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IFHE rework IJN gunboats

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WG really

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You have the chance to finally fix the mess you induced with those ships

 

USE IT

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58 minutes ago, CastorTolagi said:

Whats the problem?

  • 100mm DD guns can pen 32mm plating with IFHE
  • depending on rounding and final rules 30mm pen + 25% from IFHE makes 37.5mm, which could be rounded to 38mm (next plating threshold)

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Vor 8 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:
  • 100mm DD guns can pen 32mm plating with IFHE

The 100mm Guns can already pen 32mm with IFHE.

But with the IFHE Rework the fire gets cut in half.

 

So against BBs it's a straight Nerf.

 

Vor 8 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:
  •  depending on rounding and final rules 30mm pen + 25% from IFHE makes 37.5mm, which could be rounded to 38mm (next plating threshold)

You can pen only 37mm after IFHE with 30mm - thats the whole reason they changed the rule for the light cruisers so the US BBs will not suffer.

 

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1 minute ago, CastorTolagi said:

The 100mm Guns can already pen 32mm with IFHE.

But with the IFHE Rework the fire gets cut in half.

 

So against BBs it's a straight Nerf.

 

You can pen only 37mm with 30mm - thats the whole reason they changed the rule for the light cruisers so the US BBs will not suffer.

 

 

Exactly, this changes nothing, with IFHE these ships will be able to pen 32 mm but not be able to pen 38 mm, exactly as it is now.

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10 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:
  • depending on rounding and final rules 30mm pen + 25% from IFHE makes 37.5mm, which could be rounded to 38mm (next plating threshold)

 

There is no more rounding, if I'm not wrong, or otherwise T7 152mm guns would be able to pen 32mm. So nothing will change for duckies as there is no armour between 32mm and 38mm, I think.

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17 minutes ago, CastorTolagi said:

The 100mm Guns can already pen 32mm with IFHE.

But with the IFHE Rework the fire gets cut in half.

 

So against BBs it's a straight Nerf.

 

You can pen only 37mm after IFHE with 30mm - thats the whole reason they changed the rule for the light cruisers so the US BBs will not suffer.

 
  • It was considered by some as too strong or at least a design failure that 100mm guns performed that well vs BB armor. That does not change.
  • we will see how the rounding works

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From the blog: '' Now the armor penetration of these shells is aligned with the new HE shell penetration of Tier VIII - X ships with 152-155 mm caliber guns, the same as before the changes. ''

 

 

So if they are now inline then if a 152mm TX can only pen 37.5 then so should the IJN TX going from the wording. Of course this doesn't change the fact that they will eat the new 30mm plates on cruisers alive. The Smolensk eats battleships and now the mini mini smolensks eat cruisers.

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Then the whole point for the change is useless because guess what:

 

152 / 5 = 30,4 --> 30mm pen

 

It literally says it in the article:

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Due to the fact that the rule of 1/5 of the caliber was applied when calculating HE shell armor penetration on Tier VIII - X ships with 152-155 mm caliber guns, cruisers with 152 mm guns could penetrate the 38mm plating with the 30% bonus applied, which was extremely powerful. With this change, cruisers with 152 mm guns will not be able to penetrate 38mm plating. 

 

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2 hours ago, CastorTolagi said:

Whats the problem?

The problem is that these IJN gunboats are an exeption to normal rules of caliber/6 HE pen (with some other ships and lines) and now that the rework that should finally start to bring some sense in all that mess WG in their infinite wisdom is making them an exception AGAIN, all HE should be equal cal/5 but some will be more equal and have cal/ˇ3 and you can increase that even more...

 

THIS GAME DOES NOT NEED THIS

 

The IJN gunboat line should by logic of things primarily counter OTHER DDS meaning cal/5 is enough and adequate tweaks for the main battery and ship maneuverability should be applied to to make them usable in that role, even better Haragumo can be made a CL (like Smolensk) and moved in the arsenal for freexp or coal or whatever (simlar to moskva situation) and a normal 4x2 gunboat should be added for T10 to make the line actually consistent, it can be a CC of Kitakaze just with say 127mm guns that actually have proper reload instead of them churning out these abominations...

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2 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

It is a nerf but considering the size of the guns it feels a bit silly.

Yep as in 100mm shell with IFHE penning same as 200mm shell without it... :fish_palm:

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1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

Yep as in 100mm shell with IFHE penning same as 200mm shell without it... :fish_palm:

But its 100mm shell made of bazilion times folded katanas:cap_book:

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1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

Yep as in 100mm shell with IFHE penning same as 200mm shell without it... :fish_palm:

 No no no. It pens more....

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6 hours ago, ColonelPete said:
  • 100mm DD guns can pen 32mm plating with IFHE
  • depending on rounding and final rules 30mm pen + 25% from IFHE makes 37.5mm, which could be rounded to 38mm (next plating threshold)

Losing 50% fire chance just for having some random hits at some ships plating? :-|

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5 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Losing 50% fire chance just for having some random hits at some ships plating? :-|

The hits are not random, fire is.

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2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

The hits are not random, fire is.

so you are able to hit consistenly on exact that plating? :P

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Just now, Pikkozoikum said:

so you are able to hit consistenly on exact that plating? :P

The plating is not only in one place.

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10 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

The plating is not only in one place.

How much more dmg will you get by hitting 38 mm plating and how much dmg woudl you lose by 50% less fires

 

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17 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

How much more dmg will you get by hitting 38 mm plating and how much dmg woudl you lose by 50% less fires

 

Considering that my HE ships do mostly HE damage and much less fire damage, the loss of fire damage will be smaller than the loss of HE damage.

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21 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

How much more dmg will you get by hitting 38 mm plating and how much dmg woudl you lose by 50% less fires

 

How about 32mm plating?

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