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Hello,

 

I'm a fairly new player to WoWs, with below 700 games under my belt. So far I have been playing Cv's to great success but I wanted to try and get into cruisers, since I figured If I ever join a clan, Il need to learn how to play a surface ship to participate in CWs.

After grinding some Tier 4-5 of the US/RN/RU lines i decided to settle on the RN and got up to emerald, I decided to go for light cruisers.

So far the experience feels abysmal, I spent the majority of the day progressing through the line and I feel that I don't understand the play style of cruisers and don't feel like im pulling my weight most of the time.

I never feel that I contribute to the game and have impact on the outcome, I feel helpless against BBs and that I serve nothing more than XP Pinata for them.

 

My general approach is either escorting a DD to cap and harassing enemy DDs or playing shootouts with enemy cruisers at ~8-11k range.

This worked some-what fine up to tier IV but at tier V its so far being a nightmare, you can check it by my stats...

The last two games destroyed my self confidence completely and I came to this forum.

Both games played very similar: I got up tiered to tier 7 I proceeded to escort DDs at safe distance to the cap, and at the cap I started shooting enemy DD at 6km range supporting mine. from across the map, on both games, I got immediately blapped by a dev strike of BBs, right on the 3 first min of the match. I didn't drive straight, I was wiggling around and got deleted.

I do not understand the game pacing of cruisers in the game and their place. I never feel that their dictate the game outcome, it always feels like BB's DDs and CVs play the bigger role and I can't find my place in it.

On one game I was alive along with 4 team mates and the enemy team had 3 bbs alive, I had no idea how to deal with them except sprayin AP at 9km range and wiggling hitting them for laughable ~460-990 damage or non-pens, getting to torpedo viable range seems impossible due to risk of being deleted on the spot.

I also feel extremely underpowered with emerald at tier v, those single turret guns feel like I'm driving an oversized destroyer, its just feels unfair, at shootouts I land a lot of shots on enemy cruisers, for patheric 460-990 damage. meanwhile cruisers like furry takos nail me for 2k+ with HE when they land the occasional shot, it feels that it takes me ages to get any serious damage done, while the I get punished severely for every hit I take.

 

I watched videos on youtube and saw Mintotaurs and Neptunse ripping apart the broadsides of tier X BB's. Meanwhile, my guns with the same 152mm caliber gets non-pens 70% of the time at 7km range at broadside BB's.

I also have hard time utilizing torpedoes, its almost impossible to get near enough to a bb without being ripped apart to even get a chance to launch.

The day ended overall with a lot of losses, downed morale and a bitter taste in my mouth.

 

I would gladly appreciate if you guys can give me some advice and bulletins on how can I improve my cruiser gameplay, positioning, things to avoid, roles and my place in the game.

 

P.S.

 

My build so far is:

 

PT - AR - SI - CE

 

Sorry for the wall of text.

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44 minutes ago, steveraptor said:

My general approach is either escorting a DD to cap and harassing enemy DDs or playing shootouts with enemy cruisers at ~8-11k range.

that can be sometimes a pretty good strategy, but depending on your crusier, you need to approach that differently. If you go too aggressive early, you will be the focused target, because the cruisers are mostly a large and relativly squishy target, so it's often the prior of many.

 

44 minutes ago, steveraptor said:

I do not understand the game pacing of cruisers in the game and their place.

This game has a long learning curve, so don't get frustrated by that, it's fine and normal, if you struggle early. I remember my first T8 cruiser, it was so terrible to play for me.

 

44 minutes ago, steveraptor said:

I also feel extremely underpowered

That'S often the case with crusier as long you dont get a close/mid range full broadside AP salvo on another cruisers. Cruisers often use HE, so they relay on damage over time. It often feels like nothing, but over the whole game, it's something. Lately I won with Devionshire (T6 CA) against an Amagi (T8 BB) and after that I fought a Cleveland (T8 CA) and destroyed her as well.

 

44 minutes ago, steveraptor said:

I watched videos on youtube and saw Mintotaurs and Neptunse ripping apart the broadsides of tier X BB's. Meanwhile, my guns with the same 152mm caliber gets non-pens 70% of the time at 7km range at broadside BB's.

you have to aim for Superstructure and upper belt, If you aim too low, you hit the well protected hull. Also nose and rear should work, when not heavily angled.

 

If you play the RN CLs, then you picked some special crusiers, who can be fun, but also be frustrated. Those ships are quite easy to dev strike in some cases, so you are really squishy. Your AP shells have improved angles, but you have mostly to aim higher for superstructure.

 

A general advice is, that you dont go too aggressive, be always aware for an escape route. Also wait for the spotting, look where the enemy team is going. Where are more enemies, on your side, or on the other side?

 

I still felt like a newb after 1k battles, so you will keep learning more and more about that game

 

 

EDIT: I watched your stats, you didn't played many games, just play more, you will even figure out yourself, how to play cruiser :)

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Emerald is in my opinion one of the worst cruisers in the game, so have that in mind when you are frustrated and struggles to do anything at all in this boat. 

However, it gets much better once you reach tier 6, and rest of the ships in this tech tree are good.

 

Keep watching YouTube videos, it's the best tool to learn how to play a specific ship or class. And you will learn a lot over time. We have all been in your shoes 😁

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Alright, I approached my emerald with a complete different mindset today after evaluating yestardays disaster.

 

I got better at denying areas with torps and in general I started to learn the "DD behavior" of smoking and torping, and I stepped my awareness and careful game play.

 

This is my first game today, so far the best i ever had, and that was while being the bottom tier ship on the list (all ships were tier 7 except me and another t6 cruiser).

I died to the last enemy cruiser which was at 10% hp left and he was bow on to me and I couldn't nail him fast enough while i was defending a cap in smoke.

 

I actually found a decent way to deal with BBs, I approach BBs just outside my detection range, move around them and keep my distance while constantly throwing torps at them, the RN ability to launch 1 torpedo at a time proved to be very useful at that.

 

 

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On 3/8/2020 at 8:38 AM, steveraptor said:

P.S.

 

My build so far is:

 

PT - AR - SI - CE

I would take incoming fire alert (IFA) over PT. In any cruiser, my advice is to take IFA. IFA tells you exactly when you are getting shot at while PT only tells you how many people are aiming at you. IFA also tells yous how many salvos are coming your way. Coupled with map awareness (knowing who can shoot at you and who can't), it allows you to dodge shots more effectively. You can think of it as a cruiser cheat skill :Smile_teethhappy:

 

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What i like to do when i play a new line is go to youtube and watch:
-T10 gameplay/guide by flamu. He is a [edited][edited] but plays great.
-Then watch the lower tiers guides of the line by the same guy.
-Flambass has great gameplay as well and is more likeable than flamu but has no guide-style vids if i am not mistaken. For some reason he started screaming a lot so i also avoid him now
-Notser Although not the best gameplay in his older videos he has great guides and a calm communication style.
-I also absolutely love business6. In my opinion he has the best channel out there regarding wows. Watch the ships and giggles series. He plays a lot of mino and does some awasome things in there.
-iChaseGaming has great general guides on how to improve on the game, improve your aim, positioning etc.

RN cruiser line is an extremely vulnerable line. Battleships sneeze and you die. When inside your smoke always be angles and slowly move forward and backward. Use islands instead of smoke whenever you can.
The rule for when you decide to go close to the initial cap to support your dd is to stay 4-5km behind it. After a certain point in the initial cap that the enemy dd has not been spotted it is best to angle away and move slowly at 1/4th speed while keeping your guns near your dd. I havent done this in the rn line (i am up to t6) but it was a great tactic in the IJN cruiser line.

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You're making the same misstake as most players. To go up one line.

 

Play everything, every class of every nation. It'll work out better in the end as you will have more experience and knowledge about the ships and their capabilities.

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Don't focus on progressing trough one line, play a few lines, get to learn the game. You will see what class is capable of what and you can then think about countering them.

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Just wanted to give an update on my situation.

 

Eventually everything came into place. as of the time of this post I just researched Fiji.

In all my 700+ random battle games I never got so much enjoyment and satisfaction out of this game when playing all my CV's combined compared to my time with Leander.

I now appreciate the "Boot camp" I underwent with Emerald and all the hard work, losses and learning curves i underwent to understand the RN cruiser game play, strength, weaknesses and mindset.

My experience, hard work and lessons learned with the Emerald payed off so much in Leander that it felt like I jumped from power level of tier V to Tier X, I actually managed to carry some games and got 2 Krakens with Leander and made a huge impact on the outcomes.

It saddens me that i need to part way with it for the time being and move to Fiji and I hope that the rest of the ships on the way to Minotaur will bring as much fun as Leander.

 

Finally, I do want to show off a bit with my best 2 games on Leander on my way to Fiji, it really feels like "From zero to hero", Thanks all for your advice!

 

 

 

 

 

Leander brothers.wowsreplay

Leander kraken.wowsreplay

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You have nothing to worry about, all the British cruisers from tier 6-10 plays similarly. Leander, Edinburgh and Minotaur have very good concealment, which helps if you are in the front helping your dds. 

While Fiji and Neptune have a bit worse concealment, so you have to play a bit more defensively.

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