General CV related discussions.

[Pikkozoikum]

7 minutes ago, AndyHill said:

Well that's pretty easy to test. I can't be arsed personally, but I'll get my popcorn ready for the stream if you find some forum unicums to play against. The maps should be available, I think.

Hmm, I dont see those maps in 1vs1 brawl

[GarrusBrutus]

56 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

The rework is way more fun to play against, then RTS.

Not in the slightest due to the fact that CV games have become the norm rather than the exception. I rather get dunked on by some CV main once every two weeks than by potatoes with MM monitor on and a boner for me, every other game.

[Sunleader]

4 hours ago, Farheim said:

YES, exactly. And the worst part - everyone expects you to do all that. Like nobody expects a BB to carry the team right? Or a cruiser. Even dd's, frankly all they need to do is 'not die in first 3 minutes' and that's enough to be complimented.

 

Aye.

But that too is a Testament to how much more Power a CV has.

Because lets Face it.

That Expectation is not unwarranted.

A Good CV can actually do this.

And if a CV doesnt do it. He is in Fact heavily Reducing the Teams Chances to Win.

 

I mean thats another thing here too.

You can Compensate for a Bad DD.

If he stays alive even better cause even if he does nothing him being there is useful.

 

And a Cruiser or BB being a Tato you can make up for even easier.

 

 

But if your CV is Crab. And the Enemy CV is not......

Yeah Good luck trying to Compensate for that.....

 

 

 

[DFens_666]

33 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

for 5 games?

Show me 100% WR with ~100 games or more

 

I wanna say @Sunleader hat 100% in the 1v1... since i cant see old data, im not entirely sure tho.

 

Anyway, the mode really was setup so that surface ships have a chance to cap, and then the points were ticking so fast it was basicly over right away. I mean, ive often said BBs are actually least effected by CVs, because of the HP, heals, torp protection and armor. Unless you can citadel them with AP bombs, they dont receive so much damage in the first place (or its wheelchair FDR with its insane bombs)

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Not in the slightest due to the fact that CV games have become the norm rather than the exception. I rather get dunked on by some CV main once every two weeks than by potatoes with MM monitor on and a boner for me, every other game.

Well, that's what I can understand, if you in general don't like CVs, than you go with the more rare occurrence.

But I have more fun against Rework CV, than against RTS CV.

 

I mean, the rework CV could still need a minor rework in my opinion, bit more complexity, some changes here and there. I would also love, if the burst damage of the AA sector change would be a manual aiming and instead of fix damage, it would cause a flak barrage

[AndyHill]

17 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Hmm, I dont see those maps in 1vs1 brawl

Yeah I can't find them either. I saw few matches from some kind of a 1v1 tournament a while back and I assumed they were fighting on the maps from the 1v1 mode. Maybe there are some maps that could approximate the mode?

[Pikkozoikum]

11 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

I wanna say @Sunleader hat 100% in the 1v1... since i cant see old data, im not entirely sure tho.

 

Anyway, the mode really was setup so that surface ships have a chance to cap, and then the points were ticking so fast it was basicly over right away. I mean, ive often said BBs are actually least effected by CVs, because of the HP, heals, torp protection and armor. Unless you can citadel them with AP bombs, they dont receive so much damage in the first place (or its wheelchair FDR with its insane bombs)

Ah you mean the brawl, well I had something like 40-3 with my Kii, need to take a look.

I lost all against BBs, though it could be 100% as well, if better played or not going afk ^^

 

But that's also why I like this more, with RTS, BBs got dev striked or flooded to death. If feels way better to play now a BB (espeically with weak AA) against a CV.

 

I think too many players are just used to the no-fly zone concept, or just forgot about the alpha damage and floods of RTS CVs.  When I play BB and take some damage from a CV, then I don't think like "Oh no, I got damage by an unstoppable power", I think more like "I took some damage, similar to what another ship would cause"

 

[Farheim]

38 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

You can Compensate for a Bad DD.

Oh, I've had a game once. We had no radar, 1 dd for each side, mine died in a first couple of minutes and the enemy was Halland who stayed alive for the entire match, I was playing Republique. And you know what? I'd take 10 double CV games over that kind of experience. 

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, Farheim said:

Oh, I've had a game once. We had no radar, 1 dd for each side, mine died in a first couple of minutes and the enemy was Halland who stayed alive for the entire match, I was playing Republique. And you know what? I'd take 10 double CV games over that kind of experience. 

Yep, had stuff like that often in BB as well.

[arquata2019_]

2 minuti fa, Farheim ha scritto:

Oh, I've had a game once. We had no radar, 1 dd for each side, mine died in a first couple of minutes and the enemy was Halland who stayed alive for the entire match, I was playing Republique. And you know what? I'd take 10 double CV games over that kind of experience. 

tier 4 says:

you guys want double cv games?

[Pikkozoikum]

6 hours ago, Farheim said:

Honestly sometimes CV feels like a nanny that needs to take care of too many kids. Oh look a baby peed himself,

I giggled a little :3

[Sunleader]

12 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Oh, I've had a game once. We had no radar, 1 dd for each side, mine died in a first couple of minutes and the enemy was Halland who stayed alive for the entire match, I was playing Republique. And you know what? I'd take 10 double CV games over that kind of experience. 

 

Thing is.

That will only Hold True if there either is no CV. Or your CV is a Useless Potato.

 

Otherwise. The Enemy DD will be Completely Useless. Even if its a Halland. Because even a Halland cannot hope to Stand against a Good CV Player that wants it Dead without effectively staying behind its Fleet where its next to useless.

[Farheim]

1 minute ago, Sunleader said:

That will only Hold True if there either is no CV.

There were no CV and that's the thing.

[Sunleader]

Just now, Farheim said:

There were no CV and that's the thing.

 

If there is no CV.

The DD is the most Influental Ship.

 

Thats Generally how things are.

Then again.

 

Even in that Scenario.

I will take a Useless DD in my Team and thus an Unchecked Halland on the Enemy Team over a Useless CV in my Team and an Unchecked CV on the Enemy Side any Day.

After all. The Enemy Halland can still only Block me so much.

Unlike an Unchecked Enemy CV. I can deal with that.

 

 

Also

Funny enough. Double CV Games tend to Decrease Influence for CVs.

Because 1 Potato CV vs 1 Good CV is a far Bigger Difference. Than 1 Potato CV + 1 Good CV vs 2 Potato CVs.

So I dont mind Double CV Games so much unless I am in DD.

(Because well. If your a DD and there is 2 CVs your Game is Basicly Complete ***** and just a Frustrating Waste of Time. Which is one of the few Exceptions where I would consider to just Yolo and get out. Cause I just dont wanna bother with that *****)

 

 

 

[Farheim]

Oh look one of those games. Can you win a game when your dd's dead from the start and enemy's alive and you have no radars? Nope, not a chance. Can you win a game when your cv is a retard and enemy's moderately compentent? Absolutely. 

[Capra76]

1 hour ago, Farheim said:

Oh, I've had a game once. We had no radar, 1 dd for each side, mine died in a first couple of minutes and the enemy was Halland who stayed alive for the entire match, I was playing Republique. And you know what? I'd take 10 double CV games over that kind of experience. 

 

Do you run RPF as a captain skill, if not why not?

[BLUB__BLUB]

3 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Oh look one of those games. Can you win a game when your dd's dead from the start and enemy's alive and you have no radars? Nope, not a chance. Can you win a game when your cv is a retard and enemy's moderately compentent? Absolutely. 

Why are you complaining.... look what I got...

 

[Farheim]

Just now, Capra76 said:

 

Do you run RPF as a captain skill, if not why not?

What would that change, would we somehow stopped being competely outspotted? I don't think so. And no I don'r run, only 15lvl captain.

[Sunleader]

6 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Oh look one of those games. Can you win a game when your dd's dead from the start and enemy's alive and you have no radars? Nope, not a chance. Can you win a game when your cv is a retard and enemy's moderately compentent? Absolutely. 

 

I would call BS on that.

I have Won Games in the Past where my Team had lost all of its DDs early fairly Often.

I have NEVER EVEN ONCE Won a Game where my CV did something Stupid and got himself Killed Early in the Game.

[Pikkozoikum]

4 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Oh look one of those games. Can you win a game when your dd's dead from the start and enemy's alive and you have no radars? Nope, not a chance. Can you win a game when your cv is a retard and enemy's moderately compentent? Absolutely. 

That's my experience. I believe almost, that some people think, this is something like counter strike, where everyone has same  chances. But this is a game with classes, and classes are not balanced against each other. There are no fair 1vs1. The only real balance could happen inbetween a class, but even that is difficult.

The only thing we can look at, if one class is way more influencial than another. CV and DD are both classes with a lot influence, but my point was, that the CV lost in influence and impact like the RTS had, that's one point, why I prefer the rework.

 

Just like you said, I struggle more with an enemy DD, than with a CV. Especially when playing BBs ^^

[Deckeru_Maiku]

4 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

I struggle more with an enemy DD, than with a CV. Especially when playing BBs ^^

 

Easy solution: just dodge...

[Pikkozoikum]

4 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Why are you complaining.... look what I got...

 

I played today a Ryujo game and we lost in 6 minutes something.There was also an Atlanta with 16 plane kills v_v

I could do 1 drop, then all planes gone

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Sunleader said:

 

I would call BS on that.

I have Won Games in the Past where my Team had lost all of its DDs early fairly Often.

I have NEVER EVEN ONCE Won a Game where my CV did something Stupid and got himself Killed Early in the Game.

Losing all DDs is not a default loss, you still can win. It's a team game, and if you got only bad DDs, but the rest of the team is still good enough, then you can win. But the chance to win is significant lower.

 

I actually saw CVs dying very early. Even myself once died fb, when I turned my CV early and a Repu one-shotted me ->66,6k dmg, RIP.
Though CVs are not designed for risking the vessel, so quite weird statement here.

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

 

Easy solution: just dodge...

That makes no sense, how do you dodge, when an enemy DD is capping or outspotting the team.

[Capra76]

13 minutes ago, Farheim said:

What would that change, would we somehow stopped being competely outspotted? I don't think so. And no I don'r run, only 15lvl captain.

 

In terms of direct damage from the DD it takes out 90% of it and if you're complaining about spotting and cross-fires and you're here to defend CV at the same time then me is all I can say.

 

And the fact that you don't run the skill shows just how relevant your argument is anyway.

[Pikkozoikum]

9 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

In terms of direct damage from the DD it takes out 90% of it and if you're complaining about spotting and cross-fires and you're here to defend CV at the same time then me is all I can say.

 

And the fact that you don't run the skill shows just how relevant your argument is anyway.

My Yoshino is not running RPF either, and that doesn't help against capping, spotting and getting pushed away. There is no need for RPF, if the DDs location is known anyways. Especially since the RPF is so inaccurate. Not saying RPF is useless, but not always worth the 4 points on any ship.

 

And how is he defending the CV, if he just prefers a CV match over a DD match? I see it the same. It's a personal prefence. Some people also prefer the RTS CV, so what