General CV related discussions.

[Elborshooter]

À l'instant, ColonelPete a dit :

205 pages disagree with you...

205 pages of people throwing random crap at each other, plus, I think at 205 you should consider getting some breathing room, just try to find one information in there, sometimes to get to the start of  a discussion you have to go dozens of pages before, it's absolutely incomprehensible and you've got a moderator that'd rather coax others into more insult throwing than actually moderate

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Elborshooter said:

...and you've got a moderator that'd rather coax others into more insult throwing than actually moderate

Where have you seen that? Do you have an example?

[Allied_Winter]

One post had to be edited. Please adhere to the forum rules and make not use of foul language or insults.

 

Also keep in mind that OT about the need of one thread where all the discussion is gathered as a whole is a separate topic and should be discussed in the appropriate section of the forums.

[Elborshooter]

Il y a 1 minute, ColonelPete a dit :

Where have you seen that? Do you have an example?

Just scroll to his last message, about 2 hours ago, that's your example

[DasTongle]

17 minutes ago, Elborshooter said:

Just scroll to his last message, about 2 hours ago, that's your example

 

You mean the one where to tick off at a Moderator that is sacrificing his free time to keep this Forum barely readable?

Where you trump like without much proof or reason go off at a clearly ironic post?

Shall we safe space label content for you now?

I am sorry but the displayed choice of words not exactly endears one to enter an intellectual discourse. With an exchange of arguments that get weighted by both sides and not brushed aside in the populistic "WG doesn't allow discussion".

[WarDax]

3 hours ago, Excavatus said:

I wan't a checkbox to disable DDs in game.. I may use it when I play my BBs.. 

while we are at it, lets have some No Cruiser checkbox, may be no radar checkbox, oh and no BB checkbox. 

Playing cruisers without BBs.. is amazing.. 

 

Humpf... so how do I put this.

You nuke my complaint about a game mechanic that seems to be causing 200 plus pages of grief - that we know of - from many players, by trying to ridicule it?

 

I am not alone. I made my case and read other posts from players having similar issues with CV's being overpowered and/or unbalanced effectively ruining the game for us who wants a more surface battle experience. And we are legion.

I'll take on a BB or a DD, any ship anytime. In a surface battle. Just yesterday I ran my brand spanking new Groser Kurfust in to the middle of a map to take the hits it can take and grant my team some leeway to chop up the opponents. I am no coward and I will take on anything, but I am not stupid either (round of applauses) and while I am still learning the game as I advance in my ship tree, there are some scenarios that are so bad I just want to quit early and take another game ban.  Having said that, somewhere down the line I realize that I can, sometimes, do some good and help my team achieve victory, but in any game with a carrier I see that chance diminish a lot. If it is a good player behind the flight controls, even more so. I can only hope my own teams CV knows what he is doing.

 

I make a concrete suggestion from what I know of the game, the checkbox. I could just rant about my disadventures and complain withut end on why the game is "bad", but I do not do that, I see a problem in the gameplay that affects many, check it up, and I suggest something to counter it. That is a constructive approach, perhaps naïve but still,  I am no game developer nor adliberted to the statistics of gameplay and what they say about wins and losses when CV's are involved. Perhaps you are, I don't know. Given the opportunity I will try to take out a CV and feel good about it. Some may argue that may have become a target for me, thus lets keep the CV then WarDax will sink them and be happy... you may not be entirely wrong about that, but it is not my goal nor how I want to play the game.

 

 

[Excavatus]

Just now, WarDax said:

I make a concrete suggestion from what I know of the game, the checkbox

I neither did ridicule nor nuke it.. 

sorry but it is not a concrete suggestion. 

 

No CV games is an advantage for DDs for example, 

so what do you think will happen If that checkbox goes live? 

how many DD captains will NOT check that box do you think? 

does that number shows the CVs are a problem? 

 

I'm asking the same question, 

How many BB captains will pick a "No DD checkbox" they have the choice? 

or no BB checkbox for cruiser captains? 

 

giving people that choice will not solve anything and it is not a sensible or "concrete" suggestion. 

 

[GarrusBrutus]

45 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

so what do you think will happen If that checkbox goes live? 

CVs can wait for ever to get into a match with only hallands/frieslands/kidds probably. 

 

50 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

I'm asking the same question, 

How many BB captains will pick a "No DD checkbox" they have the choice? 

or no BB checkbox for cruiser captains? 

Less % than the ones who will opt out of cv battles since we do not have a 205 page long thread about DDs, CAs nor bbs.

47 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

giving people that choice will not solve anything and it is not a sensible or "concrete" suggestion. 

Ofcourse it won't solve anything but if it was only implemented for a week it would once and for all show how the ENTIRE playerbase thinks about cvs and not just the "vocal minority on the forums/reddit etc.". 

 

[Excavatus]

17 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Ofcourse it won't solve anything but if it was only implemented for a week it would once and for all show how the ENTIRE playerbase thinks about cvs and not just the "vocal minority on the forums/reddit etc.". 

The problem is, most of the playerbase is oblivious about the game in general, so they don't form any coherent ideas. 

Which in turn, gives the enough numbers into the holy spreadsheet to tell WG that it is ok about the CVs. 

 

On the other hand, This is my personal opinion coming from a 15 years of corporate experience, 

CV rework was an enormous project, which I expect leaded by someone very high on the food chain. 

That project cost a lot of money and time to the WG, so accepting failure and saying "CV rework failed, we need same amount of money and time to rework it again" which will translate into the board "Hello I wasted enormous resources, and I'd like to try again!" which I believe on a corporate level will result in some heads falling off.. which I believe will not happen :) 

 

So, from my own imagination, CV rework right now is not about having a good game or not, it is all about bussiness and general level of attention and care of the playerbase helping them to save their skin :) 

Bottom line is, yes I believe yes we are a vocal minority, not because the majority loves the CVs, but they basically don't care... 

 

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

12 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

is all about bussiness and general level of attention and care of the playerbase helping them to save their skin :) 

 

Good Points @Excavatus  I think a lot of " Whales " have moved on which is a shame.

[GarrusBrutus]

7 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

The problem is, most of the playerbase is oblivious about the game in general, so they don't form any coherent ideas. 

Which in turn, gives the enough numbers into the holy spreadsheet to tell WG that it is ok about the CVs. 

We do not know if they are oblivious because most of the playerbase isnt as invested and will sadly never visit the forum or any other form of platform. But perhaps you are right. Although most of the playerbase falls into the 45%-52% wr category, even they can form ideas of gamebalance/enjoyment. Unfortunately we will never know.

12 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

CV rework is all about bussiness

Yeah, that was obvious to me from the very first notion of a cv rework. :)

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, Excavatus said:

No CV games is an advantage for DDs for example, 

so what do you think will happen If that checkbox goes live? 

Almost everyone playing DD, CA and BB ticking that box. 

I think it's a silly idea, but it's not like every class has the same issues with eachother. All classes have issues with carriers.

[DFens_666]

5 hours ago, Excavatus said:

I wan't a checkbox to disable DDs in game.. I may use it when I play my BBs.. 

while we are at it, lets have some No Cruiser checkbox, may be no radar checkbox, oh and no BB checkbox. 

Playing cruisers without BBs.. is amazing.. 

 

 

Id be up for the test. I doubt the majority would actually remove their own counters. If that would be the case, why would DDs get only BBs in their team? Afterall, DDs would remove Cruisers, but BBs would also remove DDs, so... DDs cant get BBs as their target

CVs however are the counter to everything, so you could expect players from all other classes to remove CVs. Why would a CV pick to play without DDs? Or Cruisers? Well maybe some would if they think, Cruisers actually have good AA But you would need BBs/DDs to actually want to play with CVs, so..

 

Another thing ive said before would be, that you can only remove a class which you didnt play yourself in the last month. So if you played a CV, you cant opt out of CVs. Same for all other classes. At best CVs can play their own game, taking some BBabies with them into their own protective bubble.

Sounds like win-win to me

[Excavatus]

Just now, DFens_666 said:

Why would a CV pick to play without DDs? Or Cruisers?

I would pick "without DD option" in my MvR or FDR.. 

or I can pick no cruiser with Midway... 

 

But my point is.. I'm not saying CVs are ok.. Hell I've expressed myself more than enough times that I believe they are broken beyond any repair hope in their current situation. 

But giving people a choice to remove them is not the answer.. 

 

My thought is always the same, 

CVs made almost all surface ships obsolete in RL, and it is impossible to balance them with the results WG wants to achieve.. 

so I don't think they have a place in this game... but thats my personal opinion.. 

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Excavatus said:

My thought is always the same, 

CVs made almost all surface ships obsolete in RL, and it is impossible to balance them with the results WG wants to achieve.. 

so I don't think they have a place in this game... but thats my personal opinion.. 

 

Yes i agree. On its own, CVs can be balanced. But as we both know, noone would play them anymore except for a very few people. That alone tells us, the majority of players dont actually want CVs. They only play them, when they are brokenly OP. So i guess WG is quite happy right now (maybe?). Pretty shitty design, but not shitty enough for people to run off.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

How many ever day players, play an Aircraft Carrier?

 

The week day player numbers per day in World of Warships, are down so I doubt there will be many.

[Excavatus]

3 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

, when they are brokenly OP. 

My enterprise took offense from that you know? I don't have %75 WR with her while I have %58 general not because she is OP.. but she loves me so much...  

1 minute ago, Buccaneer1 said:

How many ever day players, play an Aircraft Carrier?

 

The week day player numbers per day in World of Warships, are down so I doubt there will be many.

I believe @El2aZeR can provide those numbers easily as he did many times in the past. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Pretty shitty design, but not shitty enough for people to run off.

This is all the design quality you need if your main focus is lootboxes and gambling.

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

but she loves me so much... 

 

Lies! I know for a fact, she only loves @El2aZeR

[Excavatus]

Just now, DFens_666 said:

 

Lies! I know for a fact, she only loves @El2aZeR

their relation ship is completely professional. 

Everyone knows el2azer is an AI experiment and incapable of feelings. 

[Miragetank90]

I should play Enterprise more

 

I should play CVs more 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

10 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

I should play Enterprise more

 

I should play CVs more 

You are to nice if a person. Let me do the dirty work for you. 

[Miragetank90]

5 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

You are to nice if a person. Let me do the dirty work for you. 

 

Hmph.

 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, Miragetank90 said:

I should play Enterprise more

 

I should play CVs more 

Me too. It's boring tho :(

[AndyHill]

3 hours ago, Excavatus said:

I'm asking the same question, 

How many BB captains will pick a "No DD checkbox" they have the choice? 

or no BB checkbox for cruiser captains? 

 

giving people that choice will not solve anything and it is not a sensible or "concrete" suggestion. 

There's no need for any checkboxes for removing any ship classes from the game. Just a checkbox to remove planes from a ship game, and that is a concrete suggestion and will solve a lot.