General CV related discussions.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1 hour ago, tocqueville8 said:

Kind of a petty thing to say.

I haven't been playing this game since its beginnings, but there were CVs back then already.

Fun fact: in those olden days the player did control the CV as much as the squads of planes, while now the CV gets "autopiloted" and the real vessels the player controls directly are planes...

I've been playing this game also since it's beginnings. Even CVs. And I also think that reeeworked CVs are not good for the game.

[tocqueville8]

Just now, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Fun fact: in those olden days the player did control the CV as much as the squads of planes, while now the CV gets "autopiloted" and the real vessels the player controls directly are planes...

Uhm...yeah, I assumed we're all familiar with that fact.

 

Just now, Deckeru_Maiku said:

I've been playing this game also since it's beginnings. Even CVs. And I also think that reeeworked CVs are not good for the game.

I dunno, I just don't find them more annoying than half a dozen other things about this game.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

20 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Uhm...yeah, I assumed we're all familiar with that fact.

 

I dunno, I just don't find them more annoying than half a dozen other things about this game.

 

Ah.. so we here two things we often see in this forum... assumptions and personal opinions...

 

As facts: there already players in the game (and even here in the forum) that did not play before the reeework and therefor might not be familiar with that fact. And, as this threat proves, there are quite a few players that do see reeeworked CVs as the pinnacle of annoyment.

 

People, ey? All them be different...

[tocqueville8]

Just now, Deckeru_Maiku said:

As facts: there already players in the game (and even here in the forum) that did not play before the reeework and therefor might not be familiar with that fact.

 

As a matter of fact, I didn't play CVs before the rework, I only saw replays on Jingles's channel. Still, it seemed polite to me to assume that in the CV thread people with lots of battles would know what the famed rework was about, that's all.

 

Just now, Deckeru_Maiku said:

And, as this threat proves, there are quite a few players that do see reeeworked CVs as the pinnacle of annoyment.

There are indeed and I respect that opinion. I just said mine is different.

[Just_a_bit_meh]

9 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

As a matter of fact, I didn't play CVs before the rework, I only saw replays on Jingles's channel. Still, it seemed polite to me to assume that in the CV thread people with lots of battles would know what the famed rework was about, that's all.

 

There are indeed and I respect that opinion. I just said mine is different.

On and on and on....I am starting to think you work for Wargamings CV department...nothing but splitting hairs...ignoring facts and defending the worst part of world of warships...or maybe you get off on this...hmmm

 

[tocqueville8]

Just now, Just_a_bit_meh said:

I am starting to think you work for Wargamings CV department

Welp, my cover is blown!

Just now, Just_a_bit_meh said:

ignoring facts

What "facts"?

 

Look, I'm trying to help other players.

It is much, much easier for the CV to damage DDs that keep their AA on at all times, BBs that sail in straight lines with no reason to do so other than that they've simply given up on evading plane attacks, and so on. That's like complaining that smoke doesn't hide you from radar, or that you can't show broadside to a BB with impunity.

 

Now, there are plenty of great players that complain about CVs and have reasonable suggestions about them, but there's also plenty of inexperienced players who are told you can't do a thing about CVs, so they don't even bother, then they die, then they complain.

 

Meanwhile, the last game I was in had 4 DDs per side, 4 radars on the enemy team, 0 radars on ours. Despite being in a TRB Yugumo, I would've much preferred playing against a CV, but with a decent radar balance.

EDIT: the next game I was in had CVs (a Midway on each side), and radars were 2v2. It was much more enjoyable.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

22 minutes ago, Just_a_bit_meh said:

On and on and on....I am starting to think you work for Wargamings CV department...nothing but splitting hairs...ignoring facts and defending the worst part of world of warships...or maybe you get off on this...hmmm

 

Your levels of salt and your tendency to make bad assumptions about others is something unseen for quite some time. And I suggest you change that. 

Just because you and some others hate CV's doesn't mean everyone needs to share your opinon. 

Also I want you to share your facts with us with proof obviously

[UnderDuress]

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20201226/eu_2month/average_class_u.html

 

div	name	class	players	total battles	average of rates
					battles	win	draw	lose	exp	damage caused	warship destroyed	aircraft destoryed	base capture	base defense	survived	kill / death	agro damage	spot damage	hit ratio
1	BB	Higher Tier	168488	8708808	51.69	50.02	0.02	49.96	1537	67790	0.71	3.36	3.33	4.13	36.16	1.11	1261786	18095	28.84
1	CA	Higher Tier	144859	6528633	45.07	50.04	0.02	49.94	1515	54068	0.61	3.18	6.22	6.60	33.14	0.91	863367	17611	32.86
1	CV	Higher Tier	39992	884358	22.11	50.05	0.03	49.92	1650	67805	0.86	4.08	0.63	11.72	72.69	3.15	251743	62297	0.00
1	DD	Higher Tier	107364	4593952	42.79	50.05	0.02	49.92	1527	38203	0.66	2.20	30.35	5.78	29.72	0.94	455601	33138	42.48

Nice class balancing WG, but people aren’t using CVs to cap so some buffs needed there me thinks. Maybe make fighters able to cap?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

LOL

 

@El2aZeR

 

look. 

[Nibenay78]

1 hour ago, UnderDuress said:

 

Nice class balancing WG, but people aren’t using CVs to cap so some buffs needed there me thinks. Maybe make fighters able to cap?

Just smack on some 700mm plates all over the sides and bow. We can leave the stern as a "weak spot". Should be all good and increase immersion and verisimilitude!

[El2aZeR]

[Bear__Necessities]

9 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

Despite being in a TRB Yugumo, I would've much preferred playing against a CV, but with a decent radar balance.

But why. A TRB Yugumo should have no issues against radar ships. At all.

[159Hunter]

3 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

But why. A TRB Yugumo should have no issues against radar ships. At all.

Hold my beer...

[tocqueville8]

30 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

But why. A TRB Yugumo should have no issues against radar ships. At all.

It's not radar per se, it's the lack of balance with the teams. As I said, there were 4 DDs per side, so radar was crucial: the game was a blowout.

I did my job spotting, contesting caps and torping away, and I didn't get sunk after all, but it's kinda hard doing anything when you're pushed by a Black followed by a Stalingrad (or Petro, I forgot) and a Missouri.

[Morski_vulk]

As per my opinion right now CVs are extremely OP especially in ranked/random battles. I tried to compare dmg done with HE shells from COSSACK to VLADIVOSTOK and  to GRAF ZEPPELIN - 39 hits to both ships. Dammage done to VLADIVOSTOK - 6416, dammage done to GRAFF ZEPPELIN - 1422. In the same moment GRAF ZEPPELIN did 35 shells from his secondaries to COSSACK for 11 889 and 5 rockets for 6112. How comes BBs with very thick shell getting more dmg then CVs with less thickness, main guns of DDs making 9.5 ( almost 10 ) times less dmg then secondaries of CVs. Also CV dammaged two of my modules (turnets and torpedo tubes) even my commander trained PM. This incapacitated my ship and there was no chance to sink him. In the same moment you can not prevent CV to rise planes or completely to dmg secondarioes. If this is not OP ships I don't know what is OP then. To ballance game CVs shuld be more vulnarable, to making less dmg especially to DDs and range of plans to be restricted for example around 20 km from mother vessel.

[Sunleader]

On 12/29/2020 at 1:09 AM, bakmaita said:

He's German, most likely :)
In German, all nouns are capitalized.

 

On 12/29/2020 at 2:05 AM, arquata2019 said:

that's cool

 

 

On 12/29/2020 at 3:17 AM, Deckeru_Maiku said:

afaik he is...

But that strange way of writing, with all that messed up punctuation and shiet and those capitalization of some words - which aren't all nouns usually - is more some weird personal
trademark and has not much to do with him being german.

I mean, look at me... I'm probably german* for longer than @Sunleader and I still manage to write - mostly** - properly.

 

* 'Cause I'm sixty years already, meaning I'm being german for quite a while already...

 

** I suffered a light stroke in September, which damaged part of my language center in my brain, making me swapping letters when talking or writing and also mix up meanings sometimes... most typos are usually just... typos...
Doesn't explain any potato-esque actions I do in game though... that's also just natural poor old me at work...

 

yeah, being german is really f*cking cool...

A few People already know the Second Half of that Story. So I.ll give a small Bonus.

 

A bit over 20 ago. I went to a Middle School which is explicitly Aiming for Highschool Degrees that then go into Legal or Medical University.

As such. Instead of English I actually had Latin Classes.

 

However. During Training I ended up Injured pretty badly.

I dont really Remember that Week.

Because parts of my Intestines were literally outside my belly and the Doctor gave me a Shot to Sedate me as I wasnt exactly Cooperative with the Pain I had.

I received Emergency Surgery the same Day and woke up a few Days Later.

Unable to Stand up or Walk...

Took me several Weeks to get up and Running again.

 

Thing is. I missed a ton of Classes. And was completely unable to keep up.

On top another Student picked a Fight with me. Kicking my Desk while I was sitting there. Causing it to ram straight into my Belly and opening the Wound from Surgery...

Needless to say that with the Pain I was even less Cooperative than with the Doctor.

So while Bleeding into my Pants I smashed the Desk into his Face.

 

Another week off...

My Choice was to Change Schools or Repeat the Year.

Or rather my Parents Choice. I was not Asked really lol.

 

So I joined a Class of People that already had English for over a Year.

I catched up only very slowly.

 

Then. Our English Teacher got Pregnant and was gone for 2 and a Half Years.

The Guy standing in was a Math Teacher who didnt Speak English.

So that was about what I got in terms of English Classes.

 

 

Instead. On an Online Game Named Tibia. I joined a German Guild. (Because well. I did not speak English xD )

But we were Allied with a Brazillian Guild.

So over Time. I spoke with them and Learned English in Chat.

 

 

 

Now. 

 

I never learned English Grammar or Writing properly.

So I just adapt it from German.

Including usage of Capital Letters.

 

I never actually Learned English by Translation either. I just learned by Speaking it. So I often actually dont know if an English Word is a Noun.

Fun Fact. Even nowdays I actually have to Google English Words for their German Translation. Because I use the Word in English and know  what it means. But dont know how it Translates.

 

And. Tibia was a One Line Chat.

So up to this Day I have a Habit of pressing Enter after each Statement I make.

Because what I write is not really a Text or Letter.

Its actually more like me Writing Down what I say in my Head.

 

 

 

My English Teacher during my later Apprenticechip actually said something good.

 

We had Homework to Write a Description of an Electronical Part of our Choice in English and Read it as a Presentation.

I forgot. But as at this Point it didnt really matter. Cause I dont need a Transkation anyways. When I speak English I think in English too.

So I just Improvised the Description out of my Head.

 

The Teacher noticed. But let it Slide since I didnt really need that kind of excercise anyways.

 

She commented however.

*Its Impressive that you can Freely Speak English without needing notes or translations. But You sound like a Latino Rapperr from an old Movie.*

 

 

I really need to Save a Link to this Post considering how often this gets Asked....

[Yosha_AtaIante]

God I love this thread

[BLUB__BLUB]

6 hours ago, Sunleader said:

She commented however.

*Its Impressive that you can Freely Speak English without needing notes or translations. But You sound like a Latino Rapperr from an old Movie.*

That's about right indeed. But it is fine. 
Ifthey whine - let the rockets do the talking... 

[BLUB__BLUB]

9 hours ago, Morski_vulk said:

As per my opinion right now CVs are extremely OP especially in ranked/random battles. I tried to compare dmg done....

In ranked? Took out Kaga, never ended top. And I am quite savvy with that thing.... 

Then took NC, with a 3 point captain... ended top most of the time. And I'm quite potato in that. 

 

CVs are broken, but damage? Nah. 

[DFens_666]

19 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

In ranked? Took out Kaga, never ended top. And I am quite savvy with that thing.... 

Then took NC, with a 3 point captain... ended top most of the time. And I'm quite potato in that. 

 

CVs are broken, but damage? Nah. 

 

Well, they just nerfed CV XP because they had to. If i kill 1~1,5 DDs in Enty, i cant make first place. In any other ship, thats basicly guaranteed first place. With Albemarle, i had like double the XP than the 2nd killing 1,5 Akizukis (and farming some BBs with HE).

If CVs would follow the same rule as others, they would probably be first in XP all the time. Ofc having different rules to cover up the fact, that CVs are broken/OP, is just ridiculous.

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Well, they just nerfed CV XP because they had to. If i kill 1~1,5 DDs in Enty, i cant make first place. In any other ship, thats basicly guaranteed first place. With Albemarle, i had like double the XP than the 2nd killing 1,5 Akizukis (and farming some BBs with HE).

If CVs would follow the same rule as others, they would probably be first in XP all the time. Ofc having different rules to cover up the fact, that CVs are broken/OP, is just ridiculous.

 

This is true but it is not really the thing.  

In Kaga I made ~100K damage, maybe 120 tops if it was a long game in ranked.

If the game was crap (all potato quickly to death) maybe 35-50K. 
IN BB, easy 100K every  time, usually 130-150. A bad game, at least 70k. 

 

Tried all CVs, best steady one is Kaga. After that Shokek and Parseval. 

Parseval is very occasional, if you have many cruisers then it is good. 

But usually you get 2 BBs, one CL and one DD and then it sucks (but you just kill the other CV instead).

[Prophecy82]

7 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

If CVs would follow the same rule as others, they would probably be first in XP all the time.

They were. The first season reworked-CVs were allowed I ranked out in Haku with a WR < 50% due to perma-star-saving. 

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 minute ago, Prophecy82 said:

They were. The first season ranked I ranked out in Haku with a WR < 50% due to perma-star-saving. 

I remember when it was T8 1 vs 1, used Lexington... 

[Prophecy82]

Just now, BLUB__BLUB said:

I remember when it was T8 1 vs 1, used Lexington... 

 

Nah, there I used an IFHE-RPF-Mansec Gascogne for the lols.  

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, Prophecy82 said:

Nah, there I used an IFHE-RPF-Mansec Gascogne for the lols.  

Yeah seen a lot of Bismarcks then as well. 

They never saw me though.