11/2021 at 9:55 AM, FellRaven said: I would encourage everyone to watch this video. Video is not very interesting to anyone here, he's just saying what everyone already knows : - It is possible to mitigate a large chunk of CV damage (Just Dodge™) by turning in such a way that you get deleted by surface ships instead. So what people do is let the CV violate them, as it is the lesser of two evils. - The only way to not be in a position where you are offered the choice of "die by enemy ships or die by planes" - Is sit in the back of the map all clumped up to merge AA, this makes matches with CVs painfully boring for 22 people who aren't playing a CV. We all know this, why do you think this topic is 298 pages long 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #7450 Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour and 45 minutes into that video Ahskance : A well played surface ship is like a very skilled technician, they can fix machines, the CV is just a superviser, is that a good analogy? E2azer : No CV is a very skilled technician with a jet pack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
