General CV related discussions.

[El2aZeR]

43 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

There has to be a balance right? a balance where classes are accessible to all not just great players and where players can learn while playing the class.

 

Accessibility has nothing to do with balance.

 

8 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

you call him a potato CV or maybe i was the sneaky player pulling a good dd move

 

CVs have several early warning systems built in which makes attempting to snipe them a suicide mission unless the CV player is incompetent.

Therefore what you did was a dumb move, the enemy CV player was just even more stupid.

 

2 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

That's the FDR, that's a CV that is OP i think but not the class as a whole.

 

This is extremely funny given that FDR ranks fairy low in terms of impact.

[st_dasa]

8 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

Also i do think WG do care about the player base - there's a lot of proof for that, examples

 

 

 

No offense, but you are very young, naive or both to actually believe that.

 

I mean, WG ppl really do passionately care about one thing...

 

 

[MacFergus]

15 minutes ago, Dobbel0 said:

WG Don't care about the player base, CVs are a broken class that ruins the game!!! who ever says it exist counter play to CVs are not really smart. Even dead they keep spotting and drops. They ruin every supprice, positioning , flanking , just add to camp or lemming together... Its pure Corona for the game. And they bring it to Clanbattles too ...... Idk i am far from CV main and already broke 300k with FDR twice, seems like good balanced class to me

As oppose to invisible DD play at mid tiers , CA HE spam , BB insta delete button.

 

At mid tier I see plenty of flanking moves but the few games I have been in top tier were complete camp fests imo.

[TheBradford]

3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

CVs have several early warning systems built in which makes attempting to snipe them a suicide mission unless the CV player is incompetent.

Therefore what you did was a dumb move, the enemy CV player was just even more stupid.

 

This is extremely funny given that FDR ranks fairy low in terms of impact.

- Was it though? enemy team left the centre uncontested, i went round the central cap so it didn't look like a dd was capturing it, our CV spotted there CV behind the island, so i could approach without him noticing, then at last moment i popped up and torped him while he was focusing DDs in C. How is that a dumb move on my part? please explain lol. I see that as a good move.

 

- What? FDR has a higher win rate and higher damage than other CVs https://wows-numbers.com/ships/ theres the evidence 

[TheBradford]

8 minutes ago, st_dasa said:

 

No offence, but you are very young, naive or both to actually believe that.

ive given the evidence, not my fault if you dont like it

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

9 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

Not really here to debate AOE it was more a comparison between AOE been able to make a new game such as AO2,3,4 whereas WOW will more than likely to just be WOW, not a WOW 2,3,4 ect

but it is a good example of adding a stupid card game to a well crafted game and the results you get from doing stupid things to "keep people interested"

you turn a game with a dedicated playerbase into something some people might pick up for a week and then forget

[TheBradford]

Just now, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said:

but it is a good example of adding a stupid card game to a well crafted game and the results you get from doing stupid things to "keep people interested"

you turn a game with a dedicated playerbase into something some people might pick up for a week and then forget

i dont know what your other example was Dow, never played it so cant comment 

 

But WOW is different in a lot of ways to AOE, just in the way you pay. AOE you pay a upfront price and maybe some more for DLC, WOW is F2P but we as players decide how much we want to spend on the game.

 

WOW would die off faster if it didn't adapt and change.

[st_dasa]

10 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

ive given the evidence, not my fault if you dont like it

 

So you consider basic developer - user relation to be evidence? And you do realize they need ppl to test things? It is literally free manpower and work hours.

Also, did they care when community openly said ''WE DON'T WANT SUBS, DOCKYARD or RESEARCH BUREAU''? Nah, but somehow they suddenly care about people after the inclusion of all those mechanic.

 

TL; DR This is your argument: they shoved that stuff down our throats, forced us to swallow, and then put a bit more sugar because ppl tasting it said it wasn't sweet enough.

Again, how naive.

[El2aZeR]

8 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

so i could approach without him noticing

 

This is fundamentally impossible. Even if the hull isn't being spotted, planes that fly out from the CV will be.

Therefore yes, if the CV player in question had actually been smart you would have just committed suicide by attempting to kill him.

 

8 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

What? FDR has a higher win rate and higher damage than other CVs https://wows-numbers.com/ships/ theres the evidence

 

Global WR in general is worthless as a metric. Otherwise do explain to me how Myoko can be one of the best and one of the worst T7 cruisers at the same time?

And CV average stats in general are worthless because the vast majority of CV players are incompetent. The Midway, a CV vastly more powerful than FDR, for example is apparently the worst T10 CV lol.

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

a dedicated playerbase is good reviews and verbal advertising

the payment is different

the way it sells is exactly the same 

aoe2 ended up selling a lot more then 3

a good core game makes people come back and play it for decades

[JohnMac79]

18 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

"not really smart"

you - supprice lol ;)

 

But people who can counter CVs are you saying they are not smart? they sound smarter than someone who hasn't figured it out yet?

 

That's the FDR, that's a CV that is OP i think but not the class as a whole. 

 

Also i do think WG do care about the player base - there's a lot of proof for that, examples 

- Submarine test, feedback from player was BBs have no counter and no idea when you are targeted.   

WG - we have listened to your feedback on submarines and in the next phase of testing BBs and heavy cruisers can now call in a controllable ASW plane to drop on submarines also we have added a system that alerts you when you have been pinged by a submarine. 

- Dockyard events , first one was all most impossible but the Odin and the rest have been rather easy 

 

Just them two points show they have listened and do care about the players.

On CVs, its because there is stll a lot of debate between players on the impact of CVs and the statistics also don't show a massive change 

There is no counter to CV.

 

WG dont care about the playerbase, only money. You really think they listen to feedback from any testing? Are you insane or really naive?

[TheBradford]

2 minutes ago, st_dasa said:

 

So you consider basic developer - public relation to be evidence? And you do realize they need ppl to test things? It is literally free manpower and w
Also, did they care when community openly said ''WE DON'T SUBS, DOCKYARD or RESEARCH BUREAU''? Nah, but somehow they suddenly care about people after the inclusion of all those mechanic. They shoved that stuff down our throats, and what you say is that they put a bit more sugar because ppl tasting it said it wasn't sweet enough.
 

Also a lot of players that did want the subs, Dockyard (not sure about research bureau) soooo.....

 

You call me that, i could just call you narrow minded? so why dont we stop with the insults 

[GarrusBrutus]

26 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

Well its going to be higher as they are behind their team most of the time, you dont expect a CV to charge into B do you?

One more reason to despise this class and everyone who plays them. People complain about cruisers hiding behind islands, about DDs shooting from smoke and about bbs sniping from the back, but cvs are crown champions when it comes to dealing damage from a safe distance without any risk of their ship getting destroyed. 

 

That is why.. 

28 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

you call him a potato CV or maybe i was the sneaky player pulling a good dd move ;) 

You killing a cv is always a misplay by said cv, unless his team has completely collapsed and he has nowhere to go. 

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

didnt all the dockyards after the first actually make it impossible without paying?

they made it easier for the people that pay

[st_dasa]

2 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

Also a lot of players that did want the subs, Dockyard (not sure about research bureau) soooo.....

 

You call me that, i could just call you narrow minded? so why dont we stop with the insults 

 

I guess you WG fanboys always resort to insults when lacking further argumentation.

 

You can call we whatever you like darling, it says more about you ;)

[TheBradford]

3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

This is fundamentally impossible. Even if the hull isn't being spotted, planes that fly out from the CV will be.

Therefore yes, if the CV player in question had actually been smart you would have just committed suicide by attempting to kill him.

And CV average stats in general are worthless because the vast majority of CV players are incompetent.

Well yeah his planes spotted me when i got within 2.3km i think, but that's time for him to react is it? lol

 

Why are they worthless, the stats on the ship you mentioned show it as a decent ship which it is?

[TheBradford]

1 minute ago, st_dasa said:

 

I guess you WG fanboys always resort to insults when lacking further argumentation.

 

You can call we whatever you like darling, it says more about you ;)

you started the insults and continuing them ;) i only said i could call you it, but i didnt 

 

usually that from people who are not winning the debate ;)

[st_dasa]

5 minutes ago, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said:

didnt all the dockyards after the first actually make it impossible without paying?

they made it easier for the people that pay

 

Dockyard is basically just another pay-to-progress method. It is visually pleasing, but in its core, it's one big milking mechanic.

[TheBradford]

5 minutes ago, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said:

didnt all the dockyards after the first actually make it impossible without paying?

they made it easier for the people that pay

Yeah but they mentioned it before the dockyard. 

 

But still $10 or what ever it was for the odin plus all the extras along the way, wasnt bad 

[El2aZeR]

4 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

Well yeah his planes spotted me when i got within 2.3km i think, but that's time for him to react is it? lol

 

No, he should have known when you were inside 10km of him at least.

Because CVs know when their planes are detected and therefore extrapolate that there is a ship in the area.

Didn't you tell us that you play CVs?

 

4 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

Why are they worthless, the stats on the ship you mentioned show it as a decent ship which it is?

 

No, FDR is a terrible T10 CV that ranks very low in terms of match impact. This is because it is severely limited in its versatility and its damage potential is fairly low.

The reasons why it reaches higher stats are quite simple:

1. Not many players have it and the players that do typically are among the better CV players.

2. It farms damage primarily on BBs which results in high averages but is very low impact as is seen in its low KPM stat.

3. It is fairly easy to play, meaning that even the average player is capable of farming decent stats in it.

 

This is one of the reasons why average stats are completely useless in determining the potential power of any ship - and in extension why average stats are completely worthless to balancing.

[st_dasa]

6 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

you started the insults and continuing them ;) i only said i could call you it, but i didnt 

 

usually that from people who are not winning the debate ;)

 

Right, so calling someone naive is insulting? Wow, one could call you a snowflake, but hey, I at the very least won't.

 

And about losing the argumentation... you do realize there is literally almost a dozen experienced, well informed players (me included) on this thread arguing against your points? Can you again explain to me where exactly, and by what metric, are you winning? Pls, entertain me.

[TheBradford]

1 minute ago, st_dasa said:

 

Dockyard is basically just another pay-to-progress method. It is visually pleasing, but in its core, it's one big milking mechanic.

If you hate CVs, Submarines, WG attitude towards player base, their events and everything else you have mentioned plus its going in a direction you dont like?

 

Why are you still playing and debating with me? surely if you thought it was this bad and not getting any better you would just give up and move onto something else by now? ;)

[TheBradford]

2 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

 

No, FDR is a terrible T10 CV that ranks very low in terms of match impact. This is because it is severely limited in its versatility and its damage potential is fairly low.

The reasons why it reaches higher stats are quite simple:

 

This is one of the reasons why average stats are completely useless in determining the potential power of any ship - and in extension why average stats are completely worthless to balancing.

Its hard to describe a situation when you weren't there.

 

When i got within that detection range his planes were already over at C, so as i was moving within that detection his planes were already at C, so he wouldn't have got that warning. Basically right place at right time.

 

I don't  know, ive seen that FDR reck everything it come into contact with. AA is useless against it.

[MacFergus]

9 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

One more reason to despise this class and everyone who plays them. People complain about cruisers hiding behind islands, about DDs shooting from smoke and about bbs sniping from the back, but cvs are crown champions when it comes to dealing damage from a safe distance without any risk of their ship getting destroyed. 

I agree CVs are too tanky and need to be made more vulnerable.

 

But again I think people are getting hung up on top tier CVs please consider us lower class plebs in mid tier our damage output is nowhere near that of the top tier Hosho excluded. 

 

A good player will always do great damage that's not indicative of the class though as a good player will do good damage in almost any ship.

[st_dasa]

3 minutes ago, TheBradford said:

If you hate CVs, Submarines, WG attitude towards player base, their events and everything else you have mentioned plus its going in a direction you dont like?

 

Why are you still playing and debating with me? surely if you thought it was this bad and not getting any better you would just give up and move onto something else by now? ;)

 

Is this thread perhaps labelled ''TheBradford's rightly and just opinons on the CVs''?

Yes or no?

If yes, yeah, I'll take my leave, this is your turf.

If not, what makes you think you can imply what should I do or to whom should I reply?

 

Again, your naivety shows when you cannot understand that I, and people like me, deeply care about the game, absolutely love the basic mechanics and want to see it take a turn for the better.