General CV related discussions.

[Sunleader]

41 minutes ago, Systergummi said:

So we all know that CVs are a sh*t show. In short they make the game less fun for all but them selves and render good tactics bad.

 

WG seem to want it this way, but please can you atleast make them vulnerable. Let them burn like they used to, let them be unable to launch planes while the deck is on fire.

 

Would that really render them useless?

 

Do they always have to be the last vessel floating?

 

Cant we atleast try it?

 

Problem is. CVs right now are Frustrating and Boring to Play even for CV Players.

The only People left to Enjoy CVs is the People that Play them pretty much only Because they are Overpowered.

And thats the Problem really. Because if the Official Target of Wargaming is to Increase Popularity of CVs and the only Interesting Point that makes People Play CVs is CVs being Overpowered. Then any Change that makes them less Overpowered will automaticly also Reduce their Popularity which WG doesnt want.

 

Thats why there really isnt too much Hope that WG will do anything noteworthy about it.

 

At this Point. My Last Hope for this Game is that Submarines are Added Quickyl and Maintain a Decent Immunity from CVs. Thus Submarines taking over the further out Positions from Destroyers and Massively Decreasing Influence of Carriers because unlike DDs which they can Block from doing these Jobs. Them not being able to Block Submarines in the same Way.

[arquata2019_]

2 minuti fa, Sunleader ha scritto:

 

Problem is. CVs right now are Frustrating and Boring to Play even for CV Players.

The only People left to Enjoy CVs is the People that Play them pretty much only Because they are Overpowered.

And thats the Problem really. Because if the Official Target of Wargaming is to Increase Popularity of CVs and the only Interesting Point that makes People Play CVs is CVs being Overpowered. Then any Change that makes them less Overpowered will automaticly also Reduce their Popularity which WG doesnt want.

 

Thats why there really isnt too much Hope that WG will do anything noteworthy about it.

 

At this Point. My Last Hope for this Game is that Submarines are Added Quickyl and Maintain a Decent Immunity from CVs. Thus Submarines taking over the further out Positions from Destroyers and Massively Decreasing Influence of Carriers because unlike DDs which they can Block from doing these Jobs. Them not being able to Block Submarines in the same Way.

about subs, i don't know what to expect (how to deal with them and adapt and get used to them in randoms to see them)

but

why

do you always write like this? Today Was A Very (non) Nice Day. (i mean, why caps everytime? it's faster to write this way)

[bakmaita]

22 minutes ago, arquata2019 said:

about subs, i don't know what to expect (how to deal with them and adapt and get used to them in randoms to see them)

but

why

do you always write like this? Today Was A Very (non) Nice Day. (i mean, why caps everytime? it's faster to write this way)

He's German, most likely :)
In German, all nouns are capitalized.

[arquata2019_]

55 minuti fa, bakmaita ha scritto:

He's German, most likely :)
In German, all nouns are capitalized.

that's cool

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1 hour ago, bakmaita said:

He's German, most likely :)
In German, all nouns are capitalized.

afaik he is...

But that strange way of writing, with all that messed up punctuation and shiet and those capitalization of some words - which aren't all nouns usually - is more some weird personal
trademark and has not much to do with him being german.

I mean, look at me... I'm probably german* for longer than @Sunleader and I still manage to write - mostly** - properly.

 

* 'Cause I'm sixty years already, meaning I'm being german for quite a while already...

 

** I suffered a light stroke in September, which damaged part of my language center in my brain, making me swapping letters when talking or writing and also mix up meanings sometimes... most typos are usually just... typos...
Doesn't explain any potato-esque actions I do in game though... that's also just natural poor old me at work...

 

1 hour ago, arquata2019 said:

that's cool

 

yeah, being german is really f*cking cool...

[Just_a_bit_meh]

15 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

Says the guy with 378 games in the Hosho...

I tried the rework...saw it was OP...deleted all CV's I had.

[Von_Snuff]

I just want to say I really really and REALLY hate games with CV in the game! I dont like to play it, and when the CV pilot attacs you, there is nothing to be done, game over!

Its just edited*
I know this has been said alot, I just want to throw my voice in also.

 

+1 vote to remove CV! or atleast make it an option to opt out of CV battles.

 

edit: language please

[Just_a_bit_meh]

so...WoW forum is too harsh for swear words...especially for all the CV snowflakes out here. Ok... let's try this for all CV players and wargaming: 

 

1. Stop ruining this once fun game by playing CV's

2. History of the game proves far better growth without CV's

3. It will only be a matter of time before paying players like myself quit if this continues.

4. This post should now be obvious to all what we think of CV'S

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Vor 2 Stunden, Just_a_bit_meh sagte:

so...WoW forum is too harsh for swear words...especially for all the CV snowflakes out here. Ok... let's try this for all CV players and wargaming: 

 

1. Stop ruining this once fun game by playing CV's

2. History of the game proves far better growth without CV's

3. It will only be a matter of time before paying players like myself quit if this continues.

4. This post should now be obvious to all what we think of CV'S

1 No

2 there were always CVs so that can't be proven

3 That's good please do

4 Yes same old since 2 years. 

[tocqueville8]

6 hours ago, Just_a_bit_meh said:

I tried the rework...saw it was OP...deleted all CV's I had.

You had to play 378 games in the Hosho to figure out it was OP? mmmkay

[Just_a_bit_meh]

2 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

You had to play 378 games in the Hosho to figure out it was OP? mmmkay

I realised how bad they were after the rework and deleted...too difficult to understand?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

6 minutes ago, Just_a_bit_meh said:

I realised how bad they were after the rework and deleted...too difficult to understand?

Your Hosho doesn't even prove your own point as in CVs being bad to the game certainly not in your hands so I have no idea why I should care about you calling me a fanboy at all

[tocqueville8]

Just now, Just_a_bit_meh said:

I realised how bad they were after the rework and deleted...too difficult to understand?

Uhm...all your 378 Hosho games are from after the rework, aren't they?

[Just_a_bit_meh]

It's like talking to a brick wall....Yes, I had games in the Hoshu....that does not mean that CV's must be good....I also deleted the Hoshu...Or to put it in another way so simpletons can understand...I used to believe in god...now I am an atheist. I don't care for stats. I am not unicum...just an average Joe who used to enjoy the game like millions of others...and we (the majority) hate CV's ..is that clear enough for edited

[tocqueville8]

Vor 1 Stunde, Just_a_bit_meh sagte:

It's like talking to a brick wall....Yes, I had games in the Hoshu....that does not mean that CV's must be good....I also deleted the Hoshu...Or to put it in another way so simpletons can understand...I used to believe in god...now I am an atheist. I don't care for stats. I am not unicum...just an average Joe who used to enjoy the game like millions of others...and we (the majority) hate CV's ..is that clear enough for edited

edited

 

You're saying you deleted your Hosho "after the rework", when you figured out how OP she was. That suggests she became more OP after the rework, at which point you deleted her in disgust.

 

Thing is, you only got the Hosho in the summer of 2019, way after the rework (early 2019), so what you're saying is either that it took you 378 games to figure out she's horridly OP, which would make *you* the simpleton in this story, or that you figured it out, as expected, in 10 games or so (one doesn't even need to grind any upgrades for the planes), but you still decided to inflict her on the playerbase for another 350+ games, only to then come here and complain about CVs ruining everyone's fun. Which would make you a hypocrite.

[arquata2019_]

Vor 1 Stunde, Just_a_bit_meh sagte:

It's like talking to a brick wall....Yes, I had games in the Hoshu....that does not mean that CV's must be good....I also deleted the Hoshu...Or to put it in another way so simpletons can understand...I used to believe in god...now I am an atheist. I don't care for stats. I am not unicum...just an average Joe who used to enjoy the game like millions of others...and we (the majority) hate CV's ..is that clear enough for edited

yea cvs are cool, but you know that everybody is wasting energy to write things that wg will never implement or care about? and,

i sold hakuryu 2 times for the reason "too op" a while ago (i bought it again and got to qualifications on silver league but ok)

Vor 2 Stunden, Just_a_bit_meh sagte:

3. It will only be a matter of time before paying players like myself quit if this continues.

everyone, EVERYONE, always say "i am leaving this game" "i pay (ultrasuperhigh number of €€) a day wg and i am willing to stop paying" "i am a GoOD CusToMer ANd I sPend MoNey and i will spot doing so!"

but,

magically,

you still spend many €€ a day to wg, you still remain in the game, you still pay wg... i mean.... why? why would you continue to do so if you can't understand its a waste? to try and say "with more money wg will improve" kek

[floribe2000]

I removed some posts and edited some more. Please avoid insults and watch your language.

[Just_a_bit_meh]

1 hour ago, arquata2019 said:

yea cvs are cool, but you know that everybody is wasting energy to write things that wg will never implement or care about? and,

i sold hakuryu 2 times for the reason "too op" a while ago (i bought it again and got to qualifications on silver league but ok)

everyone, EVERYONE, always say "i am leaving this game" "i pay (ultrasuperhigh number of €€) a day wg and i am willing to stop paying" "i am a GoOD CusToMer ANd I sPend MoNey and i will spot doing so!"

but,

magically,

you still spend many €€ a day to wg, you still remain in the game, you still pay wg... i mean.... why? why would you continue to do so if you can't understand its a waste? to try and say "with more money wg will improve" kek

almost true...I quit world of tanks for similar reasons (arty reasons and pay to win...) I really enjoy WoW...just CV's are untouchable...yes I played to see what the fuss was all about...30 odd games...but as time passed it became clear that playing against a cv is simply NO FUN (the whole reason we play the game!!) I refuse to accept that there is nothing wargaming can do, it just means enough players need to revolt.

[tocqueville8]

Just now, Just_a_bit_meh said:

just CV's are untouchable...yes I played to see what the fuss was all about...30 odd games

 

You played 429 CV games, the vast majority of them in the Hosho, arguably the most powerful CV tier-for tier.

How is that "30 odd games, just to see what the fuss was all about"?

[Kazomir]

On 12/28/2020 at 1:24 AM, John_Selfprinter said:

It is equivalent of torps sent/shells in the air. You cannot stop those to make damage just because the one who sent them died

Yes, but you release torps/shells while you are still alive, and once released you dont have control of them, they are inert dumb warheads flying without guidance.

 

Once a player dies, he should not be able to have input on the game. That's the point of death. Add this to the sheer ridiculous survivability a CV at a higher tier has, the BB Level Health, the Armored decks that repel arcing HE and AP shells, the minuscule damage Fire does to them (arguably one of the most flammable class IRL) and the impossibility of a Detonation.

[tocqueville8]

Just now, Kazomir said:

Once a player dies, he should not be able to have input on the game.

Players don't die (hopefully), it's just the ship that sinks.

 

Since CV players have to divide their time between flying planes and driving the CV, it makes perfect sense to let them fly around the last squadron once the ship is sunk. Once the squadron is gone, they indeed can give no more input. Planes aren't remote-controlled by the CV like the battle droids in the Phantom Menace...

[DFens_666]

7 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Since CV players have to divide their time between flying planes and driving the CV, it makes perfect sense to let them fly around the last squadron once the ship is sunk. Once the squadron is gone, they indeed can give no more input. Planes aren't remote-controlled by the CV like the battle droids in the Phantom Menace...

 

Then you could also say, ships should be able to use their guns aslong as they are not completely drowned under water because why not?

CVs didnt have that feature before, they certainly dont need a 2 or 3 minute window now. You should be able to designate a target and AI attacks for you - that would be the only fair way.

[Sub_Human]

19 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

Problem is. CVs right now are Frustrating and Boring to Play even for CV Players.

The only People left to Enjoy CVs is the People that Play them pretty much only Because they are Overpowered.

And thats the Problem really. Because if the Official Target of Wargaming is to Increase Popularity of CVs and the only Interesting Point that makes People Play CVs is CVs being Overpowered. Then any Change that makes them less Overpowered will automaticly also Reduce their Popularity which WG doesnt want.

 

Thats why there really isnt too much Hope that WG will do anything noteworthy about it.

 

At this Point. My Last Hope for this Game is that Submarines are Added Quickyl and Maintain a Decent Immunity from CVs. Thus Submarines taking over the further out Positions from Destroyers and Massively Decreasing Influence of Carriers because unlike DDs which they can Block from doing these Jobs. Them not being able to Block Submarines in the same Way.

You are probably right, every time I try to think about this I come to the same conclution.

 

WG want to make CVs popular no matter what it costs. In due time they will sell the antidote as well.

 

I have adapted as a DD-player and Im winning more games now then before the rework. Its not impossible to play. I do however not play above t8 without a div mate. Because the meta in t10 is so bad, CVs long range radar and accurate HE snipers all have their part in this.

 

The addition of subs will hopefully turn things on its head.

 

For now Im kinda content with playing t6 and bronze league ranked t8 where only t8 CVs exist and no one is uptiered.

 

Still making CVs a bit more vulnerable is in no way unreasonable. 

[UnderDuress]

18 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Players don't die (hopefully), it's just the ship that sinks.

And the crew in the lifeboats should provide spotting for a few minutes too?

 

20 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Since CV players have to divide their time between flying planes and driving the CV, it makes perfect sense to let them fly around the last squadron once the ship is sunk. 

Just adding “it makes perfect sense” between 2 statements doesn’t make it actually make sense.

[tocqueville8]

5 hours ago, UnderDuress said:

And the crew in the lifeboats should provide spotting for a few minutes too?

 

Huh, no: you need range finders to spot and radio equipment to communicate the data to other ships, so it makes sense that if the ship is sunk, the crew on the lifeboats can't do anything.

5 hours ago, UnderDuress said:

Just adding “it makes perfect sense” between 2 statements doesn’t make it actually make sense.

Look, in real life the planes of a sunk CV would land on another CV, or ditch in the water or whatever. They wouldn't magically fall from the sky as though life had been drawn out of them. They're not drones flown by someone in the CV, they're planes flown by a pilot, and the player plays both the captain of the CV and the pilot of some planes representative of other planes as well.

 

What you're proposing is for the CV to be a voodoo doll for the planes: sink the CV, the planes in the air drop dead. It's not a reasonable video-game version of real life, it's a video-game version of magic.

Indeed, other disgruntled players had already proposed that the CV should take damage when the planes do, which is equally silly. What next, a BB takes damage if the shells "die" by hitting an island?

 

I'm all for CVs detonating (though would you really risk having to play half a game with no CV on your team, because she detonated?) or burning and flooding like normal ships, but this complaint about the last squadron actually having a life of its own, instead of behaving like a zombie connected to the CV-hive-mind, makes no sense to me.