General CV related discussions.

[Sunleader]

31 minutes ago, Nov_A said:

Can we discuss the Graf Zeppelin now?

 

Sure.

What do you want to know ?

 

If you need a Build. I will go with this.

https://wowsft.com/ship?index=PGSA518&modules=11111&upgrades=121310&commander=PCW001&skills=1671530&flags=479&consumables=11&pos=0

 

Unfortunately. CVs can no longer do a Full Secondary Build as before. Because CVs do not have IFHE Skill.

So unlike before. You can no longer Broadside a Yamato and Watch as it Melts while Desperately attempting to somehow not Overpenetrate your Hull while Bouncing off from your 40mm Citadel Deck....

 

But against Cruisers and Especially DDs you are Still the most Horrible Opponent. Because your effectively Spamming HE like a Wooster and have Insane Secondary Accuracy.

Your Secondaries have a Dispersion of like 70m or something. Meaning that a T10 DD on Max Range Melts like a Candle thrown into a Furnace.

 

 

Your Torpedoes are your Strongest Weapon. (And Frankly now they are basicly your only Decent Weapon....)

As such you should Learn how to Drop them properly despite the low Speed. Shortening the Drop Distance and Buffing the Bulge Armor Penetration is Mandatory.

If used Right. They thanks to their Speed can Drop even AA Protected Targets Reliably with a Single Wing. (Meaning you can Shorten your Squadron to just 1 Wing and will still usually get Drops into Target)

By using Heal and Motorboost you can Drop anything Twice. And yes that Includes Enemy CVs because you can Outrun his Fighters. (Or at least you could. I dont know if its still possible if a CV has Fighter Skills now)

That also goes for Dropped Fighters of course. If the Enemy doesnt have Fighter Skills. You can as long as you dont Faceplant into them. Outrun Dropped Fighters thus not just Removing them as Spotters but also Attack Targets under Fighter Cover. (Not Faceplanting into them means to Tag their Patrol Radius on the Side they are currently not on. As otherwise they will Fire at you from the Front or Side before you get a Chance to Outrun them)

 

Your Divebombers Suck. No Joke. They Suck. You can use them to Play Lottery on Cruisers and BBs. And othewise use them as Cannonfodder when Attacking and Spotting stuff you dont want to lose Torpedo Bombers for.

Yeah. I am not Joking. Thats all they are good for. Dont bother trying to find any use for them. Because these Guys are so Goddamn useless that even with Fully Aimed Drop they will Manage to Drop the Bombs on Opposite Sides of an Enemy Grosser Kurfürst. And NO. That is NOT an Overexagerration. This has Happened. In Fact it happens more often than not......

 

Your Rockets were actually Really Strong before the Sight Update. After which they got Nerfed into Oblivion.

In the Past they could Drop on DDs even if they had AA Disabled. Because they are slow enough and had short enough Attack Run that you could Faceplant DDs which disabled AA upon finding them.

On top the Rockets do Decent Damage and will Penetrate most Cruiser and even BB Deck Armor.

After the Update of course. Using them against DDs which are not completely Potato will generally not Yield much Results. Because you fire only a few of them. And their Wide Dispersion will often Yield 0 Hits unless someone gives you Full Broadside.

So basicly they are now just Fire Starters for BBs or used to cause Damage to Cruisers.

ATTENTION. NEVER USE THESE WITHOUT SHORTENING. These are Slow and Fragile. They Die easily. So always Shorten Half the Squad and only Attack with 4 Planes. 2 as Sacrifice for AA 2 for the Attack Run.

Otherwise you will lose 6-7 of them and not even get a Second Attack Down.

Only exception being stuff like Kagero Completely Alone or Something.

 

 

General Playstyle.

What you need to know. Is that you are NOT a Carrier.

You are a Light Cruiser Flottila made up from 2 Nurnbergs and 2 T61s.

Just that your Triple Torpedo Launchers are Flying around Dropping Torps next to the Enemy Ship and that you got some Floatplanes Carrying Bombs and Rockets that wont amount to much but can Score a Lucky hit now and Then.

 

As Such. You Support your Team with Aircraft in the Early Game while making sure you position yourself where you are in Cover.

Once the Game Thins down you Start moving out and become a Cruiser. Supporting your Team with Anti Air and Protect your Battleships from Enemy DDs. (Albeit these Should be Dead if you did your Job)

If Necessary using your Secondaries.

Yes your Secondaries. Dont be Scared of DDs Seriously. Just Pretend your a Cruiser. Make sure you Dodge Torps and then just Massacre the DDs with your Guns.

 

 

Thats all.

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

The rockets are not as bad as people say. 

 

They were Really Good before Wargaming Nerfed them into Oblivion....

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

So can i have my ballistic missile sub?

You? you can have a canoe with a handgun and it still would be plenty OP. 

[Lordcrafty]

4 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

the torps are slow. GZ has slow torps. Slow are the torps of GZ. Graf Pepelin has slow torps. Pepelin has slow torps. Yeppelin had slow torps. Zeppelin has slow torps. Graf Zeppelin has slow torps. Graf Yeppelin has slow torps. GZ has the slowest torps. Graf Pepelin has the slowest torps. Graf Yeppelin has the slowest torps. Graf Zeppelin has the slowest torps. The torps of Graf Yeppelin are slow. The torps of Graf Pepelin are slow. The torps of Graf Zeppelin are slow. The torps of Pepelin are slow. Slow are the torps of Graf Pepelin. Slow are the torps of Graf Yeppelin. Slow are the torps of Graf Zeppelin. Torps dropped by Graf Zeppelin planes are slow. Torps dropped by Graf Pepelin planes are slow. Torps dropped by Graf Yeppelin planes are slow. Torps dropped by GZ are slow. 

You get the idea. 

Sunleader is best Graf eppelin player. 

I know you're trying to get a message across here but I just don't quite understand what you're trying to say...

[Deckeru_Maiku]

7 hours ago, Panocek said:

 

Weeaboos took over this part of the forum and don't even have the decency to post boobs or at least fan service pics.

[El2aZeR]

9 hours ago, Nov_A said:

Can we discuss the Graf Zeppelin now?

 

I gotchu fam.

Spoiler

 

 

[CptBarney]

2 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

I gotchu fam.

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I get the one on the left, but the one on the right? Looks some weird fusion between zeppy and bismarck.

Also graf smiling is just weird lol.

[Aixin]

Vor 15 Stunden, Sunleader sagte:

 

Sure.

What do you want to know ?

 

If you need a Build. I will go with this.

https://wowsft.com/ship?index=PGSA518&modules=11111&upgrades=121310&commander=PCW001&skills=1671530&flags=479&consumables=11&pos=0

 

Unfortunately. CVs can no longer do a Full Secondary Build as before. Because CVs do not have IFHE Skill.

So unlike before. You can no longer Broadside a Yamato and Watch as it Melts while Desperately attempting to somehow not Overpenetrate your Hull while Bouncing off from your 40mm Citadel Deck....

 

But against Cruisers and Especially DDs you are Still the most Horrible Opponent. Because your effectively Spamming HE like a Wooster and have Insane Secondary Accuracy.

Your Secondaries have a Dispersion of like 70m or something. Meaning that a T10 DD on Max Range Melts like a Candle thrown into a Furnace.

 

 

Your Torpedoes are your Strongest Weapon. (And Frankly now they are basicly your only Decent Weapon....)

As such you should Learn how to Drop them properly despite the low Speed. Shortening the Drop Distance and Buffing the Bulge Armor Penetration is Mandatory.

If used Right. They thanks to their Speed can Drop even AA Protected Targets Reliably with a Single Wing. (Meaning you can Shorten your Squadron to just 1 Wing and will still usually get Drops into Target)

By using Heal and Motorboost you can Drop anything Twice. And yes that Includes Enemy CVs because you can Outrun his Fighters. (Or at least you could. I dont know if its still possible if a CV has Fighter Skills now)

That also goes for Dropped Fighters of course. If the Enemy doesnt have Fighter Skills. You can as long as you dont Faceplant into them. Outrun Dropped Fighters thus not just Removing them as Spotters but also Attack Targets under Fighter Cover. (Not Faceplanting into them means to Tag their Patrol Radius on the Side they are currently not on. As otherwise they will Fire at you from the Front or Side before you get a Chance to Outrun them)

 

Your Divebombers Suck. No Joke. They Suck. You can use them to Play Lottery on Cruisers and BBs. And othewise use them as Cannonfodder when Attacking and Spotting stuff you dont want to lose Torpedo Bombers for.

Yeah. I am not Joking. Thats all they are good for. Dont bother trying to find any use for them. Because these Guys are so Goddamn useless that even with Fully Aimed Drop they will Manage to Drop the Bombs on Opposite Sides of an Enemy Grosser Kurfürst. And NO. That is NOT an Overexagerration. This has Happened. In Fact it happens more often than not......

 

Your Rockets were actually Really Strong before the Sight Update. After which they got Nerfed into Oblivion.

In the Past they could Drop on DDs even if they had AA Disabled. Because they are slow enough and had short enough Attack Run that you could Faceplant DDs which disabled AA upon finding them.

On top the Rockets do Decent Damage and will Penetrate most Cruiser and even BB Deck Armor.

After the Update of course. Using them against DDs which are not completely Potato will generally not Yield much Results. Because you fire only a few of them. And their Wide Dispersion will often Yield 0 Hits unless someone gives you Full Broadside.

So basicly they are now just Fire Starters for BBs or used to cause Damage to Cruisers.

ATTENTION. NEVER USE THESE WITHOUT SHORTENING. These are Slow and Fragile. They Die easily. So always Shorten Half the Squad and only Attack with 4 Planes. 2 as Sacrifice for AA 2 for the Attack Run.

Otherwise you will lose 6-7 of them and not even get a Second Attack Down.

Only exception being stuff like Kagero Completely Alone or Something.

 

 

General Playstyle.

What you need to know. Is that you are NOT a Carrier.

You are a Light Cruiser Flottila made up from 2 Nurnbergs and 2 T61s.

Just that your Triple Torpedo Launchers are Flying around Dropping Torps next to the Enemy Ship and that you got some Floatplanes Carrying Bombs and Rockets that wont amount to much but can Score a Lucky hit now and Then.

 

As Such. You Support your Team with Aircraft in the Early Game while making sure you position yourself where you are in Cover.

Once the Game Thins down you Start moving out and become a Cruiser. Supporting your Team with Anti Air and Protect your Battleships from Enemy DDs. (Albeit these Should be Dead if you did your Job)

If Necessary using your Secondaries.

Yes your Secondaries. Dont be Scared of DDs Seriously. Just Pretend your a Cruiser. Make sure you Dodge Torps and then just Massacre the DDs with your Guns.

 

 

Thats all.

 

 

 

 

They were Really Good before Wargaming Nerfed them into Oblivion....

Graf Zeppelin rockets are much worse then they used to be but much better then one might think they would be. If you are used to midway TT it's actually quite easy to get decent drops on destroyers. Regardless the ship could use some love... 

[Farheim]

6 hours ago, CptBarney said:

I get the one on the left, but the one on the right? Looks some weird fusion between zeppy and bismarck.

Kantai graf cosplaying chinkcolle graf.

[OVanBruce]

Did anyone ever make a Midway Kanmusu? I need it for reasons

[CptBarney]

59 minutes ago, OVanBruce said:

Did anyone ever make a Midway Kanmusu? I need it for reasons

Probs have to shop around in japan. Ignore the deutchlands biting your ankles, if it gets too much grab a audacious and bat them away.

@El2aZeR speaking of weegee CV's have implacable or audacious made an appearance yet in azur lane? Or even midway for that matter?

[Lordcrafty]

57 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Probs have to shop around in japan. Ignore the deutchlands biting your ankles, if it gets too much grab a audacious and bat them away.

@El2aZeR speaking of weegee CV's have implacable or audacious made an appearance yet in azur lane? Or even midway for that matter?

nope, also does @El2aZeR play azur lane regularly? I'll be disappointed if you don't run a full carrier fleet El2.

[CptBarney]

Just now, Lordcrafty said:

nope, also does @El2aZeR still play azur lane regularly? I'll be disappointed if you don't run a full carrier fleet El2.

r.i.p still waitin for the big grills to arrive like lion, conqueror, kremlin, midway, yamato, shikishima, izumo, musashi, shinano, implacable, indomitable, audacious, stalingrad, smolensk, bigensk, the three thighs and GKF

[OVanBruce]

No Midway on Azur Laneand I doubt it will happen as all ALxWoWs collab characters have been tier IX or below so far.

[CptBarney]

3 minutes ago, OVanBruce said:

No Midway on Azur Laneand I doubt it will happen as all ALxWoWs collab characters have been tier IX or below so far.

Eh, peegee said no tier 10s for sale and look what happened. We will see tier 10 characters as some are too iconic not too put into the game.

 

Also:

 

 

Only now he realises took him long enough lol.

[Lordcrafty]

12 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Eh, peegee said no tier 10s for sale and look what happened. We will see tier 10 characters as some are too iconic not too put into the game.

 

Also:

 

 

Only now he realises took him long enough lol.

lol, he thinks the Devs play the game at all. how naive

 

[OVanBruce]

If AL decided to add Midway they would have to make her stronger than Enterprise, kinda doubt it will happen.

[elblancogringo]

Can someone give me an up-to-date enterprise build?

Since the removed torp acceleration, is it worth taking the new skill with only 5% more torp speed? Is the -25% damage reduction of flak worth 4 points?

Thanks

[Lordcrafty]

26 minutes ago, elblancogringo said:

Is the -25% damage reduction of flak worth 4 points?

[DeviousDave02]

9 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

Well... clicking see last comment and having that picture fill the entirety of your screen is just nightmare fuel.  T_T

[CptBarney]

This is now officially the weeb cv discussion.

Please add your piles of salt and cringe next to miss hosho.

 

Speaking of CV's i reckon French and italian CV's will be gud memes, although they will mostly be blueprints and inspired designs like the german ones atm.

Flying croissant plaus going 325knots.

[Nov_A]

2 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

This is now officially the weeb cv discussion.

Please add your piles of salt and cringe next to miss hosho.

 

Speaking of CV's i reckon French and italian CV's will be gud memes, although they will mostly be blueprints and inspired designs like the german ones atm.

Flying croissant plaus going 325knots.

SAP rockets and restoration booster?

[CptBarney]

Just now, Nov_A said:

SAP rockets and restoration booster?

Maybe SAP bombs as well, for frenchies could be planu restorer and enhanced boost and maybe being more manuvourable in general for their planes. Italians maybe could get a higher resistance to damage as a throw to their heavy cruisers being armoured more than usual or electric torpedoes that are kinda slow, but pop-up only when pretty close.

 

Russians idk would just be memes, Pan-Asian copy whatever they feel like, Pan-Euro idk.

[El2aZeR]

4 hours ago, Lordcrafty said:

nope, also does @El2aZeR play azur lane regularly? I'll be disappointed if you don't run a full carrier fleet El2.

 

Spoiler

 

[CptBarney]

15 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

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I only recognise 3 ships enty and essex and sandy. I thought she was bad doe?

[Farheim]

Waiting for german CV with fritz bombs.

Also have no clue why you guys always prefer speed over sustain, I always pick hp upgrade and -25% flak damage. Can't play Midway/Haku rn coz I'm griding that research buerau, but I've tried that build on Lex with +5% speed on bombers... that 10 kt. boost is totally negligible, and 'just dodge' argument doesn't really work, coz there will be situations where you'll just have no option other than eat flak.