I really dislike Japanese BBs?

[vaapad_master]

As an owner of both Nagato and Amagi I really really dislike both ships. I liked Fuso however. They are supposed to be a snipers but I really can't hit much on range with those slow shells, and If I get closer I get HE spammed or just citadeled cause armor is joke. Meanwhile I have both Bismarck and Tirpitz and I have so much better hit rate with them cause shells are so much faster and I actually enjoy playing those ships. (my favorite BBs so far) With the recent accuracy buff to German BBs I can now even snipe decently with them if needed and of course brawl when situation asks. Japanese BBs can't brawl and can only snipe and those slow velocity guns don't suit me at all (I know their velocity isn't that bad but they fly much longer in air than the German guns and need more lead). I feel like I should just stop playing Japanese BBs for a while since I don't enjoy them. I heard Nagato playstyle is similar to Yamato so I will probably dislike Yamato too, so why bother. I will try other nation lines I guess, maybe French? Stats for reference (German and Japanese ships) https://wowstats.org/stats/eu/toni112007/

[novents]

Is there a question here you’d like the forum to discuss or provide advice on? 

 

If not, I would also like to share with the forum that I really dislike japanese torp boats. I didn’t like the T4 (forget the name), not a big fan of Shinonome but I like asashio. I like USN DDs tho. Useful guns and torps are nice. I heard fubuki playstyle is similar to shima so I will probably dislike Shimakaze too, so why bother. I feel like I should stop grinding japanese torp boats since I don’t enjoy them. I will try other nations. 

 

Thanks for listening. 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

We cannot answer your question.

I can only tell you that IJN BB do not need to snipe.

[jss78]

I wouldn't treat them as snipers really. I wouldn't treat ANY BB in the game as a sniper. Some BB's are fairly strong in brawls, and those might want to get in the face of enemy (though it's a risky business), otherwise you should play a little bit further back. But backline sniping is really the business of cruisers (who don't have armour unlike you).   

 

I tend to play my Japanese BB's tightly in the mid-range bracket, near my concealment range but just allowing me to disengage when needed (after building for full concealment, which I always do).

 

They're basically your vanilla BB's in the game. No meme secondaries, no HE gimmicks, but also not super slow like some of the Americans. Just standard mid-good speed BB's with reliable AP and citadel layouts that require some forethought.

 

I have favourable impression of them, but then the only one I've played 100+ games in is the Musashi which is straight OP...

[DFens_666]

1 hour ago, Toni112007 said:

I heard Nagato playstyle is similar to Yamato

 

Couldnt be further away from the truth.

But Yamato does have pretty slow shells aswell, they just dont lose much speed at range.

 

And if you dont enjoy them - dont play them? There is enough variety of ships, so play what you like. Makes more sense to force other ships into a role they arent made for.

French and Russian BBs have pretty fast shells. But French have small caliber (except Repu) and they tend to overpen and shatter a lot.

[RepSrb]

Yes , japans BBs is the worst. My first line in wows was with this ships and plenty of bad experience.

They were solid but as they were oldest nation they arent look at ,and more and more lethal new BBs are introduced  over time they get worse and worse.

Future is dark for you so advice is beter give up , Izumo is worst bb by far, Yamato is now just meh with too many overpens , and it too sluggish , slow welded turrets , wide profile like tennis court that catches arcing shells in masse , and burns easy.

[RepSrb]

I suggested, and many others to introduce some superyamato class BB , and seems they have finally listened. met one in game as test ship- Yashima. 6 x 510mm guns. how much it would cost?-nobody knows...

 

 

[lafeel]

13 minutes ago, RepSrb said:

I suggested, and many others to introduce some superyamato class BB , and seems they have finally listened. met one in game as test ship- Yashima. 6 x 510mm guns. how much it would cost?-nobody knows...

 

She has been confirmed to be a steel boat however. And to be a problematic ship on occasion thanks to her 170mm arming threshold and uneven accuracy.

[pfcremus]

i was watching a streamer on twitch, there was a yashima that dev striked a full hp thunderer 

[lafeel]

7 minutes ago, pfcremus said:

i was watching a streamer on twitch, there was a yashima that dev striked a full hp thunderer 

For every time I've seen salvoes like that I have seen two-three where there were nothing but overpens, or most the salvo missed.

[Butterdoll]

I really really dislike torp missions.

[vaapad_master]

Its nice to see everyone dislikes something

[ColonelPete]

5 hours ago, RepSrb said:

Yes , japans BBs is the worst. My first line in wows was with this ships and plenty of bad experience.

They were solid but as they were oldest nation they arent look at ,and more and more lethal new BBs are introduced  over time they get worse and worse.

Future is dark for you so advice is beter give up , Izumo is worst bb by far, Yamato is now just meh with too many overpens , and it too sluggish , slow welded turrets , wide profile like tennis court that catches arcing shells in masse , and burns easy.

The weakest line is the US line atm. 

[MadBadDave]

I stopped grinding IGN BB’s when I got to Amagi, T9’s a joke and preferring a brawling play style Yam doesn’t appeal.  I really liked Nagato mainly because of its guns and unsung secondaries, but it’s so ponderous takes forever to turn, reloadings slower than a snail doing a marathon, AA is poor, compare that to the KGV, and Shiny and it’s a no brainer.  At T8 Amagi or any of the much better BB’s😉,  At T9 and T10 really ??.  If any nations bbs need a major buff / overhaul its the Japanese.

[Spartan_Renegade]

Yammy can dodge a lot of damage if you keep a safe distance and angle in such a way that enemy BBs cant land cits.  In good hands,  the Nippon giant can even brawl like a pro when the situation calls for it.   Also, grinding Izumo wasn't such a bad experience either, sure..it handles like a barge and often gets its front two turrets knocked out but it could still hit something reliably...ya know.  

 

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Here's my experience with the IJN battleships, since everyone's listening:

 

Kongo: impossibly bad, some say power crept. I know people do well in her, I had some good games too, but in general, the ship is infuriating. Sold, never looked back. Fate, ironically, gifted me an ARP variant. Won't play.

 

Fuso: Good Lord. So OP it made me look good and that says something. Stayed in port, obviously.

 

Nagato: Hard hitting guns, when they hit. Armor is a joke. Skipped to the final hull with free xp, sold right away.

 

Amagi: People love it. People put 19 point captains on her and club away. I free-xp skipped her. Armor is even more of a joke than Nagato, though her guns are borderline OP.

 

Izumo: Loved her, even though it seems I lost most games with her. The ship requires some positioning and thinking. The armor is passable and the guns sting badly. Sold, but only because I got...

 

Yamato: Apart from wanting her as a collectible (for great history), what can I say. I was apprehensive, since I read about all the power creeping. That may be so, but the Yamato is an awesome battleship. No gimmicks, no frills. You position yourself badly, you will sink soon. You position yourself well, you're unstoppable.

 

I am really not good at this game, but in the Yamato I have done the following: carried a couple of games, did 218k damage, defeated a Z-52 in a one-on-one fight (torpbeat is a thing in the Yamato), devstruck a couple of Smolensks (very satisfying) and got rank 10 in the current ranked season with minimal pain. I'm in love.

[ColonelPete]

Kongo is one of the best Tier V BB...

[WWDragon]

6 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

I really really dislike torp missions.

I dont mind then as long they arent class locked, I gave up on the CV modules (and who come up with that) and just did the other easier ones but yes, 50 tops with a DD is annoying even if you have a all the torpedoes all the time, I think I did it mostly on the T5 Russian Wall of Skill DD and the Sims of all things.

[Swims_at_Night]

Interesting topic. I found IJN BBs to be great. It takes time to get use to the guns since you need to take more lead than other BBs. Fuso and Amagi are probably the best BBs at their tier (not including Premium ships).

[Butterdoll]

16 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

I dont mind then as long they arent class locked, I gave up on the CV modules (and who come up with that) and just did the other easier ones but yes, 50 tops with a DD is annoying even if you have a all the torpedoes all the time, I think I did it mostly on the T5 Russian Wall of Skill DD and the Sims of all things.

If that cv modules mission is like the previous one in D3, only engine, torps and steering counts as incapacitations.

I still remember the 25 torps mission, this time is 50,

[WWDragon]

It is, also operations dont count and I was pretty pissed when I found that out when I had a decent Killer Whale game with like 10-12 incapacitations. Eventually I given up because I could not reliably do it.

 

If it was all torps then I can get some fishes in the water from CVs, cruisers and even the few BB that have then and 50 would be fine, being stuck on doing it on a DD is the annoying part because there are a few DDs that can put a lot of fishes in the water but you kinda have to spam Co-Op with DD and because everyone is doing the same you end up with matches that are 4 DDs with a lot of cruisers and killing DDs with torps is entirely possible but only one will count of the whole spread and you end up with frustrating games were instead of gun down the DD you torp it and then the match ends with just 1-2 torps.

 

I dont think 50 is that bad outside the fact they want us to do it in a specific ship type.

[Imsali]

2 hours ago, MadBadDave said:

I stopped grinding IGN BB’s when I got to Amagi, T9’s a joke and preferring a brawling play style Yam doesn’t appeal.  I really liked Nagato mainly because of its guns and unsung secondaries, but it’s so ponderous takes forever to turn, reloadings slower than a snail doing a marathon, AA is poor, compare that to the KGV, and Shiny and it’s a no brainer.  At T8 Amagi or any of the much better BB’s😉,  At T9 and T10 really ??.  If any nations bbs need a major buff / overhaul its the Japanese.

As almost all BBs I have, Nagato was really improved by faster rudder shift, plus I always take fighters that at least help with AA and often serve as good deterrent.

Amagi is a very powerful ship and uptiers much better than the Bismarck. It has guns that actually do damage, and its aft is so well armored, that it is easy to control engagements while kiting away, especially with three turrets at the back.

 

I dislike the Izumo though, and Yamato has lost its shine in the current meta.

[Uglesett]

2 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Kongo: impossibly bad

[The_Pillager]

Interesting discussion ... 

 

My 2 cents: 

I dont play the regular line. I reached fuso and did not like it. 

On the contrary i do have ...

- 4 ARP Kongo-clones (from the first ARP period where you could get them out of missions), which dont play so bad at T5 and i use them every time i have to fulfil some missions with BB

- Mutsu, which was not fun at all at start, played okish after a while and now sucks again because of no AA

- Kii as a surprise out of a x-mas box. Plays astonishingly well because of powerful guns and an extremly powerful AA. The only ray of sunshine at IJN BB for me at the moment.

- Musashi, as a must have for a collector ... regrettably rarely played, because completely helpless vs CV and mobile like a brick in the mud. Its just these guns and the sound firing them ... ^^

 

So long story short: no, IJN BB are definitely not the most attractive BB nowadays, but they aint bad either.

Just a matter of playstyle

[Otowi]

I like the IJN BB's for the most part. There are some ships I like less, but they were not too bad. Was really happy when I finally got to the end goal, the mighty Yamato.

 

I like the Yamato a lot. Guns are accurate, and hits like no other ship. Also looks good. And those 460mm guns make such a nice boom when fired.