General CV related discussions.

[ForlornSailor]

10 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

haven’t looked at your specific example to be honest as I quite frankly don’t give a damn about the whining here.

 

So you just talk without knowing the facts or details and dont even want to know them. LOL In some forums people like these are getting banned, because they are concidered trolls, you know that?

Do you run into random houses you pass by on the street, rushing through the first door you see, interupting whatever people just did there shouting YOU ARE ALL RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRONG IM RIGHT!!! then turn around going "lalalala I dont care what you people say" with a smirk on your face, because you think you are awesome? sorry to tell you, but thats what you did here.

[MacFergus]

1 hour ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Of course they wsad. Doesn't mean they are not easy pickings. And you think I stop playing CV well solo? Ok.....

 

I'm sorry but if a DD turns into you while on attack run in a tier 6 CV your lucky to get between 700 to maybe 1600 damage at full broadside I normally do between 3000-5000 damage  if the DD is smart he might end up taking only 3000 damage before I return to the ship.

 

While it is possible to destroy a DD using rockets its very rare i do it in one squadron but like i said its harder at lower tiers because the DD detection is a lot lower than higher tiers although I would like someone to confirm that.

 

Gunboats are basically screwed while stealth build DDs can avoid CVs better.

 

Having friends in team speak does help the situation as any DDs spotted by yourself can be focused fired down a lot quicker than pinging the map that's not to say your not good at CVs solo its just a fact.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

I would like someone to confirm that.

it stays the same on all tiers (air detection). 

[MacFergus]

10 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

it stays the same on all tiers (air detection). 

 

Its not the same just checked the Mutsuki with full concealment is 2.2 km air detection a Shimmkaze is 3.4km , Gearing 3.4km all without concealment mods , Smalland 3.5 km , Halland 3.4 km , In fact the lower you go in the tiers the lower the detection rate or so it seems.

 

Its a lot more harder work to take out a DD in lower tiers with rockets than higher tiers as the DDs blip in and out a lot more so you basically have to guess where you think they will be on your attack run or so it seems.

 

 

[Bear__Necessities]

26 minutes ago, rnat said:

Yes, but those are rather easy to massively mitigate damage from. Long enough for a Halland to mostly get rid of the relevant plane-type given the KMs mediocre health pool.

Add in a team that bothers shooting at the Halland (and able to do so) ofc changes that situation big time.

I know Halland inside out. It's more vulnerable to CV than people think, especially when you lose the AA mount at the front, that takes you down in AA percentage heavily and when you lose mounts in other fights, well... AA becomes a weak placebo. It's a fat DD that gets caught in the turn easily. Running the special captain can mitigate some of the AA mount losses, but only by so much. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

9 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

 

Its not the same just checked the Mutsuki with full concealment is 2.2 km air detection a Shimmkaze is 3.4km , Gearing 3.4km all without concealment mods , Smalland 3.5 km , Halland 3.4 km , In fact the lower you go in the tiers the lower the detection rate or so it seems.

 

Its a lot more harder work to take out a DD in lower tiers with rockets than higher tiers as the DDs blip in and out a lot more so you basically have to guess where you think they will be on your attack run or so it seems.

 

 

A Shima with full CE and upgrade air concealment isn't 3.4km however but around 2.7km. Mutsuki being t5 as in so low that 0.2 compared to t10 halland barely makes a difference as in rocket arming time in low tiers is also lower to compensate (as is planespeed which plays a role in how close you can be to start an attack with boost). 

 

Overall air concealment stays in the same region on all DDs with CE and later adding the concealment upgrade. 

 

[MacFergus]

6 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

A Shima with full CE and upgrade air concealment isn't 3.4km however but around 2.7km. Mutsuki being t5 as in so low that 0.2 compared to t10 halland barely makes a difference as in rocket arming time in low tiers is also lower to compensate (as is planespeed which plays a role in how close you can be to start an attack with boost). 

 

Overall air concealment stays in the same region on all DDs with CE and later adding the concealment upgrade. 

 

 

Thankyou for that confirmation it often confuses me , However you must agree that a DD with lower Air detection even if its 0.5 km will blip in and out a lot more than a higher tier DD although you have to take into account that lower tier DDs have less hp and AA if that matters at all.

[ForlornSailor]

1 minute ago, MacFergus said:

Thankyou for that confirmation it often confuses me , However you must agree that a DD with lower Air detection even if its 0.5 km will blip in and out a lot more than a higher tier DD although you have to take into account that lower tier DDs have less hp and AA if that matters at all.

 

Planes on lower tiers are also slower, thus its easier to keep within the air concealment once you are over the DD. It all evens out pretty much I guess, I dont think low tier DDs are in a particular better spot. Higher tier gameplay in that sense is just faster. Planes are faster, thus need faster reaction and decision making, DDs on average are also faster, so they can dodge easier etc. If anything, Id say the engagement CV vs DD is even easier on low tiers for the CV. In adition to that, the low tier DDs have hardly any meaningful AA so you can potato around them without risking anything.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, MacFergus said:

 

Thankyou for that confirmation it often confuses me , However you must agree that a DD with lower Air detection even if its 0.5 km will blip in and out a lot more than a higher tier DD although you have to take into account that lower tier DDs have less hp and AA if that matters at all.

Yes I agree sorry I kind of focused to much on the concealment. 

 

So yes they are harder to spot but not necessarily harder to get attack runs on. Your planespeed is lower in lower tiers meaning you have more time to lineup a run. With smart usage of boost and certain techniques (initiating rocket attacks 90° on while not losing accuracy) you can start attack runs on any DD as you first spot them. But this doesn't mean that you will deal devastating damage to the DD. A DD going bow in or reversing fully angled can still mitigate damage. 

 

So when you get more experienced and master more ways to initiate rocket attacks from unfavorable angles it will be possible to get better damage in.

 

Usually you do more damage the more mistakes the enemy DD makes. 

[El2aZeR]

2 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Probably he does. Considering he eliminated yourself for a quarter or more of the match. Unless his team is zombie that should have sufficed to win. 

 

Offering up free points to the enemy CV which extends the match and thus CV influence typically is not a winning recipe.

 

The very concept of "wasting a CVs time" does not exist. The CV is in full control over target selection, therefore only he can waste his time, not you. You are either a priority or not.

And a Halland that has a flanking position on your entire team definitely is a priority.

 

55 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

@El2aZeR and me never went into training room though so he didn't. 

 

Didn't I meet you in randoms once or twice?  Forgot what the match ups were though anyway.

 

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Offering up free points to the enemy CV which extends the match and thus CV influence typically is not a winning recipe.

 

The very concept of "wasting a CVs time" does not exist. The CV is in full control over target selection, therefore only he can waste his time, not you. You are either a priority or not.

And a Halland that has a flanking position on your entire team definitely is a priority.

 

 

Didn't I meet you in randoms once or twice?  Forgot what the match ups were though anyway.

 

 

 

We met but you didn't kill me in any of them and one where I was in smalland there was a Halland on your team that sabotaged your match by doing nothing which my team won so it doesn't count. 

 

The match where we met in which I was Öland my team collapsed completely, we nearly killed your Kaga with our division and I died to a Seattle radar. I don't count this one because you were a Kaga. Like wtf are u supposed to do LOL

[marcopieroni16]

1 ora fa, Bear__Necessities ha scritto:

Torps and rockets. Halland is fat enough the rockets arm and the torps fast enough to hit. In fact now they added torp spread RNG, more torps land as it's FAR harder to predict and evade. 

dont worry the torps and the bombs will dodge the ship

[El2aZeR]

3 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

We met but you didn't kill me in any of them and one where I was in smalland there was a Halland on your team that sabotaged your match by doing nothing which my team won so it doesn't count. 

 

Don't remember that at all tbh. I do remember that I didn't kill you in any but in one of them prevented you from being useful in any way, which in the end is pretty much just as good of a outcome.

 

5 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

The match where we met in which I was Öland my team collapsed completely, we nearly killed your Kaga with our division and I died to a Seattle radar. I don't count this one because you were a Kaga. Like wtf are u supposed to do LOL

 

Ah, yeah, that one. Glorious BBs running away and actually hiding behind me while Kaga being fat almost got me killed. Did I even bother to attack you that match?

Good thing you guys tunnelvisioned on me, otherwise I would have lost. :D

[Yosha_AtaIante]

2 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Don't remember that at all tbh. I do remember that I didn't kill you in any but in one of them prevented you from being useful in any way, which in the end is pretty much just as good of a outcome.

 

 

Ah, yeah, that one. Glorious BBs running away and actually hiding behind me while Kaga being fat almost got me killed. Did I even bother to attack you that match?

Good thing you guys tunnelvisioned on me, otherwise I would have lost. :D

On the match where you think I wasn't useful (smalland) I actually killed a Yueyang and capped A cap, killed another BB later on even though you took like 12k off my hp. 

 

The Kaga match was truly special. You ignored me because you recognized I wasn't much of a threat until we actually got close to kill you because as you said, your team left you behind. A Seattle turned around is when you came in with DBs but dispersion was typical Kaga level dispersion. Seattle popped radar and finished me. The game was lost for our team at that point anyway because my division of 3 was last ships alive anyway in like 7 minutes? 

 

[El2aZeR]

7 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

On the match where you think I wasn't useful (smalland) I actually killed a Yueyang and capped A cap, killed another BB later on even though you took like 12k off my hp. 

 

Probably not the one I meant then. Don't recall ever meeting you in a Smaland.

Not that that means it didn't happen ofc. :)

 

8 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

You ignored me because you recognized I wasn't much of a threat until we actually got close to kill you because as you said, your team left you behind.

 

Ah, good to know I played the situation out correctly.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, El2aZeR said:

Don't recall ever meeting you in a Smaland.

I remember it so well because you hit me for 10k with one tiny Tim strike back when reticle was still normal and one where only one rocket hit me for around 12k total dmg. And you were angry in discord about the Halland who didn't do crap, even posted a replay of it which I watched for context. He was derping at map border literally doing nothing being pink. 

 

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

Ah, good to know I played the situation out correctly.

Yes you focused the side your team was winning on. 

 

The map was Atlantic. Your team went hard on C as did 9 of my teammates. My division went A cap  met little resistance and capped it  then went towards B but at that point half of my team was dead already. There was nothing we could do to turn the match anymore because the only ship that was dead on your team was the ones we killed on A when we capped. It was lost already is why we at least tried to kill your Kaga. You only attacked me once you had reasonable support. Correct decision making obviously. 

[El2aZeR]

8 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

The map was Atlantic.

 

Oh yeah, you almost got me with a torp spread that expired like 500m before my ship, didn't you? 

Curse fat Kitsune for being slow. I would have made a clean getaway with slim waifu.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Just now, El2aZeR said:

 

Oh yeah, you almost got me with a torp spread that expired like 500m before my ship, didn't you? 

Curse fat Kitsune for being slow. I would have made a clean getaway with slim waifu.

I wouldnt have killed you without my division even with the torps because Öland is a glorious piece of wheelchair. 

And yes. You would have looked much better in shoukaku... doesn't help that It was me that pushed that Kaga on you q_q

 

But it was nice seeing you in Kaga once

 

[1MajorKoenig]

48 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

The CV is in full control over target selection, therefore only he can waste his time, not you. You are either a priority or not.

That is true. The result would be the same though. And target selection is very important for the CV 

[BLUB__BLUB]

5 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

No, I mean in 3 mins total

Then check your replay. It took you time to find him as well. 

 

5 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

. Ohhh, they didn't help that much at all, nailed just over 20k on it. And regardless of planes shot down, it's didn't affect me at all for the rest of the game either. 

Yes 27 planes, and it didn't matter, that's true. 

Because you could still attack. 

 

5 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

And I'm sure that Halland player feels better knowing this......

Probably not but he doesn't deserve to either. 

 

5 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

If I want a Halland dead. It's dead. Sincerely, one of the best Halland players going currently. 

Agree. But there's other CV-players except you. 

 

5 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

My hull was already turned, the smoke did nothing, as nice as it was. I moved closer to it, to shorten attack times, turn with plenty of room, knowing torps would never land, and already moving away to the other side for the cap, knowing he's about to be killed. I controlled every part of that engagement. 

You were detected. I'd have gotten a shot in on you if I were in a BB on the reds. 

You controlled 95% of it, that 5% could have got to you though. Usually doesn't. 

Granted you'd have been unlucky if you got blapped.

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

4 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

No, I eliminated him, and still stomped on their team. I fail to see how I was impeded from doing anything other than being utterly successful...

 

@El2aZeR help me out here, am I missing something? Coz they think I was somehow "stopped"? From what I don't know... 

The thing is, while you were busy killing him that stopped you from farming the rest. 

You brought some divvies and had a decent team, they at ;least kept up the scores.

Otherwise, while you were killing that Halland - 3 minutes suffices usually to completely get wrecked. 

Happened to me lots of times I was fighting one or two of those nasty pelt-robbers, meanwhile my team just potaoed to the end. 

 

3 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

He is exaggerating big time. Probably never went against a CV main in a Halland. 

That's not really the point. Thing is, can he kill himself when he'd be in a Halland and in a CV at the same time.

Eh. Well. I mean he goes out to get pelts. So, would he be able to outplay a likewise skilled player. 

 

3 hours ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Torps and rockets. Halland is fat enough the rockets arm and the torps fast enough to hit. In fact now they added torp spread RNG, more torps land as it's FAR harder to predict and evade. 

See above. Obviously you make it a speciality to go for the CV when you are in a DD. 

Means less able CV-players aren't able to stop you. And less able DDs aren't able to get your CV.

However you cannot have both, so which one is it?

 

 

[DFens_666]

8 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

The thing is, while you were busy killing him that stopped you from farming the rest. 

You brought some divvies and had a decent team, they at ;least kept up the scores.

Otherwise, while you were killing that Halland - 3 minutes suffices usually to completely get wrecked. 

Happened to me lots of times I was fighting one or two of those nasty pelt-robbers, meanwhile my team just potaoed to the end. 

 

I dont think a CV can prevent half your team dying with 3 minutes.
If you need 3 minutes to kill a DD within your hulls detection range, you wont be faster killing a BB which is blapping your potatoes At best, you might be able to even it out afterwards.

[BLUB__BLUB]

57 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

I dont think a CV can prevent half your team dying with 3 minutes.

That is not the point. The thing is, the OTHER CV may farm hard enough to cause this. 

You cannot prevent your team throwing... not even @El2aZeR can do that. Maybe if we could clone him though. 

 

57 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

If you need 3 minutes to kill a DD within your hulls detection range, you wont be faster killing a BB which is blapping your potatoes At best, you might be able to even it out afterwards.

You'll usually need longer than 3 minutes. This Halland, you knew where he was, and the flight times were very very short.

But I have killed BBs in around 3 minutes... I bet guys like Bear can do that easily. 

[st_dasa]

5 hours ago, Zimbiye said:

Lol another stats detective. I'm all in.

 

But you're aware what the argument is here about CVs vs Halland right? 

 

Oh, I'm pretty aware of it. Also, are you aware you made a cocky statement without any weight behind it?

 

P.S. some of my guys that play CVs would also like to see you on the side of the reds.

[Yosha_AtaIante]

I demand you stop calling us CV mains cowards. I especially am always VERY CLOSE to the action even going as far as to steal caps from DDs