General CV related discussions.

[Prophecy82]

19 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

 

So, a CV uses the DCP immediately. If you set him on fire again, he WILL burn for a while.

 

Yea, for 25 ,5 sec (taken from Audacious), IF you are able to catch the exact moment the 1 minute long DCP stops. 

[AndyHill]

7 minutes ago, Europizza said:

This rework man, the designers that set up the core gameplay for them, are facepalm material.

I'm not so sure about that. There are so many horrific kludges, workarounds and general horribleness in the system that to me it's more of a case of somewhat competent designers desperately trying to tell the higher-ups that they were facing a completely unsolvable problem but being shut down time after time ("If you're telling me you can't do your job why are you still here!!1!!! Get those carriers in game right now or I'll find people who will!!11!!!1!"). Also these are designers who have created a generally enjoyable game (obviously no-one is flawless) so they have proven to not be totally incompetent which they would have to be to not see how flawed the design in general is.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 minutes ago, AndyHill said:

I'm not so sure about that. There are so many horrific kludges, workarounds and general horribleness in the system that to me it's more of a case of somewhat competent designers desperately trying to tell the higher-ups that they were facing a completely unsolvable problem but being shut down time after time ("If you're telling me you can't do your job why are you still here!!1!!! Get those carriers in game right now or I'll find people who will!!11!!!1!"). Also these are designers who have created a generally enjoyable game (obviously no-one is flawless) so they have proven to not be totally incompetent which they would have to be to not see how flawed the design in general is.

I'm fairly sure it's not the same folks that did the rework, it reeks of WOWP failure.

[UnterSeeBot]

6 minutes ago, Europizza said:

I'm fairly sure it's not the same folks that did the rework, it reeks of WOWP failure.

You do know that the CV Rework team 201?-2019, were moved onto the fun and engaging Submarine project in September 2019? (source : Sub Octavian)

I'm just reminding us all, to reassure everyone that we can have full, unconditional, confidence in what we can expect next year..

Obviously, that begs the question, who or what is in charge of the CV Rework, today?

[bakmaita]

12 hours ago, bakmaita said:

Met this fair lad just now. Looking at his destruction ratio and classes he been pretty much playing, I'm sure them mighty spreadsheets are point on as is WG's pathetic business practice without any concern about game balance.

An obvious example of stat padding CV reroll, because WG encourages them to. Well done WG.

 

 

P.S you can even see, with that k/d ratio, one isn't even contributing to team enough, he should have much better WR than that..this is simply prime example of bad gameplay implementation, yet publishers along with devs seem to be way over their head to admit it's just bad game design.

Fine, you will get your $$ out of it and move on, ruining another game, seen it happen over and over again. Those threads on forums is nothing but dumbed down crowd control, there are so few game developing companies actually caring about gameplay at all, over last decade the whole gaming industry took such a sharp turn from being niche entertainment to mainstream business practice, so I honestly feel it's pointless to post any kind of rant at all.

 

/rant

:)

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, Prophecy82 said:

Yea, for 25 ,5 sec (taken from Audacious), IF you are able to catch the exact moment the 1 minute long DCP stops. 

Could be, I don't know. Usually when a DD comes up close, CV is dead because he eats a full salvo anyway. 

And when he gets spotted he gets finished off by the BBs. It's not like CVs are (exposed) cruiser food. 

 

I'll still drop 'em when given the chance, usually when i did a torpedo run on a BB.

Though I admit I'm not beyond shooting the enemy CV with rockets on the first "spotting flight". 

Usually causes a fire. Some CVs actually take pens, too.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

5 hours ago, Capra76 said:

Essentially it's WG's way of preventing CV sniping, which would basically make the other 22 ships in the game irrelevant when a good CV player met a baddy, although that said, when you look at the WR% of some of the top CV players, the other 23 ships in the game are irrelevant anyway.

Corrected that for You...

 

The main problem about that is probably that there aren't as few really good CV players now as before the reeework. So the whole reeeework didn't really change anything about the "better CV player f*cks up the game for the enemy team" that WG supposedly planned to get away with... In fact, with not the slighest chance to support your own team except by doing damage - as "fighter cover" is about as helpfull as praying for the teammate currently r*ped by the enemy CV - it's even got worse, when in the old system one had at least a minicule chance to use one's fighters to hinder the enemy's attack flights slightly... gj WG.. really, gj..

[MadGunna]

24 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Corrected that for You...

 

The main problem about that is probably that there aren't as few really good CV players now as before the reeework. So the whole reeeework didn't really change anything about the "better CV player f*cks up the game for the enemy team" that WG supposedly planned to get away with... In fact, with not the slighest chance to support your own team except by doing damage - as "fighter cover" is about as helpfull as praying for the teammate currently r*ped by the enemy CV - it's even got worse, when in the old system one had at least a minicule chance to use one's fighters to hinder the enemy's attack flights slightly... gj WG.. really, gj..

What do you mean miniscule? The RTS fighter was bar none the single most reliable compliment farm I ever found in the game, as a well timed strafe would utterly shred an incoming bomber attack. My personal record is wiping out something silly like six Kaga(? I think, I can't remember exactly) squads in a single strafe. 24 kills in a single strafe, even if the enemy Atlanta wiped that fighter squad seconds later. A beautiful moment that I will treasure forever.

[WarDax]

So yesterday I was up against two cv's. Yes, of course my team also had two cv's and I really dunno if they did a good or a bad job of it, i just kinda felt stumbling over a cliff when I first noticed, went in to the game with zero hopes to achieve anything useful (in Scharnhorst) and true enough after a few minutes I was down to utter uselessness thanks to bombers and crap so I quit. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Yesterday I played with friends in T4. A friend of mine got a kraken in his Nikolai in a double CV game. It's truly impossible to play with CVs in the game. 

[CptBarney]

14 hours ago, LoveZeppelin said:

You do know that the CV Rework team 201?-2019, were moved onto the fun and engaging Submarine project in September 2019? (source : Sub Octavian)

I'm just reminding us all, to reassure everyone that we can have full, unconditional, confidence in what we can expect next year..

Obviously, that begs the question, who or what is in charge of the CV Rework, today?

Probs some guinea pigs that occasionally get raided by the server hamsters of yesteryear.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

37 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

Yesterday I played with friends in T4. A friend of mine got a kraken in his Nikolai in a double CV game. It's truly impossible to play with CVs in the game. 

Isn't she cute? :D

[Yosha_AtaIante]

6 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Isn't she cute? :D

yes

[Ew0kman]

Why is it that fighters launched from say KF dosent attack any planes from any CV´s   even with every single flag set and captains skills set to master all AA to the max,  no CV planes are ever shot down, is there an explanation or is it yet another hack or pay to win feature? or another thing please explain.

 

why is some CVs capaple of doing 40+ knots , cant find any historical information that proves this?

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

22 minutes ago, kenalb said:

40+ knots

Huh? 

The fastest is 34 I think? 

[DFens_666]

16 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

So, a CV uses the DCP immediately. If you set him on fire again, he WILL burn for a while.

 

For a grand total of 5 seconds

While yes, it does receive 1% damage per second compared to 0,3% for all other classes, its still much less overall (5% for 1 fire, 9% for DDs/Cruisers, 18% for BBs)

[Miragetank90]

15 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

Huh? 

The fastest is 34 I think? 

 

Now I want French CVs with engine boost for lulz

[Ew0kman]

16 minutes ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

Huh? 

The fastest is 34 I think? 

yep but usually they are about 23-25knots and only 17 in lower tiers, 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

1 minute ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

Now I want French CVs with engine boost for lulz

There might be a premiuk French CV in the works. It's not so unlikely. 

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

Now I want French CVs with engine boost for lulz

 

And MBRB will be "call in a full squad when your first one is down to 1 attackwing" because topkek

[BLUB__BLUB]

9 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

For a grand total of 5 seconds

While yes, it does receive 1% damage per second compared to 0,3% for all other classes, its still much less overall (5% for 1 fire, 9% for DDs/Cruisers, 18% for BBs)

Didn't even know that, also I thought yes CV uses DCP (after 5 seconds? I thought immediately) - but if you set fire after that, it will burn longer.

I am aware it has endless DCP. But it does have a 90 seconds cooldown.

 

I usually score quite a lot of damage on CVs because of that.

More than on other ships as they usually have a brain (well... most...). Farming fire damage from CV is easy...

- usually they are standing still;

- they don't shoot back unless you are in secondary range....;

- and on other ships, I (finally) set a fire, he uses DCP, then my teammates set fires before I do... no use. 

 

Same as I do not use fire flags etc on Smolly. You set two fires at once - ship uses DCP...

It is far better to set ONE fire which most leave to burn.

As such, the "stupid b0t DCP" on CVs is easy to FF-over, like in co-op. 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, kenalb said:

....why is some CVs capaple of doing 40+ knots , cant find any historical information that proves this?

Because none of them is? Also, be amazed at the steering, would not make a GK jealous. 

Then get a drunk autopilot... he'll manage to ram the biggest island even if there is only 1 on the whole map. 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

3 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

fire after that, it will burn longer.

DCP triggers instantly. 

Fires burn for 5 seconds and with flag for only 4 seconds. 

 

[Ruth_clifton]

y  put  flag  on  4-  1

[DFens_666]

6 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

I usually score quite a lot of damage on CVs because of that.

More than on other ships as they usually have a brain (well... most...). Farming fire damage from CV is easy... 

 

I think you deal most of that damage with mainguns, unless its a TX CV which shatters all your shells with his armored deck.

Keeping a CV with DCP on CD burning is rather easy as they burn easier than other ships, but that usually requires 1 minute before you are able to do that. Still assuming he just doesnt die before that

 

7 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Didn't even know that, also I thought yes CV uses DCP (after 5 seconds? I thought immediately) - but if you set fire after that, it will burn longer.

No, he does use DCP immediately. Then its 60 sec active (or more if the CV uses the coal DCP mod ). If is DCP is on CD, every fire will only burn 5 secs.

T4-8 CVs will probably be dead when they are getting shot at by HE from a Cruiser for 1 minute straight. Only TX CVs are different because of their lulzy deckarmor.

[Ruth_clifton]

dont  pay   2  put   flag  on