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I just saw the Dry Dock ship size comparison video, and Kurfurst is like 21 meters longer than Kremlin and also it seems a little wider.

Kremlin may have bigger guns which weigh more, but they are fewer and from the armor weight perspective, maybe covering 21 more meters will incline the balance in favor of Kurfurst.

Anyone knows why does Kurfurst not have the biggest health in the game ?

I mean is WG incrementing the health based on the weight of the parts from which the ship is build ?

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20 minuti fa, VanD4rk ha scritto:

I just saw the Dry Dock ship size comparison video, and Kurfurst is like 21 meters longer than Kremlin and also it seems a little wider.

Kremlin may have bigger guns which weigh more, but they are fewer and from the armor weight perspective, maybe covering 21 more meters will incline the balance in favor of Kurfurst.

Anyone knows why does Kurfurst not have the biggest health in the game ?

I mean is WG incrementing the health based on the weight of the parts from which the ship is build ?

Hp is based on the weight of the ship. Keep in mind that a ship can be wider and longer than another but with less armor: less armor means tons and tons of less weight. Kremlin is covered in heavy armor thus her gigantic hp pool. (and it is stalinium) :Smile_sceptic: 

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3 minutes ago, Nufessa said:

Hp is based on the weight of the ship. Keep in mind that a ship can be wider and longer than another but with less armor: less armor means tons and tons of less weight. Kremlin is covered in heavy armor thus her gigantic hp pool. (and it is stalinium) :Smile_sceptic: 

Yeah London is almost as big as New Mexico. Though it has much less hp .

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*chuckle* oh my sweet summer child.... 

You know this is wargaming we are talking about right? 3qg7d3.jpg.5707a3c866d48e9a1b381f04d34e40d5.jpg

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Vor 25 Minuten, VanD4rk sagte:

Anyone knows why does Kurfurst not have the biggest health in the game ?

Because its not russian...simple as that.

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16 dakika önce, Nufessa dedi:

Hp is based on the weight of the ship. Keep in mind that a ship can be wider and longer than another but with less armor: less armor means tons and tons of less weight. Kremlin is covered in heavy armor thus her gigantic hp pool. (and it is stalinium) :Smile_sceptic: 

Kremlin is heavier than all ships and faster than yamato. How is that possible? Is it mixture of glorious Russian steel and machinery? Any other explanation? Poor yamato... 

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9 minutes ago, Nufessa said:

Hp is based on the weight of the ship. Keep in mind that a ship can be wider and longer than another but with less armor: less armor means tons and tons of less weight. Kremlin is covered in heavy armor thus her gigantic hp pool. (and it is stalinium) :Smile_sceptic: 

 

5 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Yeah London is almost as big as New Mexico. Though it has much less hp .

 

Yes, this is why I mentioned the high caliber guns on Kremlin with the turret armor vs the "lighter" guns on the Kurfurst but with 1 more turret casing 3 more guns.

I would not say that Kurfurst is light armor vs Kremlin.

I believe it is a close call between the 2 ships, and I am very curious if WG is using a "spreadsheet" with the weight of parts of the ships.

This can be interesting to see because WG had access to some ships blueprints and can give us the impression that in an arcade game simulator the ships health size is based on some incremental and actual values from real life.

For example: ship X weight 10000 tons with 155mm guns in real life than it has 32000 hp in game -> using a 3.2 ration between actual ton and HP.

Constructing ships like this can give the player an impression that when he sails ship X, it is very close to the reality when compared to other ships ingame regarding sizes.

I might be a little too into details about this but I would really like to know this because than I could say that the ships I "sail" are closer to the reality ships :cap_cool:.

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52 minutes ago, Nufessa said:

Kremlin is covered in heavy armor thus her gigantic hp pool. (and it is stalinium)

Wrong. Stalinium is light but stronk, like Adamantium in Marvel stuff.

That's why Stalingrad AP shells are just 467 kg, but wreck more then PR's 517 kg shells. Pure Stalinium shells. :Smile_trollface:

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36 minutes ago, TheBrut3 said:

Wrong. Stalinium is light but stronk, like Adamantium in Marvel stuff.

That's why Stalingrad AP shells are just 467 kg, but wreck more then PR's 517 kg shells. Pure Stalinium shells. :Smile_trollface:

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Not a single Kremlin was ever sunk in combat - thus it MUST have the best armour in the game and the most HP.

 

 

At least I'm assuming such logic makes sense when you're the WG balance team and thoroughly sloshed....

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Or maybe, just maybe, hit point is an arbitraty factor, use by WG to balance the game and people should stop to stick on everything, the word "realism".

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1 minute ago, Lebedjev said:

Or maybe, just maybe, hit point is an arbitraty factor, use by WG to balance the game and people should stop to stick on everything, the word "realism".

Good point.
So why doesn't the Kremlin have 90,000 hp to balance its broken pros?

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Kremlin (and Slava) tonnage value ingame is 82,149. Those values can be seen f.ex. at gamemodels3d.com. GK is 80,058.

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9 minutes ago, Thejagdpanther said:

Good point.
So why doesn't the Kremlin have 90,000 hp to balance its broken pros?

Kreml have high hp, because she have less repear party and her gimmicky reapair control.

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2 hours ago, Nufessa said:

Hp is based on the weight of the ship. Keep in mind that a ship can be wider and longer than another but with less armor: less armor means tons and tons of less weight. Kremlin is covered in heavy armor thus her gigantic hp pool. (and it is stalinium) :Smile_sceptic: 

But if it is heavier with a smaller displacement footprint, it should sit deeper in the water and thus be slower and harder to manoeuver due to water resistance. Possibly would also have worse seakeeping which could result in it being a less stable gun platform.

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43 minutes ago, Lebedjev said:

Or maybe, just maybe, hit point is an arbitraty factor, use by WG to balance the game

Of course this is the more likely reason.

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Displacement is the basis but then like all things the mighty spreadsheet applies its whims. Which isn't a bad thing, if it takes into account ship role, tier and realism.

 

 

Take the Monarch, exact same HP as the KGV, despite being a tier higher. Same hull so seems valid... Except one of the reasons the Admiralty rejected the design (one of several!) was that the increased top side weight would demand more lower weight for metacentric height balance, the Monarch/15c would have been heavy, yet ingame it is pegged to it's T7 sister despite being a very meh ship where an extra an extra couple of K of health wouldn't disturb it's place at the bottom of the HP table but still add something to the ship.

 

 

 

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32 dakika önce, NothingButTheRain dedi:

But if it is heavier with a smaller displacement footprint, it should sit deeper in the water and thus be slower and harder to manoeuver due to water resistance. Possibly would also have worse seakeeping which could result in it being a less stable gun platform.

Totally agreed. It reaches 29,5 knots with that heavy displacement. Turret rotation 30 sec with 457 mm guns. 460 mm yamato guns turn in 60 sec. 3 mm vs 30 sec difference. Any explanation? Is it secret Russian technology that Japan doesn't know? 

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1 hour ago, Thejagdpanther said:

So why doesn't the Kremlin have 90,000 hp to balance its broken pros?

Really do you want to give Kremlin british lol heal? Because thats how you give lol heal.

 

6 minutes ago, SSGdoncollier said:

Totally agreed. It reaches 29,5 knots with that heavy displacement. Turret rotation 30 sec with 457 mm guns. 460 mm yamato guns turn in 60 sec. 3 mm vs 30 sec difference. Any explanation? Is it secret Russian technology that Japan doesn't know? 

You're underestimating power of captured dissidents in large quantities:cap_tea:

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3 hours ago, SSGdoncollier said:

Kremlin is heavier than all ships and faster than yamato. How is that possible? Is it mixture of glorious Russian steel and machinery? Any other explanation? Poor yamato... 

 

1 hour ago, Thejagdpanther said:

Good point.
So why doesn't the Kremlin have 90,000 hp to balance its broken pros?

Because: russian! 

 

Russian stuff is always - per definition - better then anyone else’s sh*t. 

 

It has nothing to do with the fact that ru naval legends during WWII either never existed, never went against armed enemies, only fought fish trawlers and sank civilian refugee ships ( how do yo twist all that to make it sound heroic??). 

It also has nothing to do with WG losing 30%+ players on the ru server and hoping to bring old/ new ones in by creating OP/ broken crap. 

 

One has to wonder tho, why so many left in the first place...

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1 hour ago, Thejagdpanther said:

Good point.
So why doesn't the Kremlin have 90,000 hp to balance its broken pros?

You're just asking for trip to Siberia, right? And it's February!

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1 hour ago, SSGdoncollier said:

Totally agreed. It reaches 29,5 knots with that heavy displacement. Turret rotation 30 sec with 457 mm guns. 460 mm yamato guns turn in 60 sec. 3 mm vs 30 sec difference. Any explanation? Is it secret Russian technology that Japan doesn't know? 

Kremlin is an unrealistic fantasy ship and we are playing an arcade game developed by a russian company? :cap_horn:

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5 hours ago, NothingButTheRain said:

Of course this is the more likely reason.

Insinuating Kremlin balance :cap_hmm:

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5 hours ago, Rick_Hunter said:

Kremlin is an unrealistic fantasy ship and we are playing an arcade game developed by a russian company? :cap_horn:

I'm shocked!

 

Shocked!

 

You should know by now that there is no Russian Bias, it is merely anti-Russian Western Forum Propaganda making you believe that that is happening.

 

Do not fall for the Western Propaganda machine!

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