General CV related discussions.

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

I don't think I could ever do that xD, also earlier I was talking about reporting players who really chase CVs like, going right round the edge of the map or something, if you're helpful and you kill the enemy CV, you get a +1 of course.

 

 

In that case i didnt report him, alltho i usually do. But since we easily won... also id still report him even in a win if he is on my flank and he doesnt help us.

[Lordcrafty]

9 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

 

In that case i didnt report him, alltho i usually do. But since we easily won... also id still report him even in a win if he is on my flank and he doesnt help us.

yup that's exactly the sort of thing I think of every time I think of a CV sniping DD. It horrifies me to see this on my team...

[BLUB__BLUB]

24 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

I don't think I could ever do that xD, also earlier I was talking about reporting players who really chase CVs like, going right round the edge of the map or something, if you're helpful and you kill the enemy CV, you get a +1 of course.

Most of those DDs are useless though, but the likes of @LoveZeppelin manage to do it as "just one of the tasks". 

Mind I usually don;t get killed, I have managed to kill 2 DDs -AND- a cruiser that came for me, and half the BB. 

Granted they were kinda dumb and came at me one-by-one.... 

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That's not the only way you can get killed in a CV though. 

When a smartypants DD just lights me up by spotting, and lets his BB divvy do the rest... 

Also, when I get uptiered in a T6 CV and get total-fluffed-T8-MM, well, the enemy CV might just turn out to be the most tasty snack. 

Also, when you have Manfred and the reds have Roosevelt... 

[UnterSeeBot]

55 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

 

In that case i didnt report him, alltho i usually do. But since we easily won... also id still report him even in a win if he is on my flank and he doesnt help us.

that kitekaze is spotting entire enemy flank, forcing them to panic about where the dd is. I often do this in an Asashio or Terrible, for 100k spotting dmg among other useful battle winning things. For a shimakaze in a t8-10 battle, this is a perfectly legitemate playstyle/tactic. Don't forget, the shima has only 2.5 km conceal vs air squadrons, so if enemy cv is inexperienced (quite often the case, the shima will spot entire enemy team, torp spam their rear, either finish off enemy cv or force it to reposition). The shima will be sunk eventually, (probably). You easily won, you probably don't realize the crapstorm that broke out in enemy chat regarding a flanking shima... post a screenshot of the post battle report, let us see how the shima did.

*if the Halland were awake and not just torp spamming, the shima would have been sunk before reaching F1. 

 

reporting dd players just because you don't like their playstyle, before the battle has ended, is really mean minded. Obviously, this is not a yolo suiciding bb, but a sincere flanking effort by a ship that can have great influence on battle outcomes by doing just that.

 

ps. is that you in the Benham? What are you doing for your team?

45 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

yup that's exactly the sort of thing I think of every time I think of a CV sniping DD. It horrifies me to see this on my team...

That's me in Terrible or Asashio.

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

post a screenshot of the post battle report, let us see how the shima did.

 

 

Not good actually

But as you can see, the entire enemy flank is actually alive and they were just about to entire our B cap. Dont have a screenshot of that tho. Our 3 BBs were actually kinda smart as they kited away from the enemies, but neither shima nor the CV actually did something to stop the Halland/Öland... well i guess the CV tried as can be seen by the plane kills

[UnterSeeBot]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

 

Not good actually

But as you can see, the entire enemy flank is actually alive and they were just about to entire our B cap. Dont have a screenshot of that tho. Our 3 BBs were actually kinda smart as they kited away from the enemies, but neither shima nor the CV actually did something to stop the Halland/Öland... well i guess the CV tried as can be seen by the plane kills

so the only ship to play well on your team, was the Alaska, who carried you. Yet while you were sitting behind your own team's bbs, contributing zero, you considered reporting the shima that was at least trying to influence the battle outcome.

[Lordcrafty]

Just now, LoveZeppelin said:

so the only ship to play well on your team, was the Alaska, who carried you.

he was the alaska...

[Lordcrafty]

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

 

Not good actually

But as you can see, the entire enemy flank is actually alive and they were just about to entire our B cap. Dont have a screenshot of that tho. Our 3 BBs were actually kinda smart as they kited away from the enemies, but neither shima nor the CV actually did something to stop the Halland/Öland... well i guess the CV tried as can be seen by the plane kills

only thing I'd expect, since the shima wasn't there in front to ward off a push. Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I would think

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

so the only ship to play well on your team, was the Alaska, who carried you. Yet while you were sitting behind your own team's bbs, contributing zero, you considered reporting the shima that was at least trying to influence the battle outcome. 

 

Which ship do you think i was

As i said, i only didnt report him since it was an easy win, so it didnt really matter. Alltho as the other flank basicly lost, it was down to us to win our flank.

[ForlornSailor]

12 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

ps. is that you in the Benham? What are you doing for your team?

 

5 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

so the only ship to play well on your team, was the Alaska, who carried you. Yet while you were sitting behind your own team's bbs, contributing zero, you considered reporting the shima that was at least trying to influence the battle outcome.

Your analysing of the game and then seeing the result table kinda makes me cringe. It kinda shows me, you dont really know how to play a DD. I think im well in the green to make that judgement and also point out, that the Benham is playing perfectly, while the Shima is useless.

 

Look at the minimap. Right flank with Benham: ALL ships are spotted. Left flank: even a YAMATO ! is unspotted, because the DD there doesnt do his job. thats the Shima in case you wonder. He is leaving his flank completly vulnerable to the enemy DDs.

 

That particular game was seen on twitch. It continued with the Benham taking the cap (you ofc missed the fact, that he fought the enemy DD there and helped getting killed - which would be obvious because the cap is red on the minimap with no DD near anymore). Then the benham pushed through the cap, started spotting the Yamato and North Carolina (which shima is failing to do so). And racking up about 100k damage on the BBs. See how wrong your judgement is? (you could start by identifiying the players correctly on the screen, its not that hard - or is that some cheap shot towards @DFens_666 and you think we dont notice? I cant tell honestly).

[UnterSeeBot]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Which ship do you think i was

As i said, i only didnt report him since it was an easy win, so it didnt really matter. Alltho as the other flank basicly lost, it was down to us to win our flank.

I thought you were the benham, tbh. But well played in your Alaska. I should stop alt tabbing, and pay more attention!

When was your screenshot taken? 

but really, do give players the benefit of the doubt until you see the battle results (unless you report them for chat or other issues).

[Lordcrafty]

Just now, LoveZeppelin said:

I thought you were the benham, tbh. But well played in your Alaska. I should stop alt tabbing, and pay more attention!

When was your screenshot taken? 

but really, do give players the benefit of the doubt until you see the battle results (unless you report them for chat or other issues).

battle results say less than you'd think tbh. Sometimes I really feel like I didn't play as well as the results show xD

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

That particular game was seen on twitch.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/782504284?t=2h23m17s

 

In case someone is interested

 

2 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

When was your screenshot taken? 

Last week Monday, see video above

[ForlornSailor]

Just now, LoveZeppelin said:

but really, do give players the benefit of the doubt until you see the battle results (unless you report them for chat or other issues).

 

Ill help you out again: check, which enemy ships survived. Öland, Halland, Vladivostok, Minotaur, Yamato - thats the entire left flank, where the Shima is moving. You claimed, its a legitimate tactic to cause panic on that flank. How so? not one single ship there sank. The shima prolly wasnt interested in any of them, all he cared about was the CV. Again: utterly useless player, surly in the 40% range with his WR. Going any bet here.

[UnterSeeBot]

9 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

Your analysing of the game and then seeing the result table kinda makes me cringe. It kinda shows me, you dont really know how to play a DD. I think im well in the green to make that judgement and also point out, that the Benham is playing perfectly, while the Shima is useless.

 

Look at the minimap. Right flank with Benham: ALL ships are spotted. Left flank: even a YAMATO ! is unspotted, because the DD there doesnt do his job. thats the Shima in case you wonder. He is leaving his flank completly vulnerable to the enemy DDs.

 

That particular game was seen on twitch. It continued with the Benham taking the cap (you ofc missed the fact, that he fought the enemy DD there and helped getting killed - which would be obvious because the cap is red on the minimap with no DD near anymore). Then the benham pushed through the cap, started spotting the Yamato and North Carolina (which shima is failing to do so). And racking up about 100k damage on the BBs. See how wrong your judgement is? (you could start by identifiying the players correctly on the screen, its not that hard - or is that some cheap shot towards @DFens_666 and you think we dont notice? I cant tell honestly).

this is a battle with cvs. granted the dmg farming benham, is nervous of being spotted by the enemy cv.. 

And you are blaming the shima, rather than the CV or the Benham for not spotting the yamato, which is in the middle of the map?

Do you really thinkthe  shima is a match for the Oland/halland combo?

My questions were not based off twitch, but off the information dfens presented here, in order of presentation. Which is why I am glad Dfens has since clarified. It has nothing to do with Dfens, indeed, this entire exchange started with a post I made earlier :

 

4 hours ago, LoveZeppelin said:

*bad attitudes among too many random battle CV players*

I am tired of recieving negative karma every time I sink an enemy CV in the first 3 minutes of a battle, with my dd. It is as if a large proportion of CVers imagine they deserve immunity, as though being sunk were unfair. CVers are so used to being top of the pile, getting sunk must be quite humilating, when it is by a dd with very bad concealment rating, and from their stern, at the start of a battle.

 

WG really needs to educate CVers into understanding, that they can be sunk, if they behave like arrogant little potatoes, and that when they are sunk, they should recognize their inferiority/mistakes. 

When a dd sinks a CV in this manner, it is no reflection on the generally toxic nature of CVs, it is not intended to disprove how OP Cvs are, it is just proof of how there are so many essentially very bad  but immensely arrogant CV players who get away with potatoe play, far too often, and that when caught with their pants down (most humiliatingly), they behave like spoilt children (even though I swear most are 50+ somethings.)

[Lordcrafty]

9 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/782504284?t=2h23m17s

 

In case someone is interested

wow, shima quite literally hugged the edge the entire time. hey, at least they killed the worst t8 CV eh...


 

 

4 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

It has nothing to do with Dfens, indeed, this entire exchange started with a post I made earlier :

 

I could have sworn that your original post was longer, did you clip that down or am I imagining things?

 

edit: yeah I'm imagining things, apparently I have an overactive imagination now xD

[UnterSeeBot]

12 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

Ill help you out again: check, which enemy ships survived. Öland, Halland, Vladivostok, Minotaur, Yamato - thats the entire left flank, where the Shima is moving. You claimed, its a legitimate tactic to cause panic on that flank. How so? not one single ship there sank. The shima prolly wasnt interested in any of them, all he cared about was the CV. Again: utterly useless player, surly in the 40% range with his WR. Going any bet here.

You obviously have access to the shima's IGN, from the information we have here, I don't (besides even if we did have the player IGN, we cannot name and shame) I only comment onthe information I see here. But back to the origin of this exchange, it is about CVplayers reporting players (dds) during a battle because you disapprove of their tactics (taking out enemy CVs).

[UnterSeeBot]

Just now, Lordcrafty said:

wow, shima quite literally hugged the edge the entire time. hey, at least they killed the worst t8 CV eh...


 

 

I could have sworn that your original post was longer, did you clip that down or am I imagining things?

nothing has been edited. you have an imagination, passion does that.

[Lordcrafty]

1 minute ago, LoveZeppelin said:

nothing has been edited. you have an imagination, passion does that.

yeah, I realised that eventually, hence the edit, sometimes my brain be like: 

 

 

2 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

You obviously have access to the shima's IGN, from the information we have here, I don't (besides even if we did have the player IGN, we cannot name and shame) I only comment onthe information I see here. But back to the origin of this exchange, it is about reporting players (dds) during a battle because you disapprove of their tactics (taking out enemy CVs).

Firstly, he's saying that he thinks the shima plays like a 40% not actively finding the account to shame the player, although calling it out could be considered excessive, I think you misunderstood a little here.
Secondly, there exists a report for poor play button. And the tactic I disapprove of is ignoring the game to take out the CV, it shows a lack of understanding of the game and time management… If you are indeed spotting for the team and still able to play objectives and fulfill your role as a torpedo boat it's fine but otherwise it's a bit of a nono in my humble opinion.

[DFens_666]

4 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

wow, shima quite literally hugged the edge the entire time. hey, at least they killed the worst t8 CV eh...

 

Yeah, i like how he went all the way down A1 instead of taking even the slightest shortcut

 

4 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

it is about reporting players (dds) during a battle because you disapprove of their tactics (taking out enemy CVs). 

 

99% its a wasted report anyway as it wouldnt do anything. Neither punishment, nor any karma loss, since they usually have 0 karma.

The shima even has hidden stats You can get the name from twitch if you feel like it. Naming and Shaming is quite impossible with hidden stats.

 

10 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

Do you really thinkthe  shima is a match for the Oland/halland combo?

 

Sure, it can outspot both of them, and if needed can throw out a couple of k damage easily. IJN DD guns do hurt.

[ForlornSailor]

11 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

And you are blaming the shima, rather than the CV or the Benham for not spotting the yamato, which is in the middle of the map?

 

Yes I am, because I know how I play this map as a DD and the Yamato would be spotted this way. Shima is one of the superior spotters in the game. Which brings me to:

 

11 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

Do you really thinkthe  shima is a match for the Oland/halland combo? 

 

Absolutly. Easy. One of the best things that can happen to you as a shima. You have a huge concealment advantage, they dont have any smoke, no hydro, no radar. Thats a piece of cake. He has a KURFÜRST as backup withhin 10 km to both DDs, oh man, I would kill for a random secondary BB to support my DD gameplay this way. Taking that flank would have litteraly been a walk in the park. After the DDs are dead, which is only a matter of time with the secondary of Kurfürst pounding them, the path for 3 BBs was open. With the exeption of Minotaur no hydro in sight either.

 

8 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

You obviously have access to the shima's IGN, from the information we have here, I don't (besides even if we did have the player IGN, we cannot name and shame)

 

I only looked it up after I posted that. The stats of the player in question are hidden.

 

8 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

it is about reporting players during a battle because you disapprove of their tactics.

 

There is having a different opinion about a tactic and then there is witnessing absolute r****** stuff. Im sorry, but no matter how you hate CVs, running around the map border with your DD to try and get to the CV is one of the worst things you can do. period.

[UnterSeeBot]

is your team's CV seriously attacking the enemy Oland with AP bombs?

15 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

battle results say less than you'd think tbh. Sometimes I really feel like I didn't play as well as the results show xD

I agree, not sure if still true, but in the past I have seen bots/afkers get better results than active human players. 

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, LoveZeppelin said:

is your team's CV seriously attacking the enemy Oland with AP bombs?

 

He tried, he actually lost them before he got close enough to drop

[UnterSeeBot]

8 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

There is having a different opinion about a tactic and then there is witnessing absolute r****** stuff. Im sorry, but no matter how you hate CVs, running around the map border with your DD to try and get to the CV is one of the worst things you can do. period.

OK, i agree if the only purpose is to harrass the enemy CV, it is a waste. Chasing an awake CV that has the good sense to be moving, away from any flanking dd, is stupid. Agreed.

But, a dd that flanks, gets into a position to perma spot enemy units from their rear, offers torp spam threat to enemy rear, and has an opportunity to threaten the enemy CV, while staying alive? Is that so bad?

[Lordcrafty]

2 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

OK, i agree if the only purpose is to harrass the enemy CV, it is a waste. Chasing an awake CV that has the good sense to be moving, away from any flanking dd, is stupid. Agreed.

But, a dd that flanks, gets into a position to perma spot enemy units from their rear, offers torp spam threat to enemy rear, and has an opportunity to threaten the enemy CV, while staying alive? Is that so bad?

maybe with all the parsevals which will just ignore you but it just seems very risky to me, that's from the viewpoint of a mostly CV main though, so there'll need to be a second opinion xD