General CV related discussions.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

FDR is terrible now. You can just forget she even exists. There are certain builds that will crap on FDR so hard while remaining effective without an issue. 

[Sink_Different]

8 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

There are certain builds that will crap on FDR so hard while remaining effective without an issue. 

You mean those builds that makes less effective against DD, CL , BB and are a double waste of point if there are no CV in the match?

Those builds?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Sink_Different said:

You mean those builds that makes less effective against DD, CL , BB and are a double waste of point if there are no CV in the match?

Those builds?

If you are incapable of making CVs work with the build I talk about which doesn't make you incapable of dealing with DDs, CVs are literally the same as before the rework with that build then you are just terrible? 

 

Also I mean CV builds obviously not surface ships? 

[Sink_Different]

Please don't blame me because you pick the worst skill possible for FDR and then say :"look! its bad" 

Like picking a gunboat template for a torpedo or vice-versa, or any of the least usefull skills for any class.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

11 minutes ago, Sink_Different said:

Please don't blame me because you pick the worst skill possible for FDR and then say :"look! its bad" 

Like picking a gunboat template for a torpedo or vice-versa, or any of the least usefull skills for any class.

Dude the ship no matter what you pick on FDR is dead because other CVs skilled certain ways will crap on FDR. 

 

To make it easy to understand... 

 

FDR planes slow. 

FDR planes encounter enemy CV planes. 

Enemy CV drop fighter with Interceptor build on FDR planes. 

FDR planes tries to run but slow. 

Fighter kill FDR planes. 

FDR planes take off new squadron but is also slow. 

Enemy CV drop fighter again and FDR planes dead again. 

 

FDR very sad now 

[CptBarney]

7 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

Dude the ship no matter what you pick on FDR is dead because other CVs skilled certain ways will crap on FDR. 

 

To make it easy to understand... 

 

FDR planes slow. 

FDR planes encounter enemy CV planes. 

Enemy CV drop fighter with Interceptor build on FDR planes. 

FDR planes tries to run but slow. 

Fighter kill FDR planes. 

FDR planes take off new squadron but is also slow. 

Enemy CV drop fighter again and FDR planes dead again. 

 

FDR very sad now 

FDR is gud waifu. Coral sea will be even better. Like kaga, but better.

 

Also shokekus theme after she got rekt and el2azers break theme.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

5 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

FDR is gud waifu. Coral sea will be even better. Like kaga, but better.

 

Also shokekus theme after she got rekt and el2azers break theme.

 

shoukek never got wrecked though. 

The third kraken of that day. Yes  Close quarters expert on shoukaku. 

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

shoukek never got wrecked though. 

The third kraken of that day. Yes  Close quarters expert on shoukaku. 

You said you couldn't play her or something. Oh well it still fits elly regardless.

[Sink_Different]

CV vs CV is not my problem. What interests me is if FDR became crap against surface ships or not with the skill rework.

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Sink_Different said:

CV vs CV is not my problem. What interests me is if FDR became crap against surface ships or not with the skill rework.

 

FDR got buff against surface ships

 

@CptBarney

 

I said one of my play styles relying on stealth won't work anymore. That doesn't mean I can't play her though :D

[Panocek]

4 minutes ago, Sink_Different said:

CV vs CV is not my problem. What interests me is if FDR became crap against surface ships or not with the skill rework.

 

CV vs CV might start becoming your problem, when more and more people start griefing the griefers with fighter builds

[CptBarney]

2 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

FDR got buff against surface ships

 

@CptBarney

 

I said one of my play styles relying on stealth won't work anymore. That doesn't mean I can't play her though :D

So FDR is sexy against Surface plebs noice.

 

I see, if akagi gets put into the game, she could get the skill "ITS THE COMMANDER?!!?!" and proceeds to go at 100 knots and ram the nearest enemy ship in a shower of love.

Also Prince of wales with Missile AA for memes.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

CV vs CV might start becoming your problem, when more and more people start griefing the griefers with fighter builds

Look at those glorious 44 planekills I managed with fighters and none of those kills are other fighter planes. Those are all strike planes. 

 

Ignore where I died with enterprise though I decided to push an Edin and it didn't work

 

[CptBarney]

22 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

Look at those glorious 44 planekills I managed with fighters and none of those kills are other fighter planes. Those are all strike planes. 

 

Ignore where I died with enterprise though I decided to push an Edin and it didn't work

 

LOOKS LIKE FIGHTERS ARE BAK ON DAH MENU BOIS!!!

[Aixin]

Vor 6 Stunden, Excavatus sagte:

Does not matter. 

FDR does not have the map control and game influence that midway / haku has. 

And lest accept that drop on halland was a very lucky one.. 

and yet FDR still lost.. 

 

I agree with @El2aZeR

A midway or haku would win that way more easily.. 

Still he was playing below the ships potential. That's what I wanted to point out. And that the others would win way easier is a given fact. 

[Nibenay78]

On 1/21/2021 at 10:30 AM, Zuihou_Kai said:

You really need to calm that anti CV Spiel. 

Why? I see no reason so far.

 

On 1/21/2021 at 10:30 AM, Zuihou_Kai said:

You can play CV different ways. Obviously parking CV as close to action as I do risking the hull every single game is not the objectively good and competetive way to play it. 

That doesn't mean Im not capable of playong it the correct way which isn't compromised at all by the commander changes so meh. 

As you could exchange "CV" with "BB" and it would fit in regards to CV rework :P

 

On 1/21/2021 at 10:30 AM, Zuihou_Kai said:

Yes its less fun, but that doesn't take away from the fun of well you know... collecting salt of enemy players by dominating the game. 

True, we're not here to have an enjoyable game and kick behind, but to purposely piss off people.

 

2 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

FDR very sad now 

Never been more happy to see a steelship I own get shafted by an update 

[COPlUM]

For 5 skillpoints (AR doesn't count, you take it anyway) You get 45% better AA on every BB : 10% from AAGunner + 25% from EAAM + avg 10% from AR
For 6 skillpoints (AR doesn't count, you take it anyway) You get 55% better AA on every CA : 20% from AAGunner + 25% from EAAM + avg 10% from AR

Many complain about CVs, I complain about CVs, but you lose the right to complain about CVs if you don't buff your AA by 45%-55% for 5-6 skillpoints

I've been messing around with full AA builds on many ships, they are viable again, so use them if you hate planes, it's not difficult, the option is there.
People gave up even trying to shoot down planes years ago, but with these AA builds (and picking DefAA instead of Hydro for the first time in years) it actually works.

AA does not work is what everyone said forever, it was true, AA didn't work, so people didn't even try to shoot down planes anymore. Now you actually can shoot down planes if you invest skillpoints and use sectors.

[CptBarney]

11 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

For 5 skillpoints (AR doesn't count, you take it anyway) You get 45% better AA on every BB : 10% from AAGunner + 25% from EAAM + avg 10% from AR
For 6 skillpoints (AR doesn't count, you take it anyway) You get 55% better AA on every CA : 20% from AAGunner + 25% from EAAM + avg 10% from AR

Many complain about CVs, I complain about CVs, but you lose the right to complain about CVs if you don't buff your AA by 45%-55% for 5-6 skillpoints

I've been messing around with full AA builds on many ships, they are viable again, so use them if you hate planes, it's not difficult, the option is there.
People gave up even trying to shoot down planes years ago, but with these AA builds (and picking DefAA instead of Hydro for the first time in years) it actually works.

AA does not work is what everyone said forever, it was true, AA didn't work, so people didn't even try to shoot down planes anymore. Now you actually can shoot down planes if you invest skillpoints and use sectors.

I hope so, the problem is the HE spam, can strip AA pretty quickly. We do need vids of this, hopefully the big bois can make some showing AA against top, almost top, very good, good, average, below average players too see who it effects more.

But thats going to take ages however.

[Capra76]

47 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

For 5 skillpoints (AR doesn't count, you take it anyway) You get 45% better AA on every BB : 10% from AAGunner + 25% from EAAM + avg 10% from AR
For 6 skillpoints (AR doesn't count, you take it anyway) You get 55% better AA on every CA : 20% from AAGunner + 25% from EAAM + avg 10% from AR

Many complain about CVs, I complain about CVs, but you lose the right to complain about CVs if you don't buff your AA by 45%-55% for 5-6 skillpoints

I've been messing around with full AA builds on many ships, they are viable again, so use them if you hate planes, it's not difficult, the option is there.
People gave up even trying to shoot down planes years ago, but with these AA builds (and picking DefAA instead of Hydro for the first time in years) it actually works.

AA does not work is what everyone said forever, it was true, AA didn't work, so people didn't even try to shoot down planes anymore. Now you actually can shoot down planes if you invest skillpoints and use sectors.

 

You make it sound like 6 points is nothing when many cruisers have mandatory other uses for the skill points and not everyone does take AR so it isn't free so what you've described is a 19 point build, how many players do you think have 19 point captains on every ship they play?

[COPlUM]

1 hour ago, Capra76 said:

not everyone does take AR

Everyone should, not taking it was stupid before, it's double stupid now, most powerful skill in the game for every ship in the game.

1 hour ago, Capra76 said:

how many players do you think have 19 point captains?

"Planes are bad, I hate planes, but I also can't be bothered to grind for the solution so I'll just complain instead"

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[1MajorKoenig]

1 hour ago, Capra76 said:

 

You make it sound like 6 points is nothing when many cruisers have mandatory other uses for the skill points and not everyone does take AR so it isn't free so what you've described is a 19 point build, how many players do you think have 19 point captains on every ship they play?

This forum will never cease to amaze!

 

First twey complain for ages that skilling into AA does have too little impact 

 

When it does - they complain about the (almost offensive) need to invest skill points (!)

 

 

THIS IS AWESOME! That’s showbiz!

[BLUB__BLUB]

4 hours ago, Aixin said:

Still he was playing below the ships potential. That's what I wanted to point out. And that the others would win way easier is a given fact. 

What he did wrong was, after that DM he went foir the BB. Should have went for the DD, but hey, it is a Halland. 

And if Halland not spotted, well, cannot have Great Flambino lose all planes to Halland dakka, cause reasons. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

4 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

True, we're not here to have an enjoyable game and kick behind, but to purposely piss off people.

pissing people off is equally enjoyable. I guess I'm a terrible person

 

1 hour ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

When it does - they complain about the (almost offensive) need to invest skill points (!)

 

it's peak hypocrisy and that's what we are here for aren't we? to observe it in nature. 

[GoTTa_Sm4ShDTr4sH]

@Zuihou_Kai 

Are you sure that this fighter build makes sense? Because as far as I've seen, even FDR planes can escape as soon as a fighter is placed directly on you. If you call back directly, that's no problem. I met a Haku myself today in ranked who tried this skill. I was in a Midway. It was annoying, sure, but it didn't bother me much. Finished the round with 180k and won. I tend to see the points as a waste. With which CV should it be worthwhile in your opinion (next to Enterprise as I see in the screenshots) And what do you do when your fighters are all out?

[COPlUM]

2 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

This forum will never cease to amaze!

First twey complain for ages that skilling into AA does have too little impact 

When it does - they complain about the (almost offensive) need to invest skill points (!)

Yup, the deadeye drama is even more amazing :
NOooOO SNIPER SKILL! SNIPING POTATO SINOP GOT 10% MORE ACCURATE.
Ok lol nobody cares, sniping potato sinop hasn't landed a shell in 3 weeks.

Everyone is suddenly terrified of a 38% winrate Großer Kurfürst sniping, right, he's totally going to break the game with his 10% accuracy buff lmao