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I think its a little bazaar to be given a penalty for a ship to collide with your own ship and  and the warning message comes up for the offending player and yet the victim also receives a penaly as if it was your fault

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I agree but this might be the wrong section for it.

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27 minutes ago, _xxiv123 said:

I think its a little bazaar to be given a penalty for a ship to collide with your own ship and  and the warning message comes up for the offending player and yet the victim also receives a penaly as if it was your fault

But this is how it works and I don't see a real reason why it should be changed - usually there is even no real penalty unless you're already pink what your other topic may indicate...

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doesn't make it right though does it,  say you get rammed and low and behold you get a penalty as if you had done it now that's bloody stupid isn't it ?  you must admit

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@_xxiv123 who would you give the penalty to if a DD parked in front of a BB and got sunk?

 

Just simpler to give both parties a penalty, less code and less opportunity to 'game the system'.

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18 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

How about both ships suffering the same damage they receive when they even slightly touch an enemy ship? :Smile_hiding:

Oh yes that would work. but losing half your team at the start, not so good

 

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2 minutes ago, A_useless_noob said:

Oh yes that would work. but losing half your team at the start, not so good

 

Would teach them to pay attention to where they're going, like situational awareness.....

 

But, [redacted]:cap_popcorn:

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7 minutes ago, Molly_Delaney said:

Would teach them to pay attention to where they're going, like situational awareness.....

 

But, [redacted]:cap_popcorn:

True but the opportunites for griefing would be endless.  Just join battle ram at start, rinse and repeat.

 

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7 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

How about both ships suffering the same damage they receive when they even slightly touch an enemy ship? :Smile_hiding:

As far as I've heard, that was the case in early alpha or beta. It was removed because it's just not fun.

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On 2/22/2020 at 6:25 PM, _xxiv123 said:

I think its a little bazaar to be given a penalty for a ship to collide with your own ship and  and the warning message comes up for the offending player and yet the victim also receives a penaly as if it was your fault

 

If you can work out a way for the game to work out who was at fault in a collision please let us (and WG) know.

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1 hour ago, Capra76 said:

 

If you can work out a way for the game to work out who was at fault in a collision please let us (and WG) know.

To be fair usually both parties are at least partially at fault..

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On 2/22/2020 at 10:25 PM, _xxiv123 said:

I think its a little bazaar to be given a penalty for a ship to collide with your own ship and  and the warning message comes up for the offending player and yet the victim also receives a penaly as if it was your fault

The system is fine. And the penalty is minimal. A few HP and XP for bumping into someone. And most of the time both are at fault.

 

Take into account the following:

 

No right-of-way

 

A commonly held misconception concerning the rules of marine navigation is that by following specific rules, a vessel can gain certain rights of way over other vessels. No vessel ever has absolute "right of way" over other vessels. Rather, there can be a "give way" (burdened) vessel and a "stand on" (privileged) vessel, or there may be two give way vessels with no stand on vessel. A stand on vessel does not have an absolute right of way over any give way vessel, and is not free to maneuver however it wishes, but is obliged to keep a constant course and speed (so as to help the give way vessel in determining a safe course). Furthermore, a stand on vessel may still be obliged (under Rule 2 and Rule 17) to give way, in particular when a situation has arisen where a collision can no longer be avoided by actions of the give way vessel alone. For example, two power-driven vessels approaching each other head-to-head, are both deemed to be "give way" and both are required to alter course so as to avoid colliding with the other. Neither vessel has "right of way".

 

If you want to learn more: https://www.jag.navy.mil/distrib/instructions/COLREG-1972.pdf

 

A good rule of thumb is if we all maneuver to cross any other vessel on our starboard side astern (behind). Not her bow. As in the first image below.

A give-way vessel is always the vessel to your port side. See second image.

Or to put it in another way: If you see red you must give way. Look at the third

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On 2/22/2020 at 9:24 PM, _xxiv123 said:

doesn't make it right though does it,  say you get rammed and low and behold you get a penalty as if you had done it now that's bloody stupid isn't it ?  you must admit

Who decides who is at fault?

You?

Do you want to judge ALL ship collisions happening on the EU server on EVERY day?

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