General CV related discussions.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

13 hours ago, arquata2019 said:

@Excavatus why did you had to rework cvs? be honest :v

they're broken af in so many ways, should i write my second part of the Master Piece of balansing?

Yeah @Excavatus y u do dis to us!!!???!!!???

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

I am sure you do 20k damage per salvo against other players often. I do it myself as well. Do they sniff glue? I don't know.

Maybe they do. Done 20K to a Montana often enough. I'd say more often with a BB than with a CV. 

And used AP. Mind that Thunderer AP does 14.900 max PER SHELL and it is not impossible to hit Monty citadel at all.

Two shells will do. Four shells just full-penning and no overpen will do as well. And 26 sec later, again.

 

2 hours ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

Can you do the same amount of damage to me? No, you cannot. I am a good Montana player and I know exactly where you are on the map and what you do.

I doubt it. I pay many many sheep to RNGesus and sometimes he just pays me something back. 

 

2 hours ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

There is no way in hell I will trade 20k hp for nothing, or in my previous words unless I want to.

I think you are severely overrating yourself. Or underestimating RNGesus.

 

2 hours ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

Is it a made up story? No, it is the way this game is designed.

CVs are designed badly, that is true. 

 

2 hours ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

I use my armour layout, concealment, islands and etcetera to pull a victory across the finish line, so when I lose 24,7% of my HP by a badly designed mini game it is annoying. And hell, even WG admits their rework is garbage. Otherwise it wouldn't need all those buffs.

But there is the trick. It is not the damage, it is the way that it is delivered. 

To deliver such a blow to a Monty that CV needs to deliver his bombs, max damage 8.800, to your citadel. 

As such - 3x 8.800 is quite a bit less than 20.000 too. Or did he also dive his planes into you. Oh wait, can't happen. 

 

I suppose you have enough experience (and in CVs as well) to know that your story is slightly flawed.

It is much easier and much more common to do 20K to a BB when in another BB. 

When a CV does it, the problem is not the hit - it is a s susceptible to RNG as everything else.

The problem is you cannot really counter it and you cannot retaliate. 

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

1 minute ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Maybe they do. Done 20K to a Montana often enough. I'd say more often with a BB than with a CV. 

And used AP. Mind that Thunderer AP does 14.900 max PER SHELL and it is not impossible to hit Monty citadel at all.

Two shells will do. Four shells just full-penning and no overpen will do as well. And 26 sec later, again.

 

I doubt it. I pay many many sheep to RNGesus and sometimes he just pays me something back. 

 

I think you are severely overrating yourself. Or underestimating RNGesus.

 

CVs are designed badly, that is true. 

 

But there is the trick. It is not the damage, it is the way that it is delivered. 

To deliver such a blow to a Monty that CV needs to deliver his bombs, max damage 8.800, to your citadel. 

As such - 3x 8.800 is quite a bit less than 20.000 too. Or did he also dive his planes into you. Oh wait, can't happen. 

 

I suppose you have enough experience (and in CVs as well) to know that your story is slightly flawed.

It is much easier and much more common to do 20K to a BB when in another BB. 

When a CV does it, the problem is not the hit - it is a s susceptible to RNG as everything else.

The problem is you cannot really counter it and you cannot retaliate. 

I know BlubBlub, but please read. You can citadel A Montana. You cannot citadel MY Montana.
I am simply too good.

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 minutes ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

I know BlubBlub, but please read. You can citadel A Montana. You cannot citadel MY Montana.
I am simply too good.

 yes I read that, very funny. Also, did you read 4 good pens would be plenty?

No matter bow, rear or superstructure. 4 pens will do. 

 

That CV will be very lucky to hit you with AP-bombs for 20K. 

He has then lost most of his planes, probably - or he was very very good in avoiding the AA.
I bet he can't do it again, or maybe his name is @El2aZeR yes he CAN do it again. 

And you "allowed' (or you were parked) to have him line up a FULL strike exactly on the mid of your ship.

And then were unlucky on top to have him get 3 cits - instead of missing completely, hitting turrets and whatever. 

 

BTW if you're THAT good, in that case maybe regard such a hit from CV as being "balanz comrade". 

[UnderDuress]

14 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

As such - 3x 8.800 is quite a bit less than 20.000 too. Or did he also dive his planes into you. Oh wait, can't happen.

With maths like this I guess CVs aren’t OP after all.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

3 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

 yes I read that, very funny. Also, did you read 4 good pens would be plenty?

No matter bow, rear or superstructure. 4 pens will do. 

 

That CV will be very lucky to hit you with AP-bombs for 20K. 

He has then lost most of his planes, probably - or he was very very good in avoiding the AA.
I bet he can't do it again, or maybe his name is @El2aZeR yes he CAN do it again. 

And you "allowed' (or you were parked) to have him line up a FULL strike exactly on the mid of your ship.

And then were unlucky on top to have him get 3 cits - instead of missing completely, hitting turrets and whatever. 

 

BTW if you're THAT good, in that case maybe regard such a hit from CV as being "balanz comrade". 

In order to pen my hull I need to be poorly angled. Superstructure itself doesn't have 20k hp. Pretty difficult thing to do, eh?

Now here come the airplanes, bye 24% of my HP, bye carry.

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, UnderDuress said:

With maths like this I guess CVs aren’t OP after all.

They are not OP. They are just broken as FFFF.

 

The main problems are simple. With CV themselves:

1. they always get away and you cannot really retaliate;

2. as such, they are a pest the whole game and usually live until the end;

3. then, IF they are spotted, they burn for 5 secs and have endless damage control;

4. They can keep up their plane-force but you cannot keep AA to 100%;

5. AA is too dodge-able. 

 

Related:

6. They spot everything for the whole team

7. As such, even if the CV is not out for you, you get "collateral damage" anyway.

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 minute ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

In order to pen my hull I need to be poorly angled. Superstructure itself doesn't have 20k hp. Pretty difficult thing to do, eh?

I wouldn't know what HP every part has. But 20K is not hard to do. 

 

1 minute ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

Now here come the airplanes, bye 24% of my HP, bye carry.

Yeah balanz comrade. I guess the CV pilot recognized the main threath, then?

 

[UnderDuress]

23 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

They are not OP. They are just broken as FFFF.

Not sure what your semantic distinction is. But in a world where you choose to use this as an argument:

48 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

3x 8.800 is quite a bit less than 20.000

CVs are the lesser of issues.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

42 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

I wouldn't know what HP every part has. But 20K is not hard to do. 

Not against 95% of the playerbase, but it is darn hard against the remaining 5%.

[VidoDasler]

Being as it is at the moment, and not seeing changes on the horizon with the CV problem, I have decided not to renew my premium account for this year and suspend my dailly playing,. This after 5 years of WoWs.  Money is the only language they seem to understand.

[BLUB__BLUB]

35 minutes ago, UnderDuress said:

Not sure what your semantic distinction is. But in a world where you choose to use this as an argument:

CVs are the lesser of issues.

Well yes. OP = putting out insane damage. But wait, then there's Roosevelt. 

And yes CVs are the lesser of issues. There's many many ways to fix them, just WG won't do it. 

 

5 minutes ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

Not against 95% of the playerbase, but it is darn hard against the remaining 5%.

That remaining 5% is just as susceptible to RNG as the rest. 
Maybe you are very very good in your poisitioning and everything. 

However someday you'll screw up or be unlucky. 

 

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

2 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

That remaining 5% is just as susceptible to RNG as the rest. 
Maybe you are very very good in your poisitioning and everything. 

However someday you'll screw up or be unlucky. 

 

Using game mechanics, such as armour layout, positioning and etcetera has nothing to do with RNG.

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

Using game mechanics, such as armour layout, positioning and etcetera has nothing to do with RNG.

RNG is also a game mechanic. 

 

Note - you'll probably be able to deny such a hit to 95% of the CV-pilots as well.

But not to the last 5%, be they either lucky or good. 

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

3 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

RNG is also a game mechanic. 

 

Note - you'll probably be able to deny such a hit to 95% of the CV-pilots as well.

But not to the last 5%, be they either lucky or good. 

It doesn't matter how good you RNG is. You won't be able to have those kinds of numbers against good players, unless they let you. Thunderer can only overmatch the superstructure, which doesn't have that much HP (gamemodels3d.com). This is the difference between normal ship classes and carriers. Carriers can do this insane amount of damage and only depend on RNG. 

You wanting to do such insane amount of damage to another player means you need to outplay him.

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 minute ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

It doesn't matter how good you RNG is. You won't be able to have those kinds of numbers against good players, unless they let you.

RNG matters. I have no problem broadsiding a Currywurst, 9/10 he doesn't even hit me.
A Thunderer though... and the other statement is t just BS. "unless they let you". 

That would mean a match between tose very good players would just end with no kills and little damage.

 

 

1 minute ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

Thunderer can only overmatch the superstructure, which doesn't have that much HP (gamemodels3d.com). This is the difference between normal ship classes and carriers. Carriers can do this insane amount of damage and only depend on RNG. 

Thunderer can get pens everywhere. It is not just overmatch that counts. 

Also, that CV can only get 3 pens if he manages to have 3 planes survive, lines them up correctly (or you do not move)

and then he needs to drop at the correct moment (height) AND have RNGesus accept his sheep.

 

1 minute ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

You wanting to do such insane amount of damage to another player means you need to outplay him.

Well, in CVs it is just easier. Then again in a CV you'll not have 20K damage (or more) every 26 seconds.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

8 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

RNG matters. I have no problem broadsiding a Currywurst, 9/10 he doesn't even hit me.
A Thunderer though... and the other statement is t just BS. "unless they let you". 

That would mean a match between tose very good players would just end with no kills and little damage.

 

 

Thunderer can get pens everywhere. It is not just overmatch that counts. 

Also, that CV can only get 3 pens if he manages to have 3 planes survive, lines them up correctly (or you do not move)

and then he needs to drop at the correct moment (height) AND have RNGesus accept his sheep.

 

Well, in CVs it is just easier. Then again in a CV you'll not have 20K damage (or more) every 26 seconds.

I think the skill difference is too big, since I don't know how to explain this to you, but the chance that you can do 20k damage in a salvo to my Montana is 0%.

 

EDIT: In your world you can, even than I can still repair 50% of that damage, where when a CV citadels me = 10%.

[BLUB__BLUB]

32 minutes ago, LemonadeWarriorITA said:

I think the skill difference is too big, since I don't know how to explain this to you, but the chance that you can do 20k damage in a salvo to my Montana is 0%.

 

EDIT: In your world you can, even than I can still repair 50% of that damage, where when a CV citadels me = 10%.

You still don't seem to grasp that I regularly DO 20K damage, with AP - which you can't repair (well 10% maybe). 

And yes that also happens to unicum players, done by potaters like me.

 

It is not a matter of skill difference. It is a matter of considering yourself to big to fail, I think.

As in, "I am so good (OK you are good) this should not happen to me". In a real game that would be true.
But this game has so much RNG (and RNG on RNG) it's simply BS. I've done it before and wil do it again.

 

However, CV happens regardless of skill. It happens because WG wanted them to be easier to play.

So, it happens to you as well. Your skill is irrelevant, get used to it. There is some stuff you can do but not enough.

Apparently you think that, because you are good, you should come off better? Well no. Or maybe you can.
Because if you are good, you can make those 20K hits on you, less common than on others. But you'll still have them. 

 

Basically you say other BBs never get 20K off you, so a CV also should never get 20K off you.

While the first statement is kinda LOL, the second is simply untrue - CVs are much easier to get hits with. 

Playing a Cv is like getting a 20% boost to hitrate. But that 20K is kinda the max and he needs to be lucky/good to get it. 

It is almost the same as blapping a BB in another BB. Guess that is also something that never happens to you. 

 

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

the left mouse button is on the top left of your mouse 

[_HomTanks_]

On 11/22/2020 at 2:20 PM, Execute0rder66 said:

The reticule nerf to CVs really helped DDs a lot...or perhaps not? 

 

Edit: Uploaded the video to YT. 46 seconds  could be one of the fastest ship sinks?

 

 

 

Got rid of the enemy CV with MWR in almost 5 minutes.

 

 

[DFens_666]

21 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Basically you say other BBs never get 20K off you, so a CV also should never get 20K off you.

 

 

I wonder which one is the problem here (me = Yamato)

And i dont think i got that potential damage from the CV with his ~25k potential per attack. Ok TBF, i took in the end a (or maybe it was 2 im not sure anymore) Zao torps because it didnt matter anymore. Anyway, if it was 1 i was almost dead if it was 2 the 2nd dealt like couple of k damage at most.

 

Also we have to remember, that Bombs/Torps dont saturate your superstructure, which means you can get leeched by HE spammers and CV doesnt care about that, because he only deals damage to citadel or other hull sections.

Its funny to get attacked by CV *yay only 17k HP lost to AP bombs*

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

36 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Basically you say other BBs never get 20K off you, so a CV also should never get 20K off you.

By playing the game I deny other BBs from doing 20k to me in one salvo. All I am asking for is that WG provides me with a mechanic that does the same against carriers.

 

Thanks @DFens_666for adding a picture for what I am trying to say.

[GarrusBrutus]

Just dodge. Just adapt. Just group up. 

Honestly why would anyone voluntarily play a TX BB.

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

I wonder which one is the problem here (me = Yamato)

And i dont think i got that potential damage from the CV with his ~25k potential per attack. Ok TBF, i took in the end a (or maybe it was 2 im not sure anymore) Zao torps because it didnt matter anymore. Anyway, if it was 1 i was almost dead if it was 2 the 2nd dealt like couple of k damage at most.

Well the problem here is that you were in Yamato, for starters. A nice XP-pinata. 

Now it depends what other ships your team has. You might not be the most desirable. 

If you are closest to the CV, not moving much, and alone, then you are his prime target. 

 

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Also we have to remember, that Bombs/Torps dont saturate your superstructure, which means you can get leeched by HE spammers and CV doesnt care about that, because he only deals damage to citadel or other hull sections.

Its funny to get attacked by CV *yay only 17k HP lost to AP bombs*

What he says is he is so good, 20K by AP bombs IN ONE HIT should not be possible to happen to him. 

Well we know it's gonna happen anyway, as a CV can hit whatever he wants. 

You can make it less attractive or more difficult but if he wants you dead then you are basically dead. 

 

He usually won't do 20K in one hit though. But he also doesn't need to be unicum.

I once got 180K from 2 BBs, they just kept coming to me but I just retreated, they didn;t avoid anything,

in the end I killed both of them (and some others). Duh. 17K? LOL.

 

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

I once got 180K from 2 BBs, they just kept coming to me but I just retreated, they didn;t avoid anything, 

in the end I killed both of them (and some others). Duh. 17K? LOL.

 

You describe the issue, but you dont seem to understand the connection to CVs.

So there are 2 BB players, who are so bad that you can get 180k damage from them. Nice, but lets change those 2 BBs and how about its @LemonadeWarriorITA and me in those BBs against you? Do you think, we will just roll over and die like they did? Ofc not.

The difference is the skill level. Not only your own skill matters, but so does the skill of the opponents you face. For CVs, this is not true. Aslong as the CV player gets through the AA, he can deal a lot of damage, regardless of what i do myself. Not to mention, a good CV player who can pretty much deal 3-4 cits with every attack they make. Either way, my skill matters very little.

- CV dies to flak -> not my skill

- CV [edited] up the drop -> not my skill / or very little if i can just-dodge-tm, but mostly its his fault that he effed up

- CV gets strike through -> not my skill

- CV bombs me for 25k -> not my skill