General CV related discussions.

[BLUB__BLUB]

14 hours ago, DinkyDi said:

There should be some treshold or something. If you got XY shots then you cannot launch attack, because of pilots are scared to poop ? or something like that

Used to be some working of DEF AA.... gave RNGesus the upper hand. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

42 minutes ago, miso_horny said:

Hur-dur.
You COMPLETELY miss the point of CVs. DD class is the REAL problem of World of Warships.

#removeDDs

Nope DD's are not the REAL problem of World of Warships. They might be your problem though? I dunno  

Maybe start your own 700 pages DD feedback de luxe edition?

 

EDIT: what's the point of carriers according to you?

[BanzaiPiluso]

25 minutes ago, miso_horny said:

Hur-dur.
You COMPLETELY miss the point of CVs. DD class is the REAL problem of World of Warships.

#removeDDs

At least dds don't fly.

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, Winged_Cat_Dormant said:

At least dds don't fly.

Well they'll also crap downwards once we get subs. 

[DFens_666]

30 minutes ago, miso_horny said:

You COMPLETELY miss the point of CVs. DD class is the REAL problem of World of Warships.

 

You misspelled World of Battleships

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

You misspelled World of Battleships

He mostly does planes though.

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Europizza said:

He mostly does planes though.

 

It all makes sense now

[Clean]

I came to WoWs from WoT. I stopped playing WoT for 3 main reasons, Russian bias, gold ammo and artillery. There are other reasons why I stopped playing but they are the 3 main reasons but if artillery was taken away I would strongly consider going back. That won't happen though WG are intransigent to removing them and there has always been a cohort of people who like playing artillery. I'm sure if you look on the WoT forum there is a thread identical to this one.

 

Artillery and CV share the same play styles . I admit this is a generalisation but to a large extent the player sits at the back in a reasonably safe position and can reach out with relative impunity. Gameplay is less stressful until maybe the end of the game when the player might actually be under direct fire. Once the basics are mastered it is simple to dish out damage with no immediate fear of retaliation or exchange of fire. In both cases being attacked by a person you cannot hit back is highly annoying. A good player can be disproportionately effective for his team.

 

As much as I abhor artillery there is one caveat that sets it apart from CV. A CV can go everywhere on the map and spot targets for itself. Within reason a CV can spot, cap, attack, run and hide. It is self sufficient.

 

I'm sure many of you have been in a game where CV/arty are the last alive in the game. Last alive and quite often the reason for win/loss of the team, particularly in the case of CV. The class is far too influential.

 

In a calm moment I decided to add to this thread. Not for a reaction but to have my say. Any hope of my thoughts being noted in a beneficial way are non existent. I am a middle aged man who has spent considerable money in WoWs, WoWp and WoT. This thread is "Box13 we don't care". In my years of experience with WG their customer service has proved to be poor. Moderators have high brow bullied people, censored, obfuscated and white knighted.

 

The track record show that strong, cogent arguments will be countered and side tracked. I've thoroughly enjoyed all 3 games to a degree. All however have descended into resentment as a paying customer. Pay to win is the priority. Power creep and endless FOMO grinds to entice a new player base. Bad players zerg  to the top polluting others enjoyment.

 

I still enjoy the game and will continue for now as I have 200+ days premium, but this thread is testament to why I stopped the other 2 games and will eventually give up on this. WG doesn't listen to reason just accountants. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

14 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

It all makes sense now

To me it doesn't, he didn't explain the (complete) point of carriers to me yet

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, Europizza said:

To me it doesn't, he didn't explain the (complete) point of carriers to me yet

 

If CV main = complain CVs UP, everything else OP

[UnterSeeBot]

*bad attitudes among too many random battle CV players*

I am tired of recieving negative karma every time I sink an enemy CV in the first 3 minutes of a battle, with my dd. It is as if a large proportion of CVers imagine they deserve immunity, as though being sunk were unfair. CVers are so used to being top of the pile, getting sunk must be quite humilating, when it is by a dd with very bad concealment rating, and from their stern, at the start of a battle.

 

WG really needs to educate CVers into understanding, that they can be sunk, if they behave like arrogant little potatoes, and that when they are sunk, they should recognize their inferiority/mistakes. 

When a dd sinks a CV in this manner, it is no reflection on the generally toxic nature of CVs, it is not intended to disprove how OP Cvs are, it is just proof of how there are so many essentially very bad  but immensely arrogant CV players who get away with potatoe play, far too often, and that when caught with their pants down (most humiliatingly), they behave like spoilt children (even though I swear most are 50+ somethings.)

 

[Lordcrafty]

41 minutes ago, Clean said:

cap,

yeah, CVs can either cap or be safe from the battle, which means that they're too far to swing a battle by capping.

 

42 minutes ago, Clean said:

I'm sure many of you have been in a game where CV/arty are the last alive in the game. Last alive and quite often the reason for win/loss of the team, particularly in the case of CV. The class is far too influential.

contrary to how it might appear, CVs being alive at the end doesn't really decide the outcome, it gets decided earlier than that 90% of the time, (probably still by the CV if they're good tho xD)


 

5 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

*bad attitudes among too many random battle CV players*

I am tired of recieving negative karma every time I sink an enemy CV in the first 3 minutes of a battle, with my dd. It is as if a large proportion of CVers imagine they deserve immunity, as though being sunk were unfair. CVers are so used to being top of the pile, getting sunk must be quite humilating, when it is by a dd with very bad concealment rating, and from their stern, at the start of a battle.

 

WG really needs to educate CVers into understanding, that they can be sunk, if they behave like arrogant little potatoes, and that when they are sunk, they should recognize their inferiority/mistakes. 

When a dd sinks a CV in this manner, it is no reflection on the generally toxic nature of CVs, it is not intended to disprove how OP Cvs are, it is just proof of how there are so many essentially very bad  but immensely arrogant CV players who get away with potatoe play, far too often, and that when caught with their pants down (most humiliatingly), they behave like spoilt children (even though I swear most are 50+ somethings.)

 

XD, you're actually bringing up reporting/karma against CV players? Take a moment to slow down and think about what you're talking about. Also, I report my team's DD when they start chasing the carrier at the start because that means that they're doing something a good CV player will counter 99% of the time and are going to be of minimal use to the team whilst doing so, don't just assume that it's all the enemy CV.

[UnterSeeBot]

3 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

XD, you're actually bringing up reporting/karma against CV players?

no I am not. i am discussing enemy cv players reporting me, for sinking them, in the first minutes of a battle.

no chasing involved, I don't need to chase, it is a turkey shoot.

3 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

are going to be of minimal use to the team

Spoiler

 

[Lordcrafty]

2 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

no I am not. i am discussing enemy cv players reporting me, for sinking them, in the first minutes of a battle.

no chasing involved, I don't need to chase, it is a turkey shoot.

how do you kill a CV in a DD without chasing it, you need to be within like 10km to hit torps?

[UnterSeeBot]

4 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

how do you kill a CV in a DD without chasing it, you need to be within like 10km to hit torps?

that isn't hard when you have a dd that does 53 knots, the cv is either not moving away from me or better, is stationary. (majority of CVs), or in a dd with 20 km torpedos. Your surprised reaction is revealing, surely you are aware of this?

and if you report people at the start of battle, before you understand what the result of their actions will be, your are reprting on a "balance of probabilities" rathe rthan waiting for the results screen, you are definitely behaving in a toxic manner and abusing the report system. (i.e typical CV tater)

[Lordcrafty]

Just now, LoveZeppelin said:

that isn't hard when you have a dd that does 53 knots, the cv is either not moving away from me or better, is stationary. (majority of CVs), or in a dd with 20 km torpedos. Your surprised reaction is revealing, surely you are aware of this?

wow, those potatoes really are a disgrace as CV players, but how come their team just lets you snipe them xD. Do you want me to think that you would actually hit torpedoes beyond ~10km on a decent CV player or stay alive in one of the most vulnerable to CV DDs whilst chasing them at your "53 knot" speed.

 

8 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

 

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this is meaningless, it doesn't even show that you damaged the CV or when you went after it if it did.

[Lordcrafty]

6 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

and if you report people at the start of battle, before you understand what the result of their actions will be, your are reprting on a "balance of probabilities" rathe rthan waiting for the results screen, you are definitely behaving in a toxic manner and abusing the report system. (i.e typical CV tater)

this entire game is a "balance of probabilities" so reporting for something that I believe is not repeatable against good CV players is perfectly fine because it is about the player's actions and not the results, for example any player could potentially gain the most damage by just charging directly into battle and shooting at everything they see but this is not repeatable because it's almost guaranteed that the enemy team has not entirely disconnected and will shoot back and kill you.

[UnterSeeBot]

7 minutes ago, Lordcrafty said:

wow, those potatoes really are a disgrace as CV players, but how come their team just lets you snipe them xD. Do you want me to think that you would actually hit torpedoes beyond ~10km on a decent CV player or stay alive in one of the most vulnerable to CV DDs whilst chasing them at your "53 knot" speed.

 

this is meaningless, it doesn't even show that you damaged the CV or when you went after it if it did.

You are determined to believe I "chase" dds. I keep telling you I don't. But a dd that can perma spot enemy team while sitting at their rear (deep penetration), while spamming torps into their flanks, is obviously in a good position to neutralize the enemy CV. While if a CV happens to be positioned in a favourable manner, during those first few minutes, it can be quickly sunk before the enemy can organize a dd hunt.

it is an anecdotal example. Here : 

Spoiler

 

also, try finding a dd, played by an experienced CV driver, that doesn't want to be found. Good luck.

[UnterSeeBot]

1 minute ago, Lordcrafty said:

it's almost guaranteed that the enemy team has not entirely disconnected and will shoot back and kill you.

So you report people because of what you think will go wrong, rather than waiting to see what really happens. That is an example of how the report system is abused. No ifs, no buts, no excuses.

[Lordcrafty]

3 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

So you report people because of what you think will go wrong, rather than waiting to see what really happens. That is an example of how the report system is abused. No ifs, no buts, no excuses.

it really isn't though, because abuse of the report system is when people report you for sinking them as in your example or when people decide to report a player at the start for ship choice or class not when they believe that they have a reason to. That's maybe just them being stupid which at the end of the day isn't really abusing the system is it? The karma system is entirely meaningless anyway, the only form of abuse of the system is really to spam misbehavior in chat reports at players hoping they get chat banned, (what happens to me every ranked season when I play CV xD) and before you say that it checks messages, even so all it would really take is an exclamation in chat, like the f word to trigger it.

[Sunleader]

Report Systems only Function is to vent Frustration.

So it cant be abused.

 

 

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

how do people even know who reported them?

maybe i just dont have enough experience gaining negative karma 

[UnterSeeBot]

12 minutes ago, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said:

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maybe i just dont have enough experience gaining negative karma 

git gud

[BLUB__BLUB]

3 hours ago, Clean said:

Within reason a CV can spot, cap, attack, run and hide. It is self sufficient.

 CV cannot defend themselves, at least not very well. Because:

 

2 hours ago, LoveZeppelin said:

*bad attitudes among too many random battle CV players*

I am tired of recieving negative karma every time I sink an enemy CV in the first 3 minutes of a battle, with my dd. It is as if a large proportion of CVers imagine they deserve immunity, as though being sunk were unfair. CVers are so used to being top of the pile, getting sunk must be quite humilating, when it is by a dd with very bad concealment rating, and from their stern, at the start of a battle.

 

WG really needs to educate CVers into understanding, that they can be sunk, if they behave like arrogant little potatoes, and that when they are sunk, they should recognize their inferiority/mistakes. 

When a dd sinks a CV in this manner, it is no reflection on the generally toxic nature of CVs, it is not intended to disprove how OP Cvs are, it is just proof of how there are so many essentially very bad  but immensely arrogant CV players who get away with potatoe play, far too often, and that when caught with their pants down (most humiliatingly), they behave like spoilt children (even though I swear most are 50+ somethings.)

 

...and you'll have  a +1 from me when you get my pelt. 

There's many players who do not understand what the weak spot of a CV is. 

And this is what it is. A CV player is busy on the map elsewhere. This is where he is vulnerable. 

Same as a straight-lining BB, he deserves a torpedo. And same [edited]that BB, if he is not straightlining (AKA he notices the DD) it is a good fight.

At least to some extent, well  yeah that is "balanz comrade" which I think sux because those fights are usually the biggest fun. 

[Lordcrafty]

26 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

...and you'll have  a +1 from me when you get my pelt. 

There's many players who do not understand what the weak spot of a CV is. 

And this is what it is. A CV player is busy on the map elsewhere. This is where he is vulnerable. 

Same as a straight-lining BB, he deserves a torpedo. And same [edited]that BB, if he is not straightlining (AKA he notices the DD) it is a good fight.

At least to some extent, well  yeah that is "balanz comrade" which I think sux because those fights are usually the biggest fun. 

I don't think I could ever do that xD, also earlier I was talking about reporting players who really chase CVs like, going right round the edge of the map or something, if you're helpful and you kill the enemy CV, you get a +1 of course.