General CV related discussions.

[Puffin_]

5 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

and buff regen rates so that noone has to run out of planes, even those who ram into flak all the time!

Me playing Enterprise 

[Nibenay78]

2 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

Me playing Enterprise 

Some of us played good Steel to get FDR! We also want to join in on ruining everyone elses gameplay, even if we suck and run into flak all the time. Make FDR great again!

[Yosha_AtaIante]

13 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Some of us played good Steel to get FDR! We also want to join in on ruining everyone elses gameplay, even if we suck and run into flak all the time. Make FDR great again!

It's actually quite funny that everyone is humping the FDR is broken opinion while forgetting Midway being superior to it in every way and it being a tech tree silver ship.

[Nibenay78]

1 minute ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

It's actually quite funny that everyone is humping the FDR is broken opinion while forgetting Midway being superior to it in every way and it being a tech tree silver ship.

But it looks neat when you score 8 torp hits. The surface ships are not having fun in either case!

[UnterSeeBot]

Shocking experience in Ranked today, 

after a frustrating day yesterday in my Smaland, I decided to take it easy and play a lazy bb, Thunderer. I have not seen a single CV in a half dozen battles. Where have they all gone? Are tier 10 CVs really so unpoplar nobody wants to play them anymore?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

But it looks neat when you score 8 torp hits. The surface ships are not having fun in either case!

It looks neat but who cares if the damage is nearly the same as on Midway? 

Top it off with Midway also being capable to do 90° drops as can FDR

[Nibenay78]

Just now, Zuihou_Kai said:

It looks neat but who cares

Then you laugh at the defending player and tell them another is coming up. Hopefully they will quit the game.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Nibenay78 said:

Then you laugh at the defending player and tell them another is coming up. Hopefully they will quit the game.

If the target eats that many torps he is a pepega. Those torps are so easy to dodge. 

It's better he quits at that point 

[Nibenay78]

3 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

If the target eats that many torps he is a pepega. Those torps are so easy to dodge. 

It's better he quits at that point 

But then again, is dodge always a good choice?  Do people never make mistakes?

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Nibenay78 said:

But then again, is dodge always a good choice?  Do people never make mistakes?

I usually don't get caught in a CV game in a position that would make me vulnerable to either CV or surface ships. 

Basically I make sure that when I get attacked by either one of both I at least am immune or well defended against the other. 

 

If you are a bow tanking Yamato holding a flank in open water in a CV game expect to eat 12 Midway torps.

[Nibenay78]

5 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

I usually don't get caught in a CV game in a position that would make me vulnerable to either CV or surface ships. 

Basically I make sure that when I get attacked by either one of both I at least am immune or well defended against the other. 

 

If you are a bow tanking Yamato holding a flank in open water in a CV game expect to eat 12 Midway torps.

Then again you are not mr average? Meaning everyone below your skill is pepega? :D

[BLUB__BLUB]

33 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

Then again you are not mr average? Meaning everyone below your skill is pepega? :D

Kinda. Though even I manage to make a DM eat 12 torps in CB. 

Whack one set from the right, and then another from the left. 

Rest of them weren't needed... 

[DFens_666]

45 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

It's actually quite funny that everyone is humping the FDR is broken opinion while forgetting Midway being superior to it in every way and it being a tech tree silver ship.

 

All of us CV plebs should get FDR just so we can also annoy the playerbase...

FDR really doesnt fit the steel-resource (or maybe it does) because good players dont need it. Its a total wheelchair CV which would be perfect for noobs. So i guess we are lucky its only available for steel Or WG is again just very smart trying to get noobs to play ranked so they can earn steel and buy FDR

[Yedwy]

After a match I just played in Ranked I am so pi**ed I am actually thinking of getting the FDR instead of Plymuth just so I can spread some joy across the virtual seas...

[159Hunter]

2 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

All of us CV plebs should get FDR just so we can also annoy the playerbase...

FDR really doesnt fit the steel-resource (or maybe it does) because good players dont need it. Its a total wheelchair CV which would be perfect for noobs. So i guess we are lucky its only available for steel Or WG is again just very smart trying to get noobs to play ranked so they can earn steel and buy FDR

Well. It is my only premium CV. Which I will need after commander rework when I'll be stuck with a very limited amount of captains. So glad to get one for free 

[TrangleC]

It is absolute nonsense to put carriers in this game.

 

This is supposed to be a game for battleship and WW1-2 era naval artillery battles. Why would you put the thing in the game, which in reality ended that era and made naval artillery battles impossible?

 

It is like putting guns into a sword fighting game and I mean realistic guns that end every fight with one hit, not video game guns that do less damage that a fist punch.

 

Wanting Carriers in the game because they were a big and important part of WW2 is no excuse, because you're not actually having Carriers in the game. A game simulating Carrier battles, even on the most "arcade" and casual level, would be a very different game.

 

CVs ruin every battle they are in. I'm not having any fun when they get to harass actual players. It is even worse than artillery in WoT, because you can hide from artillery.

 

I'm mostly a BB player so far, but I have tried getting into Cruiser play, but I find it impossible to learn how to play Cruisers properly and use terrain when that just means shouting "Hey! Can I have some torpedoes please?!" to the 1-2 clickers who are playing a totally different game and still get to ruin yours.

 

 

[1MajorKoenig]

20 minutes ago, TrangleC said:

This is supposed to be a game for battleship and WW1-2 era naval artillery battles.

No it is simply not. Don’t even need to read the rest of that nonsense since the basic assumption is as wrong as it is stupid.

[I_need_an_adult]

On 12/22/2020 at 1:36 PM, BLUB__BLUB said:

1) You could just go work for a differnt company. Even the competition. Knowing why the previous company sucks.

The problem, that next company will also have something similar. 

 

2) There is not problem as long as you get appreciated.

Maybe having him on your team,\makes sure your team gets more promotions and pay than others.

 

3) There is the problem. You think your teammate has no skill. 

Maybe he has less skill than the enemy. 

Your actual problem is you are fighting the son of the boss of the enemy. 

 

4) The thing is here you can actually choose to BE the boss' son.

And every team gets one. Maybe try to help your team and be a good one?

 

1) Why would the next game do something that pisses off 11/12th of their customer base to appease 1/12TH? This is per match, BTW. I don't know the number of people actually playing CVs but given in T10 they're every other match and there's only one per game maybe it's a 24th? I really couldn't guess. I do know that most other players hate them, for the reasons above.

 

2) It IS a problem, as appreciation (kills & XP) gets stolen by the friendly CV. They finish off any low-health ships they can. This is what they are supposed to do, but what they are supposed to do pisses off everyone else.

 

3) Nope. The problem is that I'm playing against someone I can very rarely hurt, who needs a fraction of the skill of playing any other class to dominate.

 

4) I want to play Warships. CVs play badly handled aircraft. I wouldn't even mind if there was some form of skill involved, like a simple flight-sim where you have to dogfight then drop bombs/torpedo. But no, the skill floor is in the basement. You fly aircraft that can't crash, FFS.

 

[tocqueville8]

34 minutes ago, TrangleC said:

I'm mostly a BB player so far, but I have tried getting into Cruiser play, but I find it impossible to learn how to play Cruisers properly and use terrain when that just means shouting "Hey! Can I have some torpedoes please?!" to the 1-2 clickers who are playing a totally different game and still get to ruin yours.

I suggest you play a bit more.

Unless you've just started a new account, you're playing T9 already despite having less than 500 battles. IMHO, that's a big no-no.

 

With a few exceptions (Hosho, Enterprise, MvR, possibly FDR and Kaga), CVs are fairly hard to do well in, unless you're really, really good at the game.

CVs do about the same average damage as a BB of the same tier, but BBs often delete cruisers and occasionally wreck other BBs and DDs as well, at least up close. That's what wins games, the alpha strike. CVs need either a detonation or a really, really oblivious target to do that. RNG might reward a bad drop with a triple citadel, but more often than not it'll punish a good drop with just 1 pen and 1 overpen, or some such.

E.g. if I want to do good damage at mid tiers, I'll bring the Fuso, not the Ryujo. Avg dmg is about the same, but my record is 35k higher in the Fuso.

 

Cruisers have the best combination of AA and maneuverability, so they should be able to deal with CVs, or at least mitigate the problem, better than most. Just maneuver well and the CV will generally decide it's better to go for someone else.

 

Also, you seem not to have played *a single* game in CVs. That's also a no-no: playing them will give you a better idea on how to counter them (and I say "counter" in a very generous sense).

 

Cheers

[TrangleC]

42 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

I suggest you play a bit more.

Unless you've just started a new account, you're playing T9 already despite having less than 500 battles. IMHO, that's a big no-no.

 

With a few exceptions (Hosho, Enterprise, MvR, possibly FDR and Kaga), CVs are fairly hard to do well in, unless you're really, really good at the game.

CVs do about the same average damage as a BB of the same tier, but BBs often delete cruisers and occasionally wreck other BBs and DDs as well, at least up close. That's what wins games, the alpha strike. CVs need either a detonation or a really, really oblivious target to do that. RNG might reward a bad drop with a triple citadel, but more often than not it'll punish a good drop with just 1 pen and 1 overpen, or some such.

E.g. if I want to do good damage at mid tiers, I'll bring the Fuso, not the Ryujo. Avg dmg is about the same, but my record is 35k higher in the Fuso.

 

Cruisers have the best combination of AA and maneuverability, so they should be able to deal with CVs, or at least mitigate the problem, better than most. Just maneuver well and the CV will generally decide it's better to go for someone else.

 

Also, you seem not to have played *a single* game in CVs. That's also a no-no: playing them will give you a better idea on how to counter them (and I say "counter" in a very generous sense).

 

Cheers

I usually end up among the top scoring players on my team in most tier 9 and 10 battles.

I'm not saying I'm good, but apparently I'm above average when it comes to the players I meet at the higher tiers.

 

What is it with people here not being able to have a conversation without snooping in other people's game stats? Like it or not, but even if I were the worst WoWS player of all times, that wouldn't mean I can't have a opinion on what CVs are doing to this game.

 

And such "just dodge" advise is something even Unicums like Flamu, Flambass and other Youtubers make fun of, because it is nonsense, sorry.

 

Those people definitely know the game and are top level players and they hate CVs as much as I do, if not more.

 

You probably mean well, but I don't find any defense of CVs convincing in the slightest.

Whether it is hard to play CVs or not is totally irrelevant. All that counts is that they don't fit into the game and ruin the fun for everyone who actually wants to play this game and not some silly "I'm a bee! Wee! I buzz around and kamikaze into you! Doesn't matter, I just get new bees to buzz around in!"-nonsense.

This has nothing to do with how carriers functioned in reality, it has nothing to do with flying a plane or with naval tactics.

 

And I am proud that I never participated in this heinous nonsense and never ruined other people's fun by playing CVs.

 

You CV players can go on convincing yourselves you are doing nothing wrong, just like artillery players in WoT and heavy bomber players in War Thunder, but you are a bane and a blight on the game every time you sully yourself by entering a battle in one of those things.

 

This nonsense is nothing new. In War Thunder the player base forced the developers to nerf heavy bombers with a mass team killing campaign, because they ruined it for everyone, just like Carriers do in this game.

[TrangleC]

1 hour ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

No it is simply not. Don’t even need to read the rest of that nonsense since the basic assumption is as wrong as it is stupid.

Then what is it?

Enlighten me, please.

 

I didn't play many battles, because I always get annoyed with RNG and nonsense like Carriers after a while and leave the game, but I have been around since the Beta days, when there were only 2 factions and American BBs had just been introduced.

This game clearly aimed at fans of classical warships. That was what drew me to it and that is what everyone else I heard talk about it was interested in.

 

If I just wanted to play some competitive arena shooter, I would have way better alternatives. Battleships is what I unfortunately only get here and they are the only reason why I am here and if you think you can tell me this is not a factor, you are just embarrassing yourself.

[AkulaTSR]

5 minutes ago, TrangleC said:

I usually end up among the top scoring players on my team in most tier 9 and 10 battles.

I'm not saying I'm good, but apparently I'm above average when it comes to the players I meet at the higher tiers.

 

What is it with people here not being able to have a conversation without snooping in other people's game stats? Like it or not, but even if I were the worst WoWS player of all times, that wouldn't mean I can't have a opinion on what CVs are doing to this game.

 

And such "just dodge" advise is something even Unicums like Flamu, Flambass and other Youtubers make fun of, because it is nonsense, sorry.

 

Those people definitely know the game and are top level players and they hate CVs as much as I do, if not more.

 

You probably mean well, but I don't find any defense of CVs convincing in the slightest.

Whether it is hard to play CVs or not is totally irrelevant. All that counts is that they don't fit into the game and ruin the fun for everyone who actually wants to play this game and not some silly "I'm a bee! Wee! I buzz around and kamikaze into you! Doesn't matter, I just get new bees to buzz around in!"-nonsense.

This has nothing to do with how carriers functioned in reality, it has nothing to do with flying a plane or with naval tactics.

 

And I am proud that I never participated in this heinous nonsense and never ruined other people's fun by playing CVs.

 

You CV players can go on convincing yourselves you are doing nothing wrong, just like artillery players in WoT and heavy bomber players in War Thunder, but you are a bane and a blight on the game every time you sully yourself by entering a battle in one of those things.

 

This nonsense is nothing new. In War Thunder the player base forced the developers to nerf heavy bombers with a mass team killing campaign, because they ruined it for everyone, just like Carriers do in this game.

 

Must say i agree with this. They just keep bringing out more CVs its utter garbage.

 

No fun in a DD getting half your HP taken off within 30 seconds of the battle from something you cant see.

[1MajorKoenig]

14 minutes ago, TrangleC said:

Then what is it?

Enlighten me, please.

 

I didn't play many battles, because I always get annoyed with RNG and nonsense like Carriers after a while and leave the game, but I have been around since the Beta days, when there were only 2 factions and American BBs had just been introduced.

This game clearly aimed at fans of classical warships. That was what drew me to it and that is what everyone else I heard talk about it was interested in.

 

If I just wanted to play some competitive arena shooter, I would have way better alternatives. Battleships is what I unfortunately only get here and they are the only reason why I am here and if you think you can tell me this is not a factor, you are just embarrassing yourself.

The game is a slow arcade shooter with four classes from the get-go with different strengths and weaknesses. 
 

It is naval themed - yes - and that is what a lot of us keep us here. But it certainly is no “artillery” game nor has it much to do with WW1 (sadly).

 

Btw.: do you know how many battleship vs battleship engagement WW2 saw? 
 

And second guess: what were the most useful ships in fleet battles in that era? Hint: the three are portrayed in the game as classes (and it’s not the battleships).

 

Saying CVs are less fundamental to the game than any other of the classes is utterly stupid though

[TrangleC]

4 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

The game is a slow arcade shooter with four classes from the get-go with different strengths and weaknesses. 
 

It is naval themed - yes - and that is what a lot of us keep us here. But it certainly is no “artillery” game nor has it much to do with WW1 (sadly).

 

Btw.: do you know how many battleship vs battleship engagement WW2 saw? 
 

And second guess: what were the most useful ships in fleet battles in that era? Hint: the three are portrayed in the game as classes (and it’s not the battleships).

 

Saying CVs are less fundamental to the game than any other of the classes is utterly stupid though

Look up the definition of the word "fundamental".

Indeed carriers are less fundamental, because naval battles happened a long time just fine without them.

 

And as I said in my initial comment, the one you didn't bother reading, CVs ended the era of classical naval battles, not only killed off Battleships, but reduced Cruisers and Destroyers to escort and support vessles.

 

Putting Carriers into a game like this, OBJECTIVELY ruins it.

 

CVs "ruined" it for every other class of war ship (except submarines) in reality and they ruin naval battles in a naval battle game.

 

The same way WW2 and Korean War era tanks were not designed to fight magical real time birds eye artillery throwing small asteroids at them from space, WW1 and 2 era war ships were not designed to fight magical super aircraft that have no fear for their lives, respawn on the aircraft carrier and are next to immune against AA fire.

 

There is no justifying this nonsense.

 

We have heard all that BS from artillery players in WoT 10 years ago.

"Arty prevents camping!" 

Nobody takes that seriously anymore. Everyone sees through it.

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, I_need_an_adult said:

 

1) Why would the next game do something that pisses off 11/12th of their customer base to appease 1/12TH? This is per match, BTW. I don't know the number of people actually playing CVs but given in T10 they're every other match and there's only one per game maybe it's a 24th? I really couldn't guess. I do know that most other players hate them, for the reasons above.

You'd be surprised how many DD players hat CV, but next game they play them themselves...

 

1 hour ago, I_need_an_adult said:

2) It IS a problem, as appreciation (kills & XP) gets stolen by the friendly CV. They finish off any low-health ships they can. This is what they are supposed to do, but what they are supposed to do pisses off everyone else.

Duh. Lots of times when I am in a CV kills and XP get "stolen" as I am spotting them. 

The team profits. You win more. 

 

1 hour ago, I_need_an_adult said:

3) Nope. The problem is that I'm playing against someone I can very rarely hurt, who needs a fraction of the skill of playing any other class to dominate.

THAT is a problem. However they still seem to complicated. WG keeps dumbing it down... and still not enough players. 

 

1 hour ago, I_need_an_adult said:

4) I want to play Warships. CVs play badly handled aircraft. I wouldn't even mind if there was some form of skill involved, like a simple flight-sim where you have to dogfight then drop bombs/torpedo. But no, the skill floor is in the basement. You fly aircraft that can't crash, FFS.

Your saying "I wouldn't even mind if there was some form of skill involved" is just BS, really. 

You have one game in Ryujo. There is no way you could estimate any skill level regarding CVs. 

Except maybe low tier ones, but OK those everyone agrees on that they are filthy.