_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #5251 Posted November 22, 2020 26 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said: So for randoms kinda ok but better for CB... I'm just concerned about this speed of planes. Relatively like Ark Royal on T10. Shikishima is good if you can aim good. You can deal 50K+ from 23KM+ while you can also deal low dmg from 10KM due to overpens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NTT] arquata2019_ Players 2,248 posts 17,480 battles Report post #5252 Posted November 23, 2020 11 ore fa, Execute0rder66 ha scritto: Shikishima is good if you can aim good. You can deal 50K+ from 23KM+ while you can also deal low dmg from 10KM due to overpens. a question... (mighty pikachu here to save the humor's people) is shikishima a sniper jackal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #5253 Posted November 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, arquata2019 said: a question... (mighty pikachu here to save the humor's people) is shikishima a sniper jackal? Short answer: Yes. Long answer: It is a Yamato with bigger guns and minor differences and Musashi, Yamato, Shikishima are all natural born snipers. Not only because they can shoot long distances, but also they are slow ships, have weak broadside, weak AA (whatever AA means) which prevent them to be effective and deadly brawlers. Steering these ships even in mid ranges require close attention to enemy positions at all times. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SITH-] POIfection Players 220 posts 6,028 battles Report post #5254 Posted November 24, 2020 You need to ban CV players who are bad as its completely unfair when you are in a battle with a Good vs Bad CV player. Or at least send them back to T4 or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashardalon_Dragnipur Players 493 posts 5,497 battles Report post #5255 Posted November 24, 2020 there are enough CVs at tier4 not like a CV can learn anything there as there is no aa 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #5256 Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said: there are enough CVs at tier4 not like a CV can learn anything there as there is no aa tier 4 cvs should get +6 MM, to teach them the meaning of AA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NTT] arquata2019_ Players 2,248 posts 17,480 battles Report post #5257 Posted November 24, 2020 8 ore fa, LoveZeppelin ha scritto: tier 4 cvs should get +6 MM, to teach them the meaning of AA. i remember playing hosho (very start of my carries learning), when i got t6-7 ships such as scharnhorst (was quite rare), i had to attack knowing my planes wont last a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #5258 Posted November 24, 2020 15 hours ago, POIfection said: You need to ban CV players who are bad as its completely unfair when you are in a battle with a Good vs Bad CV player. Or at least send them back to T4 or something. They are. If you're not much good then you are basically limited to T6 max. Even there you need to be "reasonable" else you bleed credits like a leaking bucket. There is no way a tater player can keep up playing T8, unless he uses premium CVs and/or buys premium time. At T10 - just forget it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #5259 Posted November 24, 2020 15 hours ago, LoveZeppelin said: tier 4 cvs should get +6 MM, to teach them the meaning of AA. I always like getting T9 when fail-divving a T6 CV. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #5260 Posted November 24, 2020 @arquata2019 & @LoveZeppelin yes really: 54K in Ark Royal, T9 - 1 kill Spoiler 86K in Ark Royal, T9 - 2 kills Spoiler 67K in Furious, T9 (and a torpedo on a DD, LOL) Spoiler 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #5261 Posted November 24, 2020 Next time in CB, if it is T10 you can get a T8 CV... BRING IT ON. Oh crap haven't got Enterprise... ah well... I guess Shokek will do... Spoiler My stats in 3-div.... yes I have been slacking. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #5262 Posted November 24, 2020 3 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Even there you need to be "reasonable" else you bleed credits like a leaking bucket. Of course only if one doesn't not know how stop this "bleeding" by playing mid-tier ships to make money. Playing some T5/6 premium ships with "gimme the money" flags etc and doing kinda good in them makes you a shipload of money, which allows you to be lousy in T8+ CVs without any problem. So potatos can play any ships they want, if they just not play them exclusively. Just take a look at the number of potatoes playing T10 ships and you would see that your argument is... kinda... Trump-ish 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-E] FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor Players 3,532 posts 29,238 battles Report post #5263 Posted November 24, 2020 It occurs to me this might be a good time to look back at what WG reps said at that CC summit Q&A in St Petersburg last year, and maybe consider how well it all held up. Just a little retrospective. How do you expect to balance aircraft carriers?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBAc6jkPPY&t=545s How do you plan to maintain flanking and solo playing instead of blobbing up as the only viable tactic while at the same time also making it possible for the carrier to enjoy his gameplay?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBAc6jkPPY&t=679s In patch 0.8.5, it seems you are insisting to maintain the concept of having AA with a continuous damage per second (DPS), so it almost always guarantees at least one or two planes are shot down in an attack, even if you attack the most unskilled player. Up to which point is the player still playing the game, with his skills? At which point does the game start to play the player?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBAc6jkPPY&t=778s Not only does AA get destroyed, it is also especially fragile. This leads to yet more more passive gameplay as players avoid fights with certain ships to avoid losing too much AA and be farmed by the carrier even more easily. Also since the Defensive AA consumable is limited in number, I hesitate to use it to help out team mates but save it for myself. How do you plan to address this issue?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBAc6jkPPY&t=1060s Have you ever considered to let the Repair Party consumable restore some AA that was lost in attacks?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBAc6jkPPY&t=1180s Formerly very strong AA ships like Atlanta are now complete garbage. Do you have ideas of how to address that?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBAc6jkPPY&t=1230s High-tier German cruisers used to have solid if not outstanding AA before the rework. They still do, but the range is rather short, even some destroyers have a longer AA range. Why is that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBAc6jkPPY&t=3924s On the other servers, CVs have been capped to one per side. Why not on the NA server? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIBAc6jkPPY&t=4050s 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAMAR] Puffin_ Players 737 posts Report post #5264 Posted November 24, 2020 This video is about CV 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-E] FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor Players 3,532 posts 29,238 battles Report post #5265 Posted November 24, 2020 Vor 21 Stunden, Puffin_ sagte: This video is about CV Watch it directly after watching the Q&A from one and a half years ago I posted directly above it. Only that way can you truly appreciate the game-balancing genius that is WG. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #5266 Posted November 24, 2020 6 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Next time in CB, if it is T10 you can get a T8 CV... BRING IT ON. Oh crap haven't got Enterprise... ah well... I guess Shokek will do... Reveal hidden contents My stats in 3-div.... yes I have been slacking. actually this is something I have proposed time and again, t8 CVs are much more proportionate to t10 surface ship gameplay and t10 maps (both Random and CB). here is an idea, why don't we just delete all tier 10 CVs, reintroduce odd tier CVs; while capping tech tree progression at tier 8? The t10 CV population is lamentably small, and unpopular, anyway, it is hardly worth the developer's time and effort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #5267 Posted November 24, 2020 The answer to how they will adress formerly great AA ships like Atlanta being a shadow of their former selves: dev says I looked it up and Atlanta has stronkest AA of tier 7 8 and 9. Me: Absolutely that is why I havent touched that ship that I bought for money in over 1.5 year because its totally unfair to carriers. I stopped paying these people for good reasons. What the.. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[A7] Captaindanz Players 402 posts 27,265 battles Report post #5268 Posted November 24, 2020 Playing a CV is equal to riding a bike with 20 training wheels, but according to WG CVS are in a fine state. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #5269 Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Captaindanz said: Playing a CV is equal to riding a bike with 20 training wheels, but according to WG CVS are in a fine state. This is literally the first time that I think Flamu released a funny video that is worth watching. And very educational, too. +1 interwebz for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPAST] Flosedus Players 67 posts 8,421 battles Report post #5270 Posted November 25, 2020 Yep, that video says it all. CVs are frustrating everybody apart from the CV players. Or, maybe it sucks even for them. I am rarely playing CV, but whenever I do, it is just boring as [edited]. I just dont understand how WG can justify the current state of CVs. Is there statements containing proper arguments one could agree on? I am actually wondering, how close the important streamers are to quit the game. Flamu becomes obviously more and more annoyed. Flambass recently philosophized about leaving as well: Essentially, the only thing holding him back seems to be the community he built up over the years... Maybe WG is sensing the end and therefore are trying to milk as much and as quickly as possible before people loose interest. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-E] FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor Players 3,532 posts 29,238 battles Report post #5271 Posted November 25, 2020 If these streamers were really bothered by CVs, they would actively resist. Instead, all they do is rant and complain, which is good for WG's business and for theirs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashardalon_Dragnipur Players 493 posts 5,497 battles Report post #5272 Posted November 25, 2020 can someone explain how refusing to do clan battles hurts WG? clan battles give rewards, letting people get ships and flags from those rewards without spending money i dont see how having less of those hurts WG how are clan battles profitable? its not like its some great, heavily watched e-sports event fully support the not giving a cent to WG idea tho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #5273 Posted November 25, 2020 Flambass is as big a sore loser as he is a good player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,168 battles Report post #5274 Posted November 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: Flambass is as big a sore loser as he is a good player. Played with Flambass together in CBs and he is neither of that outside of his streamer personality 3 hours ago, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said: fully support the not giving a cent to WG idea tho Yeah if only there were enough players following this mindset which there are not. WG is selling whatever new they bring to the prem. Shop very successfully. Also good luck trying to convince those people that spend a lot and just don't care the whole CV topic. If CVs were as much of a problem for the community as a vocal minority trues to make them be (im not saying they aren't OP or broken) then this forum and reddit would look much different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-WB-] KayaYautja Players 15 posts 6,030 battles Report post #5275 Posted November 25, 2020 So. Much. Fun. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
