[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,888 battles Report post #5151 Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, AndyHill said: There's no need for any checkboxes for removing any ship classes from the game. Just a checkbox to remove planes from a ship game, and that is a concrete suggestion and will solve a lot. solve what? What about the people who wants to play CVs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #5152 Posted November 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Excavatus said: solve what? What about the people who wants to play CVs? We can do without these people, or people could do without carriers for a whle, it's 4% of the ships played right? WG could redesign carriers into something intelligent and fun to play instead of the current simplistic yet over represented in gameplay influence (no not WR but breaking spotting, flanking, traps and all other crap they unwillingly dissolve into blubber). I'd even restart buying ships from WG again which will probably make up for lost revenue of at least 2 or 3 lost carrier mains ^^ 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] AndyHill Weekend Tester 1,433 posts Report post #5153 Posted November 17, 2020 It would solve the problem of having an extremely disruptive, game ruining mechanism in the games for those who don't like such things. People who want to play CVs will still be able to play with those who don't choose the option, which is probably quite a few players. And if that's not enough, just increase the number of CVs per battle since they're now playing only with people who like them or alternatively fill the slots with the nasty bots from test server, if you give them plausible player names the CVs won't notice any difference anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[REGIN] WarDax Players 138 posts Report post #5154 Posted November 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Excavatus said: On the other hand, This is my personal opinion coming from a 15 years of corporate experience, CV rework was an enormous project, which I expect leaded by someone very high on the food chain. That project cost a lot of money and time to the WG, so accepting failure and saying "CV rework failed, we need same amount of money and time to rework it again" which will translate into the board "Hello I wasted enormous resources, and I'd like to try again!" which I believe on a corporate level will result in some heads falling off.. which I believe will not happen :) Our (as in my employer) latest product cost several hundred million euros euros so I kinda get what you are saying. I just choose to ignore it since I am here as a player, not a stockholder... 3 hours ago, Excavatus said: The problem is, most of the playerbase is oblivious about the game in general, so they don't form any coherent ideas. I do not understand that statement? Can you please elaborate? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #5155 Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Excavatus said: solve what? What about the people who wants to play CVs? what about them? I want to play Zeppelins in game, I can't. So what. We can't always have what we want, time to teach the kids playerbase this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Lordcrafty Players 467 posts 11,760 battles Report post #5156 Posted November 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said: what about them? I want to play Zeppelins in game, I can't. So what. We can't always have what we want, time to teach the kids playerbase this. I think the better wording is: What about the people who have spent time and money on CVs? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #5157 Posted November 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Elborshooter said: 205 pages of people throwing random crap at each other, plus, I think at 205 you should consider getting some breathing room, just try to find one information in there, sometimes to get to the start of a discussion you have to go dozens of pages before, it's absolutely incomprehensible and you've got a moderator that'd rather coax others into more insult throwing than actually moderate I see more posts about how crap this topic is, posts that throw crap at people who are crapping on CVs, than posts about how crap CVs are. However, there are many excellent posts in this thread, unfortunately, whoever combs through these topics to collate useful and constructive ideas/opinions, is not interested in highlighting them. I think it suits some at WG to see crticism discredited, dismissed, at best as you say, buried beneath a pile of a dozen pages of nothing. So you have a project, comb through all 205 pages, create a new topic, containing all the highlights of interesting/original comments from this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #5158 Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Lordcrafty said: I think the better wording is: What about the people who have spent time and money on CVs? I can't use the F word, can I? Seriously, what about the people who used to play RTS CVs, did you care about them back in 2018? Of course you didn't, nobody did. RTS CVers had to suck it up, why can't Rework CVers? I'm sure WG would not have any problem reimbursing your premium CVs with doublons (as they offered to do for RTS CVers in 2018). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Lordcrafty Players 467 posts 11,760 battles Report post #5159 Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said: I see more posts about how crap this topic is, posts that throw crap at people who are crapping on CVs, than posts about how crap CVs are. However, there are many excellent posts in this thread, unfortunately, whoever combs through these topics to collate useful and constructive ideas/opinions, is not interested in highlighting them. I think it suits some at WG to see crticism discredited, dismissed, at best as you say, buried beneath a pile of a dozen pages of nothing. So you have a project, comb through all 205 pages, create a new topic, containing all the highlights of interesting/original comments from this one. lol, when it comes down to it what do you thing this forum topic is for? Complaints, if so I think you're quite mistaken. No wargaming employees are going to be looking through this topic for any feedback on CVs you can be sure about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] Lordcrafty Players 467 posts 11,760 battles Report post #5160 Posted November 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said: I can't use the F word, can I? Seriously, what about the people who used to play RTS CVs, did you care about them back in 2018? Of course you didn't, nobody did. RTS CVers had to suck it up, why can't Rework CVers? I'm sure WG would not have any problem reimbursing your premium CVs with doublons (as they offered to do for RTS CVers in 2018). you're equating two different things. The rework was a change in gameplay, we're now talking about complete removal of a ship class. edit: Ahh some of the odd tier ships were removed granted, but hey I wasn't even around for that and if I was I would have been arguing against the CV rework as much as possible lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #5161 Posted November 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said: What about the people who have spent time and money on CVs? Reimburse their value in doubloons for premiums, free exp for tech tree ships as they have done before and call it a day. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #5162 Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said: you're equating two different things. The rework was a change in gameplay, we're now talking about complete removal of a ship class. Officially it was not a change. Officially the Rework was the complete removal of a class (RTS CVs), hence refunds of doublons and free xp. It is why the stats from RTS cvs have not carried over. This is how the Rework was explained to me, back in 2018/19 by Wargaming Staff, to justify the "inconvenience", of Rework Cvs having no relation to old RTS gameplay. It is the same thing. Suck it up m8 (if it ever happens, because I promise, you won't get any sympathy from the majority of the playerbase). 3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: Reimburse their value in doubloons for premiums, don't give any compensation for tech tree ships as they have done before and call it a day. We were compensated with freeXP for the tech tree CVs, to spend as we wanted (I used mine to insta research the tech tree Reworked CVs - which I kinda regret now!) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #5163 Posted November 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said: We were compensated with freeXP for the tech tree CVs, to spend as we wanted Oh yeah, that happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #5164 Posted November 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, El2aZeR said: Oh yeah, that happened. Do you recall the pain, frustration and desolation we felt, as WeeGee dentists extracted (without anesthetic,) using a rusty pair of pliers, and threw away our odd tier CVs, such as Hiryu (my fav) and Essex? The entire community of non Cv players were openly delighted. Such an irony now to read Rework CVers, complain about how unfair it would be if this happened to them. edit : nothing is impossible with WG, they have inconsistency in the DNA, give a couple of years and they may realize it is better to cut their losses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #5165 Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said: Do you recall the pain, frustration and desolation we felt Not really. I had TST access so I knew the glorious free farming that was coming our way. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] Miragetank90 Players 2,626 posts 18,702 battles Report post #5166 Posted November 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said: and threw away our odd tier CVs, such as Hiryu (my fav) and Essex? Losing my Essex was perhaps the most thing of all in this pepega rework. I'm still waiting for it to come back to the tech tree. A certain friend of mine is also waiting on his Zuiho. Can you guess who? 23 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said: The entire community of non Cv players were openly delighted. That changed pretty quickly, hue. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #5167 Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Miragetank90 said: That changed pretty quickly, hue. what goes around, comes around 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] Miragetank90 Players 2,626 posts 18,702 battles Report post #5168 Posted November 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said: what goes around, comes around 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FellRaven Players 149 posts Report post #5169 Posted November 17, 2020 If you aren't going to Provide a No CV Option then something positive has to be done to improve the experience of non-CV players. My preferred option is No CV (I don't like them they don't fit with the rest of the game) but failing that could we balance CVs the same way every other ship type has been!!!! Cruisers and DDs can kill Battleships, Battleships can kill Cruisers and DDs the elephant in the room is CVs which are immune to any counter play. You could start by re-introducing AA as it stands you can do everything right and your AA does nothing! AA particularly close range should target the aircraft in the attack flight and planes shouldn't swoop down to replace them! I don't mind CVs being able to attack me but I need an effective way to defend myself. Why is the only class with effective AA are the Carriers. "Fighter Consumable" why do CV fighters appear so much better than ships fighters, this is an arcade game before you answer. Fighter Consumable 9 times out of 10 they don't engage they are worthless. Rocket Plans to kill DDs, Fighters acting as scouts above smoke this is not balanced. Rocket planes should be removed, only spotter planes should be able to spot (Fighter Consumables can't) CV's Auto-Fighters, Auto-AA, only burning for 3 seconds I think somebody said, it's insane. If CVs were balanced people wouldn't mind playing against them. I've been in games where we have had three ships left and the enemy had a CV and guess who wins. Wargaming please for the love of god listen to the majority of the players and start balancing CVs or face another expensive re-work or worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Nov_A Beta Tester 1,292 posts 13,123 battles Report post #5170 Posted November 17, 2020 24 minutes ago, FellRaven said: CV's Auto-Fighters, Auto-AA, only burning for 3 seconds I think somebody said, it's insane. You forgot the inability to get detonated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #5171 Posted November 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Nov_A said: You forgot the inability to get detonated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #5172 Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Excavatus said: solve what? What about the people who wants to play CVs? There has been the idea to give the CVs their own gamemode, where they can happily sink PVE ships - bots - as they won't see any change in gameplay to now anyway... Send out planes, sink ships, rinse, repeat... for the CV it doesn't change anything if the target a human player or a bot... except that the bot - probably - won't give the CV player any negative Karma... Edited November 17, 2020 by Deckeru_Maiku Typos 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #5173 Posted November 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said: There has been the idea to give the CVs their own gamemode, where they can happily sink PVE ships - bots - as they won't see any change in gameplay to now anyway... Send out planes, sink ships, rinse, repeat... for the CV it doesn't change anything if the target a human player or a bot... except that the bot - probably - won't give the CV player any negative Karma... Crazy idea: Can also make CVs totaly OP in that gamemode, because who cares 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAMAR] Puffin_ Players 737 posts Report post #5174 Posted November 17, 2020 I would happily change my CV's for something else. But I would have to get something really good for the Enterprise ( witch I god from Container) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,888 battles Report post #5175 Posted November 18, 2020 18 hours ago, WarDax said: I do not understand that statement? Can you please elaborate? yeah, basically, a great majority of the playerbase does not give a flying skybuck about things going on in the game as long as they go boom boom in big nasty ships. So you can't make them unhappy :) 17 hours ago, Miragetank90 said: A certain friend of mine is also waiting on his Zuiho. Can you guess who? oh for the love of god, can you two please get a room already!!!! PS: what? no! .. I'm not jealous!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
