DPM difference between Fiji and Edinburgh

[PsychoClownfish]

Today I got my Fiji all upgraded, and just out of curiosity I looked how much stronger the next ship, Edinburgh is gonna be, particularly in dmg output. And to my surprise I noticed that the difference is zero.

Same guns, same amount of guns, same rate of fire, same shell being fired at the same speed. Am I missing something here? And if not, how does this make sense? Fiji feels like a pretty strong and versatile cruiser so far, so strong in fact I keep getting myself killed attacking Freddy's and Georgia's.  But is it purely better consumables and 5k more HP that make Edinburgh a better ship, if at all?

[ColonelPete]

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[HaachamaShipping]

13 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Today I got my Fiji all upgraded, and just out of curiosity I looked how much stronger the next ship, Edinburgh is gonna be, particularly in dmg output. And to my surprise I noticed that the difference is zero.

Same guns, same amount of guns, same rate of fire, same shell being fired at the same speed. Am I missing something here? And if not, how does this make sense? Fiji feels like a pretty strong and versatile cruiser so far, so strong in fact I keep getting myself killed attacking Freddy's and Georgia's.  But is it purely better consumables and 5k more HP that make Edinburgh a better ship, if at all?

Better heal, better concealment, better torp range, more hp, no longer overmatched by 203 mm shells, option to switch the smoke for radar.

[Bortasqu]

I have the Edinbourgh. What is this "smoke consumable" people are talking about? I only play RN cruiser with radar.

[lossi_2018]

13 minutes ago, Sturmtiger_304 said:

I have the Edinbourgh. What is this "smoke consumable" people are talking about? I only play RN cruiser with radar.

[Chaos_Umbra]

9 minutes ago, Sturmtiger_304 said:

I have the Edinbourgh. What is this "smoke consumable" people are talking about? I only play RN cruiser with radar.

I did that by mistake once, and somehow managed to live for 10 mins while within 12km of 3 T9 BBs, at the end I was like 4km from them before they killed me, Edinburgh is rather survivable... unlike the Neptune and Albermarle... Which seem to spontaneously explode on sight, I would even say it takes less damage than a Drake which just seems to eat citadels and pens...

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Same guns, same amount of guns, same rate of fire, same shell being fired at the same speed.

They're the same guns. :) Both ships were built at the same time (Edinburgh is about 10 months older).

[Panocek]

1 hour ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Today I got my Fiji all upgraded, and just out of curiosity I looked how much stronger the next ship, Edinburgh is gonna be, particularly in dmg output. And to my surprise I noticed that the difference is zero.

Same guns, same amount of guns, same rate of fire, same shell being fired at the same speed. Am I missing something here? And if not, how does this make sense? Fiji feels like a pretty strong and versatile cruiser so far, so strong in fact I keep getting myself killed attacking Freddy's and Georgia's.  But is it purely better consumables and 5k more HP that make Edinburgh a better ship, if at all?

Welcome to ships made to the same specs, or bound by the same treaty, which happen yo cover most tier 6-8 vessels.

 

In game wise, Edinbruh gets improved heal, option to swap smoke with radar, improved torps, 16mm plating so she no longer can be overmatched by 203mm guns. And by virtue of being tier 8, she can mount Concealment upgrade, bringing her detection to 9km if memory serves me right.

[MRGTB]

1 hour ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Today I got my Fiji all upgraded, and just out of curiosity I looked how much stronger the next ship, Edinburgh is gonna be, particularly in dmg output. And to my surprise I noticed that the difference is zero.

Yes, there is no difference. Same guns only shooting AP and Edinburgh is nowhere near as good playing at T8 with them, than Fiji is at T7.

 

Edinburgh for me felt like a massive step down from playing Fiji. I think they should have given Edinburgh and the Cruiser after it at T9 HE shells "as well as AP". Then back to only AP shells for the T10 ship. I struggled with Edinburgh trying to do much damage with them same guns playing at the higher tier, because they are just the same T7 guns as Fiji uses, but ships armour gets stronger at T8.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, Sturmtiger_304 said:

I have the Edinbourgh. What is this "smoke consumable" people are talking about? I only play RN cruiser with radar.

I play it that way, but might have to go with smoke, because I find it hard to hunt DD when CV kills them faster...

[PsychoClownfish]

2 hours ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Better heal, better concealment, better torp range, more hp, no longer overmatched by 203 mm shells, option to switch the smoke for radar.

Concealment is actually worse, but because of T8, you have access to concealment module.

[PsychoClownfish]

45 minutes ago, MRGTB said:

Yes, there is no difference. Same guns only shooting AP and Edinburgh is nowhere near as good playing at T8 with them, than Fiji is at T7.

 

Edinburgh for me felt like a massive step down from playing Fiji. I think they should have given Edinburgh and the Cruiser after it at T9 HE shells "as well as AP". Then back to only AP shells for the T10 ship. I struggled with Edinburgh trying to do much damage with them same guns playing at the higher tier, because they are just the same T7 guns as Fiji uses, but ships armour gets stronger at T8.

Yeah, I can certainly see that happening to me. 

[PsychoClownfish]

47 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Welcome to ships made to the same specs, or bound by the same treaty, which happen yo cover most tier 6-8 vessels.

 

In game wise, Edinbruh gets improved heal, option to swap smoke with radar, improved torps, 16mm plating so she no longer can be overmatched by 203mm guns. And by virtue of being tier 8, she can mount Concealment upgrade, bringing her detection to 9km if memory serves me right.

Okay, I had missed the improved armor. That does make a difference.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Concealment is actually worse, but because of T8, you have access to concealment module.

Comparing base stats and ignoring modules isn't really practical.

[Panocek]

Just now, PsychoClownfish said:

Okay, I had missed the improved armor. That does make a difference.

While 203mm "immunity" is nice, amount of 230+ guns capable of overmatching 16mm plating only increases. So you may or may not be back at square one.

 

Or don't rely on armor in the first place

[PsychoClownfish]

1 minute ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Comparing base stats and ignoring modules isn't really practical.

No one is ignoring. Simply stating a fact. 

[lafeel]

1 minute ago, PsychoClownfish said:

No one is ignoring. Simply stating a fact. 

Except it's not a fact at all when you factor in the concealement module. And you SHOULD use that module on every cruiser in the game.

[PsychoClownfish]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

While 203mm "immunity" is nice, amount of 230+ guns capable of overmatching 16mm plating only increases. So you may or may not be back at square one.

 

Or don't rely on armor in the first place

What, no bow tanking with the Edinburgh?

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, PsychoClownfish said:

No one is ignoring. Simply stating a fact. 

Pointless fact. That's like saying Fuso has less hp than Kongo, because you opt to not get the top hull on the latter. The mere ability to get a concealment module makes a base stat approach in this characteristic absolutely mood.

[lafeel]

2 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

What, no bow tanking with the Edinburgh?

Said it before and I'll say it again: if you're trying to rely on your armor in a cruiser, you're doing it wrong.

[Panocek]

Just now, PsychoClownfish said:

What, no bow tanking with the Edinburgh?

You might want to know your enemy. Brit CA of tier 9 and 10, Henri IV, supercruisers and all battleships are a no go.

[PsychoClownfish]

Just now, lafeel said:

Except it's not a fact at all when you factor in the concealement module. And you SHOULD use that module on every cruiser in the game.

It IS a fact that concealment is worse for the Edinburgh. The use of the concealment module is optional. There is a reason there is more than one module available. I happen to agree with you that concealment is the most useful one, but it is still optional. And I guarantee you that there are players who've elected to use a different one, and can motivate that choice.

[PsychoClownfish]

2 minutes ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Pointless fact. That's like saying Fuso has less hp than Kongo, because you opt to not get the top hull on the latter. The mere ability to get a concealment module makes a base stat approach in this characteristic absolutely mood.

Wrong. You might elect a different module, and now you're more easily detected. Not moot at all.

[PsychoClownfish]

3 minutes ago, Panocek said:

You might want to know your enemy. Brit CA of tier 9 and 10, Henri IV, supercruisers and all battleships are a no go.

I was kidding.

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, PsychoClownfish said:

Wrong. You might elect a different module, and now you're more easily detected. Not moot at all.

Because anyone who has any idea how to cruiser takes another module.

 

You know, Edinburgh also has worse AA than Fiji by that logic, because you can press P and make it 0. Is it smart? No. Is it in any way representative for the majority of ingame encounters? No. But you can, so it's a fact!