General CV related discussions.

[DFens_666]

11 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

They were. The first season reworked-CVs were allowed I ranked out in Haku with a WR < 50% due to perma-star-saving. 

 

Exactly, and WG couldnt allow that. Because it showed, how influential they were (aka broken/OP).

So WG "fixed" it, by nerfing the XP gain - problem solved, makes CV look not as influential.

 

11 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

This is true but it is not really the thing.  

In Kaga I made ~100K damage, maybe 120 tops if it was a long game in ranked.

If the game was crap (all potato quickly to death) maybe 35-50K. 
IN BB, easy 100K every  time, usually 130-150. A bad game, at least 70k. 

 

Tried all CVs, best steady one is Kaga. After that Shokek and Parseval. 

Parseval is very occasional, if you have many cruisers then it is good. 

But usually you get 2 BBs, one CL and one DD and then it sucks (but you just kill the other CV instead).

 

Yes, but which ships do you usually shoot/attack with a CV or a BB?

F.e. you take a couple of minutes to kill a DD, thats 4 shots from a BB on a Cruiser or a BB. If you kill that DD yourself, thats like ~17k damage, maybe a bit more or less depending on which DD we are talking about. One Citadel from NC on a Cruiser is already 13k damage. But the Cruiser aint dead, yet the DD is. Even 4 salvoes dealing 5k damage each would probably give you more damage than the CV killing the DD.

If you could spot a DD while playing BB yourself, and kill it, you would also get less damage because your salvos will deal much less damage.

 

btw your damage numbers are exaggerated towards BBs

Difference is only 11k between Kaga and NC. If you would play Parseval, i think you would beat NC, maybe even with shokeks or lex.

[BLUB__BLUB]

BTW in case you are wondering why I play that cesspool called "ranked".... 

Spoiler

 

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

BTW in case you are wondering why I play that cesspool called "ranked".... 

 

[Bear__Necessities]

7 hours ago, Sunleader said:

*Its Impressive that you can Freely Speak English without needing notes or translations. But You sound like a Latino Rapperr from an old Movie.*

Thus, your new forum nickname was born.

 

Los Sunleader 

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Exactly, and WG couldnt allow that. Because it showed, how influential they were (aka broken/OP).

So WG "fixed" it, by nerfing the XP gain - problem solved, makes CV look not as influential.

Influence does not equal damage. 

 

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Yes, but which ships do you usually shoot/attack with a CV or a BB?

CV, depends on what they do. Not so much on what ship it is. Especially in ranked. 

I like Kaga because I can do anything with everything. As in, torps/bombs/rockets are all effective. 

Those 4 torps can really stop a DD from going into a cap.... make him change his mind. 

 

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

F.e. you take a couple of minutes to kill a DD, thats 4 shots from a BB on a Cruiser or a BB. If you kill that DD yourself, thats like ~17k damage, maybe a bit more or less depending on which DD we are talking about. One Citadel from NC on a Cruiser is already 13k damage. But the Cruiser aint dead, yet the DD is. Even 4 salvoes dealing 5k damage each would probably give you more damage than the CV killing the DD.

If you could spot a DD while playing BB yourself, and kill it, you would also get less damage because your salvos will deal much less damage.

I can't really kill DDs, well I can, but usually teammates kill the DDs that I am spotting/hunting. 

When they do not that is when you know you have a really crappy team...

But when they do it is of course no damage for you. But if you want to win in ranked, you must...

 

Also... if I spot a DD in a BB... and I have the HE loaded... he is usually dead in one shot. 

Because I am quite near. The only chance he has is when somebody else (like the CV) spots him, I might miss a bit. 

So when I spot a DD while I am in BB, there can be 2 things happening - he kills me or I kill him...

Might take a lot of damage, but usually he is dead (maybe I am too).

 

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

btw your damage numbers are exaggerated towards BBs

Difference is only 11k between Kaga and NC. If you would play Parseval, i think you would beat NC, maybe even with shokeks or lex.

Parseval can beat NC, but only if there is two cruisers (Parseval will snack on both of them). 

Shokek, depends on what ships you get as well. If Kansas, well, maybe not. If Tirpitz/Bismarck/Amagi, then yes.

 

I find it much easier to "save a star" with a BB. You might remember what I did with Hood in Narai... 

I'll not miss much and I know where/when to shoot.

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

15 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Yes I know, zero karma... 

 

Doubt if I'll use it much in randoms, but it is a must have. 

WeeGee decided T10 CB will have CV, so if the others bring it, so must we. 

[Prophecy82]

14 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Influence does not equal damage. 

That wasnt the point. IIRC they nerfed the XP-gain from spotting dmg for CVs into the ground.

It was way too easy to farm XP and as result always land on the first spot (aka save a star). 

 

Think of it as long range spam Conkek who sees everything on the map.... useless but always saving a star (worst case).

[Nibenay78]

I think US ships should be able to mount "proximity aa shells" that adds a few 100% increase in dps... very historical!

[arquata2019_]

happy new year everyone!

(including, but not limited to: Lootboxes, CVs, Subs, Detonations)

finally 2020 was very bad and we passed it, let's see how far of bad chart can we get into 2021!!

[159Hunter]

On 12/31/2020 at 12:19 PM, Bear__Necessities said:

Thus, your new forum nickname was born.

 

Los Sunleader 

You forgot something:

Los SunleaderOS

[BLUB__BLUB]

This is for everybody that picked up FDR.... man it is filthy... 

 

[musthir]

I hate carriers its impossible to play DD.

I dont get it. I hope WG loose money because new players doesn't want to play this game, i think they do.

 

 

 

[Nibenay78]

18 minutes ago, musthir said:

I hate carriers its impossible to play DD.

I dont get it. I hope WG loose money because new players doesn't want to play this game, i think they do.

 

 

 

Play hosho, kill a newbie and see what happens... (nothing mostly... wonder how many quit at tier 4)

[BLUB__BLUB]

59 minutes ago, musthir said:

I hate carriers its impossible to play DD.

It's not, CVs have been nerfed so much it is damn hard to kill a DD unless he is a tater or has bad luck. 

You'll just have to adapt - I regularly div up with a DD-main, in a CV. he has no problems, usually survives and ends top dog.
The thing is though, the spotting.... usually the DD gets killed because of that. No-smoke DDs... well... ehh... yes possible, but hard.

Then again, I don't hear those DDs whine when they score two BBs (that are also taters or have bad luck).

 

Also when teammates tater( and they do... a lot...) DDs can and will attack the CV. As they should. 

In the past it was easy to kill them... not so much anymore. IMO the nerfs are enough, just the spotting needs to go.

That isn't as much a nerf to CVs as it is a nerf to the rest of the team. And I'd applaud it. 8 km, that is plenty. 

 

Most nutty though (and I have seen them...) those that cry wolf i when in a DD, curse at CV et cetera

next game they are in a BB and they want the CV to kill the DD... LOLLLZzzz.

No mate you can do that yourself, I'm not gonna go after that Halland. You wanted CV nerf, you got it.

Now go have fun, that DD is YOUR problem now, as long as he doesn't get near me...  

 

59 minutes ago, musthir said:

I dont get it. I hope WG loose money because new players doesn't want to play this game, i think they do.

Indeed at T4 it is pure poison. I don;t know why they gave Hosho (and Langley) double torps. 

Grinded them when they had singles, which was bad enough. And then you can get 3 per side. 

It's just abnormal, really. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

7 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

Play hosho, kill a newbie and see what happens... (nothing mostly... wonder how many quit at tier 4)

none because they don't get matched against humans. 

[Bear__Necessities]

15 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

CVs have been nerfed so much it is damn hard to kill a DD unless he is a tater or has bad luck.

That's not quite true at all. It's still very easy.

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 minute ago, Bear__Necessities said:

That's not quite true at all. It's still very easy.

I'd think it is far easier to slam a BB for 25-50% of his HP. 

At least they won't manoeuvre hard, they won't smoke up and they'll not be going fast anywhere. 

Also, since you spot them  at 10 km+, you can take your time and see what angle of approach you want to use. 

lastly, they'll have plenty room to accomodate around 6-8 torpedoes or at least a few bombs.

 

 

 

 

[arquata2019_]

16 ore fa, Nibenay78 ha scritto:

Play hosho, kill a newbie and see what happens... (nothing mostly... wonder how many quit at tier 4)

 

8 ore fa, Zuihou_Kai ha scritto:

none because they don't get matched against humans. 

protected MM.

ofc if it is outside the protected mm and it sails in random it must be a brave man (and thinking man xD)

[Yosha_AtaIante]

23 minutes ago, arquata2019 said:

 

protected MM.

ofc if it is outside the protected mm and it sails in random it must be a brave man (and thinking man xD)

T4 is a joke. It's not nearly as bad as many here say. T4 CVs are terrible to be a threat to any decent surface ship player. And a unicum Hosho will rather abandon striking you and go for easier targets. 

[Nibenay78]

9 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

none because they don't get matched against humans. 

What's the limit.. 200 matches before you go against humans? In any case that limit is way too low to be meaningful iirc.

[arquata2019_]

@El2aZeR i again need tips from you on cvs, i once got to 58,46%~ wr with midway, and now (with beautiful people) got to 57.61%~.

there are two questions here:  1) how can i play solo in midway and winning most of the battles like you do?

2) and about pr, should i kill more people to get higher pr? because in last battle i got a kraken, (i know medals wont count) 267k damage and i got +6 pr on midway (and i lost it)

 and a third: may i see one replay of your midway? (i would like to have a recent one) i am looking at player strategies to play midway (mostly unicums but ok)

[Yosha_AtaIante]

54 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

What's the limit.. 200 matches before you go against humans? In any case that limit is way too low to be meaningful iirc.

Dude you are done with t4 after 40~ battles no one will ever be stuck for more than that in those tiers. 

[Pikkozoikum]

On 12/31/2020 at 12:29 PM, Prophecy82 said:

That wasnt the point. IIRC they nerfed the XP-gain from spotting dmg for CVs into the ground.

It was way too easy to farm XP and as result always land on the first spot (aka save a star). 

 

Think of it as long range spam Conkek who sees everything on the map.... useless but always saving a star (worst case).

Hmm, I thought CVs have higher EXP income for spotting, but have an overall lower base exp gain?

[BLUB__BLUB]

4 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Hmm, I thought CVs have higher EXP income for spotting, but have an overall lower base exp gain?

AFAIK you get nothing at all for spotting.

At least not for "damage upon your spotting". 

[Pikkozoikum]

1 hour ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

AFAIK you get nothing at all for spotting.

At least not for "damage upon your spotting". 

Spotting damage is mostly the only source for spotting exp?