[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #4326 Posted September 28, 2020 28 minutes ago, Europizza said: Reducing air detectability of 100 m long ships to 1,5 km. Take a wild guess which one is most likely: broken game design or potatos Yeah, that would indeed be a wild guess. I play Dds, too - a bit, and totally potato. Never get killed by CV though. And a while ago I got a Silliwangi from a container. Thats a DD with DW torps, zilch AA, and puny guns (and T8, while I only have T6 DDs...).. I only have a few games in it... yet... IMO there's a lot of gluesniffer DDs around, and they all go Reeee Reee REEEEE. True CVs are broken AF, but then again, potatoes float, eh? Spoiler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #4327 Posted September 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Yeah, that would indeed be a wild guess. I play Dds, too - a bit, and totally potato. Never get killed by CV though. And a while ago I got a Silliwangi from a container. Thats a DD with DW torps, zilch AA, and puny guns (and T8, while I only have T6 DDs...).. I only have a few games in it... yet... IMO there's a lot of gluesniffer DDs around, and they all go Reeee Reee REEEEE. True CVs are broken AF, but then again, potatoes float, eh? Potatoes will always potato, in every game. Creating game design that is geared towards potatos so your pool of potential gamble addicts is as large as possible is not about creating a great gaming experience though. It creates a playerbase that is lazy, spoiled and won't even make an effort, and that is largely what we end up with. Carriers though are just to play and to play against. It's as simple as that to me. BB's are fun both ways. DD's are fun both ways. CA's are fun both ways. CV's are just meh to infuriatingly stupid. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #4328 Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Europizza said: Potatoes will always potato, in every game. Creating game design that is geared towards potatos so your pool of potential gamble addicts is as large as possible is not about creating a great gaming experience though. It creates a playerbase that is lazy, spoiled and won't even make an effort, and that is largely what we end up with. Carriers though are just to play and to play against. It's as simple as that to me. BB's are fun both ways. DD's are fun both ways. CA's are fun both ways. CV's are just meh to infuriatingly stupid. Correct, CVs could have been done a whole lot better. They just have too much unwanted side-effects. The one I enjoy most (well, obviously...) is Ark Royal. It is slow AF but that's the challenge really. See if you can outdamage the other CV (which is usually something else). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #4329 Posted September 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Correct, CVs could have been done a whole lot better. by removing them from the game, keeping the only part which makes sense, player control of an air squadron in lieu of any other ship class. This would have allowed air power to be proportionate to other ship classes and to the gameplay environment (map sizes), and for air power to be subject to the very same mechanics of gameplay as any other ship class. But they didn't, so we have the current dog's dinner of CVs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #4330 Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, LoveZeppelin said: player control of an air squadron in lieu of any other ship class. Well, then you'd deny them even the fun of getting a pelt, eh? Current iteration is fixable, just like the RTS one was. There have been many many ideas from GOOD and EXPERIENCED players. But well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JOLLY] UnterSeeBot Players 967 posts Report post #4331 Posted September 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Well, then you'd deny them even the fun of getting a pelt, eh? Current iteration is fixable, just like the RTS one was. There have been many many ideas from GOOD and EXPERIENCED players. But well... not at all. Shooting down the air squadron would = "a pelt", equal to sinking a ship. Gameover for the air squdron commander/player. I'll be stubborn. Current iteration is not fixable. But, not all is lost and the core development effort can be recycled into something viable, the air squadron gameplay. (RTS was fixable, but WG decided to break it, and break it again, and again..., ) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #4332 Posted September 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said: not at all. Shooting down the air squadron would = "a pelt", equal to sinking a ship. Gameover for the air squdron commander/player. I'll be stubborn. Current iteration is not fixable. But, not all is lost and the core development effort can be recycled into something viable, the air squadron gameplay. (RTS was fixable, but WG decided to break it, and break it again, and again..., ) I guess we do not agree then, but that's fine. We do agree on the fact that CVs are broken AF though. I find most of them pretty boring. Some of them I find challenging, but in a different way. The main things are the spotting and the (lacking of) counter-measures. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #4333 Posted September 28, 2020 7 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: s we see a good DD-player has no trouble... in fact he exterminates double CV... well... Check my CV stats from since the reework... I'm a total CV potato. Still I am often enough to annoy the everlasting sh*t out even skilled DD players by just bothering with my planes and keeping them spotted to they can don't can do anything usefull in the battle. Fun fact: even though I don't do much damage this way, due to spending to time molesting a poor DD, that doesn't matter much, as I'm so potato in CVs, that I wouldn't do a lot of damage any way So, yeah.. that one quite skilled DD player might be on a lucky strike and sink CVs left and right... on the other hand tons of average or slightly above skilled DD players get shafted by even potato CVs all of the time. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #4334 Posted September 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said: Check my CV stats from since the reework... I'm a total CV potato. Checked, because you asked, and yes. Must agree. CVs seem to be no good for you. However you seem to like a few ships, and do good in those. But mostly you play Co-op.... Other ships you probably think are meh. But indeed I'd say you hardly touched CV at all. Quote Still I am often enough to annoy the everlasting sh*t out even skilled DD players by just bothering with my planes and keeping them spotted to they can don't can do anything usefull in the battle. Fun fact: even though I don't do much damage this way, due to spending to time molesting a poor DD, that doesn't matter much, as I'm so potato in CVs, that I wouldn't do a lot of damage any way I'd ask whatever "skilled" DD players do you meet in those T4 CVs? Most CV you play is in co-op. I agree a bit though - players that can't take on cruiser/BB AA, they get stuck pestering DDs. Quote So, yeah.. that one quite skilled DD player might be on a lucky strike and sink CVs left and right... on the other hand tons of average or slightly above skilled DD players get shafted by even potato CVs all of the time. Sorry mate, you do have 4 Tier 6 Cvs - but in randoms, 1 game in the first, 4 games the other. The rest are T4 CVs... well yeah. I dunno how much WG drank when buffing those. I doubt though if your CV ever met a skilled DD player. Nevertheless doesn't mean your opinion doesn't count. I agree that CVs are the plague for DDs. However... there's a lot of, well, "slightly less talented" DD players out there as well. If you want to see an experienced, good DD player, get @Bear__Necessities and ask him to clubber two T8 CVs with his T6DD. I have met some good DD players. Damn hard to kill, if I even managed to get them. Usually I didn't. I think th eproblem is as much CVs being broken as DDs being too easy to grind to a high tier. Because I just see more and more total and utter numbskulls playing those little things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #4335 Posted September 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: But mostly you play Co-op.... Didn't play CoOp in CVs for days... But I started play one battle which each T4 I have a couple days ago. Won't take long to have as many battles in CVs as You got in DDs. 8 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: I'd ask whatever "skilled" DD players do you meet in those T4 CVs? Veterans in Kamikazes and peoples whom I recognize from the forum. And, of wonders, quite a few veterans and skilled plays do play in the lower regions, because of the toxic gameplay at T10. 10 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: The rest are T4 CVs... well yeah. I dunno how much WG drank when buffing those. To crap over DDs one doesn't need a OP or overbuffing CV, but just the crappy game mechanic allow them to keep them visible. That was I stated. And I play games in CVs and DDs - and in fact all classes - to observe that in about every battle I play in. 12 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Because I just see more and more total and utter numbskulls playing those little things. I see players in all classes being braindead numbskills all the time. At all tiers all play - most also at higher tiers though... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #4336 Posted September 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said: Didn't play CoOp in CVs for days... But I started play one battle which each T4 I have a couple days ago. Won't take long to have as many battles in CVs as You got in DDs. Well, get some battles in then in T6. We'll see what you think when you meet T8 DDs. CV still OP? Broken, yes. But OP? I agree about T4 though. That is just insane, no matter how many battles or experience you have. 41 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said: Veterans in Kamikazes and peoples whom I recognize from the forum. And, of wonders, quite a few veterans and skilled plays do play in the lower regions, because of the toxic gameplay at T10. Hahah yes. I play mainly T6-8 myself, due to T9 and T10 being... well... you know. But how many will be in other classes? I meet some forumites in T8. Rarely in T6 and 7. 41 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said: To crap over DDs one doesn't need a OP or overbuffing CV, but just the crappy game mechanic allow them to keep them visible. That was I stated. And I play games in CVs and DDs - and in fact all classes - to observe that in about every battle I play in. Well, concealment-vs-planes has now risen to ridiculous levels. Today about 7 games, only 1 where DDs didn't go after my CV. Only 3 games that they got me though (and 2 games, they did not live...). I think WG is going the wrong way with this. DDs not doing their jobs, they are like little kids of sorts, now they have got something and then they think they know it all - that kind. And of course now they'll complain again that CVs always kill them. Yeah right. Sure when they attack my CV, I wil kill them. But I'll have to gamble where I put my visor, as I cannot spot them in time. What more do they want? Everybody Halland AA? If they are stupid and take lots of risk I'll get them anyway. If they are better than me, I can't get them as it is. Any more DD mollycoddling and I'm not going after them anymore. It's just not worth it. Let the cruisers and other DDs do it. I'm not gonna search for that needle in a haystack, only to get nothing because other ships will take the HP off him. "CV please spot DD". Yeah send me beer or money and I'll consider it. 41 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said: I see players in all classes being braindead numbskills all the time. At all tiers all play - most also at higher tiers though... Don't be surprised. You haven't got that many games in randoms. It is really really bad. 100K+ in T6 will not suffice to drag a win. You'll need two teammates that do the same, and even then... 3x 100-150k, is sort of what is needed in T6. Higher tiers... well... bleh. Stale and just chance if you win or not. I think even a division of 3 unicums can't save those games, and I certainly can't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[A7] Captaindanz Players 402 posts 27,265 battles Report post #4337 Posted September 29, 2020 https://clips.twitch.tv/CautiousGlutenFreeSkirretDuDudu nothing to say really... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #4338 Posted September 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Captaindanz said: https://clips.twitch.tv/CautiousGlutenFreeSkirretDuDudu nothing to say really... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #4339 Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Captaindanz said: https://clips.twitch.tv/CautiousGlutenFreeSkirretDuDudu nothing to say really... Well except "that's not really a DD". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[_I_] Nibenay78 Players 3,266 posts 27,734 battles Report post #4340 Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Well except "that's not really a DD". Just played against FDR twice in thunderer. The damage was massive and the flight groups big, the continous AA will really kick [edited]. @Beastofwar which reminds me. I had a round today in Halland going to the central cap, while enemy CV went another cap. After very short, he flew past me and spotted me but in a position parrallel to my ship. At this point I trigger sector and DefAA at the same time. The squadron makes a full circle while inside sector and DefAA. Still he manages to come back and strike me. This happens twice with two different squadrons, against "the best" AA ship in the game and he's caught both times in the worst situation for his squadron. After the strikes for around 6k and all the spotting, I'm dead. How "easy" do you think it's fair to say that an attack always should come through? Shouldn't good play for the DD be rewarded (in this case to trigger his ONLY defences in the best possible moment) ??? Should not bad play by the CV be punished?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BBMM] BLUB__BLUB [BBMM] Players 8,818 posts 17,199 battles Report post #4341 Posted September 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Nibenay78 said: How "easy" do you think it's fair to say that an attack always should come through? Not really, maybe it should come through but have a fat chance to miss? We used to have some "sight destabilisation" thingy using DEF AA. Bring it back. Quote Shouldn't good play for the DD be rewarded (in this case to trigger his ONLY defences in the best possible moment) ??? I have only lost LOTS o0f planes when flying directly at an unspotted Halland. I think you didn't have the best position, as he was able to strike you. When I spot Halland "too late" I cannot strike him anymore, I am already past that point when I discover him. Quote Should not bad play by the CV be punished?? Yes. I always send +1 if a DD "collects my pelt". However I think it's about time that "DD concealment buff" stops, because the only thing missing is they get turned into submarines when planes are approaching. 2 hours ago, Nibenay78 said: Just played against FDR twice in thunderer. The damage was massive and the flight groups big, the continous AA will really kick [edited]. I'm getting that of course, the only other consideration is Stalingrad. Quote ....After the strikes for around 6k and all the spotting, I'm dead. 6K strikes, from what? I have done 6K... but usually that means a real good (lucky, too) shot on a broadside DD. Nowadays you hardly get a 6K shot at a DD, unless like above. More like 2K. How many times did he come back? Spotting sucks. It is not even in the advantage of the CV. No "spotting damage", and everybody tries to "secure" your kill. Can;t count the times that my torpedoes were going in for the final blow, nd then he gets "kill secured" by shells (well, shells are faster). I say spotting by planes should be like spotting in a cyclone. In a cyclone it is 8km, maybe that is why WG wants to try that in Clan Battle? Only ships at certain distance (8km? 5km?) from the spotted object can see it, rest gets minimap. To those saying: "yeah but it helps when you are attacked by a DD", well no. Nobody cares. That is reason why I keep some "fighters". To be able to defend myself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-EXS-] Hades_warrior Players 5,381 posts 6,643 battles Report post #4342 Posted September 29, 2020 Quote X Franklin D. Roosevelt—available in exchange for 33,000 Steel. A Midway-class aircraft carrier that can boast of having solid armor protection. The extensive HP pools of her aircraft and large squadron size allow her to carry out continuous powerful attacks, even when her aircraft, which lack the Repair consumable, fall under heavy AA enemy fire. Great. Just what this game needs. More OP WC ships... Wg really forcing people to stop playing this game or at least PvP modes, do they? I think I will avoid to play TX for a while. My nerves can't handle this another r3tard ship next to German WC. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CMWR] Lootboxer Players 3,817 posts 21,306 battles Report post #4343 Posted September 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said: Great. Just what this game needs. More OP WC ships... Wg really forcing people to stop playing this game or at least PvP modes, do they? I think I will avoid to play TX for a while. My nerves can't handle this another r3tard ship next to German WC. You are BB main bro, why would you care? You have the best AA, fighter planes, most HP of all ships, powerful heals, armour to bounce rockets, torpedo reduction belt, you are do not care much about being spotted. Now think about us poor DD mains... Joking aside ships with low hp relying on concealment (DDs and some cruisers) got affected badly the most by reeeework. AA went to bin, no def AA with panic effect, plus every game 5BBs out of those usually 4 with 460 guns overmatching everything (unless you are Russian cruiser because balance comrade). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-EXS-] Hades_warrior Players 5,381 posts 6,643 battles Report post #4344 Posted September 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, DariusJacek said: You are BB main bro, why would you care? You have the best AA, fighter planes, most HP of all ships, powerful heals, armour to bounce rockets, torpedo reduction belt, you are do not care much about being spotted. Now think about us poor DD mains... Joking aside ships with low hp relying on concealment (DDs and some cruisers) got affected badly the most by reeeework. AA went to bin, no def AA with panic effect, plus every game 5BBs out of those usually 4 with 460 guns overmatching everything (unless you are Russian cruiser because balance comrade). At least you have smoke screen and very low concealment Cruisers will suffer the most from this in already terrible meta on TX for them. Not just 18 inches guns but also WC's that can delete them in one flight. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #4345 Posted September 29, 2020 20 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Don't be surprised. You haven't got that many games in randoms. It is really really bad. Dude, I have 16699 battles in random. Not too many of them in CVs, that's right, but I can nonetheless see braindead gameplay everywhere in the game... And all of those - except for 10 battles - done solo too. 20 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said: Well, get some battles in then in T6 Contrary then to other peoples I don't play in battles in which I would be an liability to my team. As my stats in reeeworked T4 CVs show it's the mechanics of this flightsimulation for braindeads that elude me. Like it was in fighter play with RTS CVs - hitting targets with bombs and torps was okay for me, but I always mistimed the strafing... - which already then make me abandon CV plane above T4 because it would have been not fair to my teams to have a potato in their team. Before the strafing mechanism came into the came I didn't that bad, as those ancient statistics for my pre-reework T6 and 7 CVs show. Done solo, of course. So thanks, but no thanks... I can quite see if a ship from being a observer, not saving it myself with those few thousand battles If done in randoms I guess 45 minutes ago, DariusJacek said: You are BB main bro, why would you care? You have the best AA, fighter planes, most HP of all ships, powerful heals, armour to bounce rockets, torpedo reduction belt, you are do not care much about being spotted. The FDR looks to me - from what I read about it - as the "Pay 30k steel so now you can crap on ALL classes in the game, even those nasty BBs that have tons of AA and were kinda immune against CVs before.." ship that every CV potato will get wet dreams about... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #4346 Posted September 29, 2020 I'm doing my best to cope with CVs because the rest of the game is not a disease, but being the only DD in a CV game I'm going AFK from now on because there's 0 seconds of gameplay in a 20 minute battle. Has anyone who develops this game tried being the only T6/T7 DD with a Shokaku in the match? There is 0 seconds of gameplay in these matches, not 3 seconds, not 1 second, 0 seconds. All you do is sail around like an idiot, get blapped for half your HP, smoke up, stay alive for 70 seconds, smoke up again, stay alive for another 70 seconds, if you leave your smoke you get blapped for your remaining HP. You can't spot anything, you can't shoot anything, you can't do anything, nothing, there is nothing whatsoever you can do. At least if there's another DD he can share in your misery and there will be a few minutes of gameplay, if you're the only DD there are 0 seconds of gameplay. Matchmaking won't be fixed, I'll be the only T6 DD going up against T8 carriers, that's fine, i'll make coffee, i'll watch youtube, I'll alt-tab and play a game of fifa, I'll do anything but flee to the edge of the map and sit in smoke for 20 minutes. Is it disgusting? Is my team screwed without their only DD? Probably, but that's your problem, fix your mess. I want someone who develops this game to take out a T6 DD and show everyone how they suggest the T6 DD handles being the only DD in a T8 CV game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-EXS-] Hades_warrior Players 5,381 posts 6,643 battles Report post #4347 Posted September 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Deckeru_Maiku said: The FDR looks to me - from what I read about it - as the "Pay 30k steel so now you can crap on ALL classes in the game, even those nasty BBs that have tons of AA and were kinda immune against CVs before.." ship that every CV potato will get wet dreams about... Sad thing is, many of those WC potatos saved their steel for this and are ready to crap on everyone even more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #4348 Posted September 29, 2020 I challenge anyone to get anything done as the only T6 DD in the match with a Shokaku on the other team. Anything, do 100 damage, spot 1 ship, shoot 1 shell, anything. Do it, prove it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NMA] Prophecy82 Players 3,362 posts 26,028 battles Report post #4349 Posted September 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said: Is it disgusting? Is my team screwed without their only DD? Probably, but that's your problem, fix your mess. I want someone who develops this game to take out a T6 DD and show everyone how they suggest the T6 DD handles being the only DD in a T8 CV game. IIRC there was a statement from WG, that they dont expect the average DD to live longer than 5 min and they are fine with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #4350 Posted September 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said: IIRC there was a statement from WG, that they dont expect the average DD to live longer than 5 min and they are fine with that. Well if I am the only DD in a CV game i am going to live 20 mins from now on, in J10 or A1 while reading my email. I am not doing it anymore, there is nothing to do, just run from the planes like a moron, get blapped, smoke up, get blapped some more, smoke up some more. Im begrudgingly willing to cope with CVs in other scenarios, in the scenario of being the only DD I am not doing it any more. I won't get jerbaited into "trying" to play these games and hoping the CV won't come after me non-stop, he will, I'm the only DD, he knows if I'm dead, his team wins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
