General CV related discussions.

[Farheim]

36 games in the last 7 days on cruisers, never gave a flying f... flight about CVs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[DFens_666]

25 minutes ago, Farheim said:

36 games in the last 7 days on cruisers, never gave a flying f... flight about CVs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

And how often did you see a CV in the first place? Not like, T9 is prone to seeing CVs in the first place amirite?

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

Well i meant like, heal up, wait for repair party/DCP come off cooldown... I usually liked to go agressively towards a cap with a Cruiser, to help my DDs. Cant do that, CV will come and annoy me to death. So i have to sit back for 6-8+ minutes till the enemies lose their marbles and suicide, then i can move up

That is a different problem. The red DD would detect you too, and the red BBs would try to shoot you.

 

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

well i mean, its not unnormal is it?

Who wants to get killed by planes in a shipgame 1-2 minutes into the game? Or even lose half your health in spawn and nothing can change that?

Who wants to be permaspotted all the time because one guy just picked that one ship and now thinks you are the one and you cant do ANYTHING about it?

CVs were part of ships, starting WW2. Submarines were earlier... might as well ban DDs. 

Because I wanna go sail broadside in my BB and just go boom-boom all day long. 

 

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

As i said earlier (or in another thread^^), removing the CV spotting would already help a lot, atleast in randoms.

Yes it would. It is no use to CVs themselves either. 2.5km spotting range on Dds, good luck finding them if they come after you.

And then WHEN you find them, they are a free-for-all for the rest of the team. What's the use of that? 

[Farheim]

8 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

And how often did you see a CV in the first place? Not like, T9 is prone to seeing CVs in the first place amirite?

U-huh, so now it's about the tier, not about the CVs? Well definitely not in all of them, but there were quite a few, I'd say 30-45% of the games. 

[neorvo]

6 minutes ago, Farheim said:

U-huh, so now it's about the tier, not about the CVs? Well definitely not in all of them, but there were quite a few, I'd say 30-45% of the games. 

In Tier IV i found many of them

[Farheim]

1 minute ago, neorvo said:

In Tier IV i found many of them

Tier 4 is unplayable right now, just like tier 7. Even as a CV apologist I can say that WG should nerf every t4 cv to the ground, like reduce damage by 60-70%, I would only applaud to that.

[DFens_666]

8 minutes ago, Farheim said:

U-huh, so now it's about the tier, not about the CVs? Well definitely not in all of them, but there were quite a few, I'd say 30-45% of the games. 

 

Well, also? I mean, i could just say, i dont mind CVs in DDs and then only play T2 DDs

General statements are usually misleading (or intential dishonest )

 

16 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

That is a different problem. The red DD would detect you too, and the red BBs would try to shoot you. 

 

Atleast there is a chance to kill the red DD with the help of my DD or with my Radar. Or atleast make him go away. Cant really do that against a CV.

 

17 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

CVs were part of ships, starting WW2. Submarines were earlier... might as well ban DDs. 

Because I wanna go sail broadside in my BB and just go boom-boom all day long. 

 

Doesnt mean that they should be in the game tho. Sure they were, and there were also other ships we actually dont have in the game (yet...?)

Properly balanced, i think Subs would fit better in the game than CVs. Atleast they have to risk their ship, and you can balance it in a way that they HAVE to do that. I just never had faith in WG balancing subs properly. Alltho it might be, that enough people would play subs on their own, so there might be no need to artificially make them unbalanced to keep numbers up.

 

20 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Yes it would. It is no use to CVs themselves either. 2.5km spotting range on Dds, good luck finding them if they come after you. 

 

I usually dont have many issues with finding DDs, and i dont play CVs often really.

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

9 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Atleast there is a chance to kill the red DD with the help of my DD or with my Radar. Or atleast make him go away. Cant really do that against a CV.

True, when he is not outside of radar range and such. 

Against a CV it is more like, you have a chance to disable his "turrets". 

And that is "chance" because it is pure RNG, sort of. 

 

9 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Doesnt mean that they should be in the game tho. Sure they were, and there were also other ships we actually dont have in the game (yet...?)

Ah well, the same thing could be said about Dds. But it is WeeGee that gives and takes.

It's not balanced at all though, and broken AF. Doesn't mean they can't be any good. Just WeeGee ff-ing it up.

If they did it right, it would be not much of a problem. 

 

9 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Properly balanced, i think Subs would fit better in the game than CVs. Atleast they have to risk their ship, and you can balance it in a way that they HAVE to do that. I just never had faith in WG balancing subs properly. Alltho it might be, that enough people would play subs on their own, so there might be no need to artificially make them unbalanced to keep numbers up.

When you play CV you DO risk the ship, at least if you do it properly (and yes if WeeGee makes it good,. subs could be nicer than CV).

Some CVs sit at the map border... yes with very fast planes you can do that. Like BBs sitting at the rear. 20Km Shima. 

But the impact is much larger if you go as close as you can. And then you sometimes get spotted, and deleted. 

 

9 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

I usually dont have many issues with finding DDs, and i dont play CVs often really.

10km wide area is quite large, and usually I play the CVs that have the slowest planes. 

The thing is, do you WANT to try and find the scrawny little buggers or would you rather torp some fat BB instead. 

And then you find a smoke cloud, you think "I have you now Shima" but dammit it is a Wooster and he dakkas all your planes. 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1 hour ago, Farheim said:

36 games in the last 7 days on cruisers, never gave a flying f... flight about CVs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

Maybe it would strengthen Your argument if You would list the Cruisers You've played...

Because AA isn't what it was before the reework, there are a few Cruisers that carry that "Ooh.. ooh... Here I am... come for me CV..." sign that others seem to carry around.

 

And of course it might also be interesting, in how many battles of those battles the CV around where of higher/same/lower tier than Your cruisers...

Things like that might have a CV just go after easier prey..

 

[Farheim]

26 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Maybe it would strengthen Your argument if You would list the Cruisers You've played...

There you go.
 

 

27 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

And of course it might also be interesting, in how many battles of those battles the CV around where of higher/same/lower tier than Your cruisers...

It might be interesting, but not relevant. I get the same MM as everyone else, sometimes being bottom tier, sometimes upper tier. And I'm talking about games in general, I can recall maybe 10 games since the rework when I got really annoyed by the CV. And that's why I don't undrestand ppl who cry about CVs ruining their game experience and the only explanations I have:
1. They're bad players who blame CVs for their failures
2. They play DDs
3. They're blind Flamu followers.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

18 minutes ago, Farheim said:

I get the same MM as everyone else, sometimes being bottom tier, sometimes upper tier.

Well, it's not about YOU being bottom or top... but if the CV you face is lower/same/higher tier than You. 

 

Fun fact: I've never had a battle - in no class I play - in which CVs ruined my "game experience" much. They are either a nuisance - when potato - or just take me out of the battle fast, so I jump into the next ship in harbour - when good CV players (which I rarely face in game it seems).

 

Still reeeworked CVs are a pita for the game globally and should be changed...

[BLUB__BLUB]

3 hours ago, Farheim said:

3. They're blind Flamu followers.

Man I'd give you +1 for that if we were in game. 

Deckeru_maiku is right though. The Reework didn't solve much. It DID make it more attractibve but that's just my opinion.

But... instead of fixing stuff, they removed some and brought in other problems. I was convinced they tried 'cyclone' in CB with CV to see if it would solve anything.

The largest issue with Cvs is the spotting. I'd say if they fixed that, it would be some relief. Instead they keep coming up with other crud (like FDR...). 

 

Also, I think my stats on that Donskoi make up the lacking % for 100... man I hate it and it hates me back, too. 

 

 

[DFens_666]

14 hours ago, Farheim said:

And that's why I don't undrestand ppl who cry about CVs ruining their game experience and the only explanations I have:

 

I was enjoying CBs more then randoms anyway, and i tend to play randoms only a little bit here and there. CVs ruined CBs for me, im not willing to be a punching bag, because the CVs you meet there are always good. They absolutely dont fit into smaller gamemodes, and that made me hate them even more than i already did.

Also another explanation is, that they just make me have less fun if there are CVs constantly in every game.Obviously fun is subjective, so you can just have a different opinion on that one.

[Farheim]

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

CVs ruined CBs for me

Ye, I guess that stalingrad circlejerk was soooo much fun, such a tragic loss for the community.

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Ye, I guess that stalingrad circlejerk was soooo much fun, such a tragic loss for the community.

 

I didnt have to play a specific ship before, i was forced to play Stalingrad and then Venezia because of CVs... so, your point wasnt a point for me at all.

[Capra76]

16 hours ago, Farheim said:

36 games in the last 7 days on cruisers, never gave a flying f... flight about CVs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

 

All of them in the sort of long range snipers with battleship level concealment that don't really suffer from CV spotting and can hang back and still function whilst being a low priority target for CV anyway.

[DasTongle]

17 minutes ago, Farheim said:

Ye, I guess that stalingrad circlejerk was soooo much fun, such a tragic loss for the community.

The Circlejerk with 2 Stalins was due to CVs and before that stalns got played rarely. Personally thinking a salem or a des moines would do a much better job than a Stalin.

You may chose to ignore that Battles went from tactical affairs to stupid first strike snipefests in CBs thanks to the almost instant spotting of the opponent. But it still is not even half as fun as it used to be. 

Especially since you at least have easy counter plays against Stalingrads.

[Farheim]

1 hour ago, Capra76 said:

All of them in the sort of long range snipers

I mean if you think riga and donskoi are long range snipers you clearly don't have much of a clue about how to play them propely. And Riga/Petro parked next to a cap is probably my highest priority target, second only to dds when I play a CV, because they're huge nuisance for my teammates and a (relatively) easy kill for me.

[Moosebloke]

Hi gents,

 

when will WG release uneven tier cvs? Will they do that?

 

Cheers

[CptBarney]

Makes me wonder why the first topic was even closed in the first place.

[Konffi]

Hello, didn't want to start a new tread so I will post it in here.

Did the Indomitable receive any buff that would make her at least a little bit worth buying or is she still the hot garbage she was when she released.

Thanks 

 

[AndyHill]

I can't recall any significant buffs to Indomitable that would make it a recommended buy.

[Bear__Necessities]

2 hours ago, CptBarney said:

Makes me wonder why the first topic was even closed in the first place.

because it hit just over 500 pages of utter BS going round in a circle of flying s**t

[Nov_A]

1 hour ago, AndyHill said:

I can't recall any significant buffs to Indomitable that would make it a recommended buy.

S T E E L    D E C K

[CptBarney]

2 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

because it hit just over 500 pages of utter BS going round in a circle of flying s**t

Same as this one really, might as well have both up or just kept the old one up for all this one has done.