[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #1 Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I know there are many such threads, but not all questions are the same. So, I (will soon) have enough coal for one ship and I am uncertain if I should get the Jean Bart before she disappears. My conundrum: I play most classes, the only cruisers I did well in, are the French. This kind of disqualifies the Smolensk, though I am curious. I like battleships (yep, I'm a BBaby). I haven't played the French past the Lyon and don't have a high point captain. The Jean Bart seems interesting, but also rather annoying (I don't like static gameplay). The Thunderer seems squishy, but is advertised to have the main thing I like: accurate guns (as an aside, the Montana was a big let down after the great Iowa). On the other hand, I found British BBs (like the QE) to be exasperatingly bad and I never touched the line again. I don't care for HE slinging from the back anyway. Thus, I am torn. As extra info, I don't play premium, haven't and won't spend money on ships. I don't care much about stats, I'd like the ship to be fun, though. What ships I find fun? I loved the freedom of the open water French cruisers. Loved the high tier US BBs (the Montana... anyway). The Georgia is included. Also like the Italian cruisers (Genova included) and the IJN BBs (the Izumo being a pleasant surprise, even though it seems I lost every game - always finished top half though). And... erm.. CVs, yep. Thank you in advance. P.S.: For the, "buy the JB now and gather coal for the Thunderer later" crowd: It takes a loooooooong time for me to gather coal. Since I started playing, I've had enough for just the Georgia and the Yubari (both with coupons). Edited February 19, 2020 by Bindolaf_Werebane Edited for clarity, syntax, grammar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAZEL] LavyDunois Players 55 posts 7,668 battles Report post #2 Posted February 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: I know there are many such threads, but not all questions are the same. So, I (will soon) have enough coal for one ship and I am uncertain if I should get the Jean Bart before she disappears. My conundrum: I play most classes, the only cruisers I did well in, are the French. This kind of disqualifies the Smolensk, though I am curious. I like battleships (yep, I'm a BBaby). I haven't played the French past the Lyon and don't have a high point captain. The Jean Bart seems interesting, but also rather annoying (I don't like static gameplay). The Thunderer seems squishy, but is advertised to have the main thing I like: accurate guns (as an aside, the Montana was a big let down after the great Iowa). On the other hand, I found British the QE to be exasperatingly bad and I never touched the line again. I don't care for HE slinging from the back anyway. Thus, I am torn. As extra info, I don't play premium, haven't and won't spend money on ships. I don't care much about stats, I'd like the ship to be fun, though. What ships I find fun? I loved the freedom of the open water French cruisers. Loved the high tier US BBs (the Montana... anyway). The Georgia is included. Also like the Italian cruisers (Genova included) and the IJN BBs (the Izumo being a pleasant surprise, even though it seems I lost every game - always finished top half though). And... erm.. CVs, yep. Thank you in advance. Thunderer is an HE slinger in my opinion and is very good at slinging it. I get a lot of 5k - 10k HE volleys with 2 fires. Since its a britisch BB you usually only get citadelled by Yamato, Musashi or any ships with 457mm guns. Tho if you show to much broadside you will get citadelled by more ships, but you shouldn't have to show a lot of broadside as it has very good firing angles. Jean Bart is also mostly HE unless someone is smart enough to show his broadside to you. Pop reload booster and pummel him with Citadels. I enjoy both ships a lot. I should have enough for the Smolensk by the time it leaves the armory. I also want to experience that overpowered HE spamming powertrip everyone keeps talking about. Anyway since Thunderer isn't going to dissappear from the armory (yet) you should probably go for Jean Bart or Smolensk. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #3 Posted February 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: I like battleships (yep, I'm a BBaby). I haven't played the French past the Lyon and don't have a high point captain. The Jean Bart seems interesting, but also rather annoying (I don't like static gameplay). Wut? Jean Bart, alongside the Georgia, offers the most mobile gameplay you will find in battleships. It's a fast roamer / flanker, not a boring bow-in tanker, if anyone plays her like that they just don't understand the ship. I can't recommend this ship enough, get her before she's removed. Smolensk is strong, broken even, and getting removed as well, personally I got bored of her fast and don't play her all that much - on any other ship, getting a high damage game feels rewarding, with the Smol you're like "beh, I did it in a Smol, nothing special". But, if someone tells me "I like BB's but hate static gameplay", the JB is the first thing I'd recommend. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #4 Posted February 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: The Thunderer seems squishy, but is advertised to have the main thing I like: accurate guns (as an aside, the Montana was a big let down after the great Iowa). On the other hand, I found British the QE to be exasperatingly bad and I never touched the line again. I don't care for HE slinging from the back anyway. Well, QE is better played with AP, and so is Thunderer. Personaly, out of those 3 id get JB as the last option, but i wouldnt call JB stationary really. Sure you can bowtank almost all BBs and your turret setup is an invitation to do it too, but its nowhere near the same as Yamato/Musashi. I guess your choice should be JB or Thunderer. Thunderer isnt stationary + accurate, and should be played with AP (guess you thought it should be played with HE). But the chance to regret not getting Smolensk is higher than not getting JB imo. In terms of Uniqueness, id rate Smolensk first and JB last. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #5 Posted February 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, LavyDunois said: Thunderer is an HE slinger. Thunderer is primarily an AP ship. Yes, her HE is excellent too, and you shouldn't shy away from using it on bow-on BB's and DD's, but otherwise? AP all the way. You get the highest accuracy 457's in the game, and it doesn't have the Conq's short fuse so you can cit bb's all day long. If you're going to play it with HE, you may as well take a Conq instead, you get a higher volume of shells and a superheal. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] ReapingKnight Players 240 posts 10,777 battles Report post #6 Posted February 19, 2020 Are you just wanting a ship to train a captain and enjoy or do you want the premium credit earning as this only applies to the tier 9s. Thunderer is a good ship and one of few RN BBs that have usable AP. Yes the HE still works but it's AP is different from the rest of them. JB is really fun ship, you said static but with your guns all forward it makes a good pushing ship without risking big broadside hits and the reload booster is amazing in the right situation. Smolensk is nothing like what you said you do well in so I'd say leave it. Hope this helps. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WP70] ________________Morrison Players 892 posts 22,465 battles Report post #7 Posted February 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Captain_Newman said: Smolensk is strong, broken even, and getting removed as well, personally I got bored of her fast and don't play her all that much - on any other ship, getting a high damage game feels rewarding, with the Smol you're like "beh, I did it in a Smol, nothing special". ^ That, sure getting one time high dmg cool. After that. You only really play the ship to just be an annoying [edited] or to blow of some stress in the easy fashion. Sure you can melt anything. But is that really fun? Go get yourself an Harugumo and do a greater job at deleting other stuff. Also you're slightly faster than smol with the engine buusto. Also more stealthier. I guess I'd recommend JB not smol. Smolensk Only as a port ship. And thats when you have more coal than you can spend. But since you don't have that much coal, Jean Bart it is for you. And then maybe Thunderer since you do well in Battleships. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAWS] dan_matt Players 99 posts 6,997 battles Report post #8 Posted February 19, 2020 I had the same issue this week. I'm mainly a BB/CL player and already had Thunderer so my choices were JB and Smolensk. Ended up going for the JB, only played her in Co Op mode so far to get a feel for the ship but I am loving it, manoeuvrable and great rate of fire. If you have played Nelson, Izumo or Dunkerque then you will have no problems with this ship 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #9 Posted February 19, 2020 I was aware that Thunderer is AP mainly, same as QE. I just couldn't deal with QE's two shortcomings (in my hands at least): Inaccurate guns and getting penned at every angle. I am afraid of Thunderer being the same. As for the JB, I am crap at the Nelson, but did enjoy the Izumo (which I played very mobile). As I said, I lost most games, but at least some of those was the team just melting. I don't have the Dunkerque, so can't say anything about that. Any time I've encountered a Jean Bart, it's the same: hug an island, show bow and fire. Mindnumbingly boring. But maybe I should get her and play her as a flanker. I would have fear of missing out on the Thunderer a bit, though. Not sure I can get enough coal before she disappears. Plus, we're getting even more coal ships. Anyway, thank you for the replies. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SKRUB] Lebedjev Players 654 posts 29,465 battles Report post #10 Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Sirius_IV said: Sure you can melt anything. But is that really fun? Go get yourself an Harugumo and do a greater job at deleting other stuff. So Harugumo don't melt ship ? You can melt other stuff... Like island ? That's why it's more "entertainment" ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAWS] dan_matt Players 99 posts 6,997 battles Report post #11 Posted February 19, 2020 I enjoy my Thunderer, but dont use it ad much as i Should. Never had that many issues when playing with her been citadelled as long as you are not broadside. I play Nelson alot (2nd most played ship, would highly recommend if you have free XP!) and I love the play style that comes with it, I enjoy flanking or using her in a slow retreat pounding following ships. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kapnobathrac Players 506 posts Report post #12 Posted February 19, 2020 Out of them out there the Thunderer is the best buy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #13 Posted February 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: I was aware that Thunderer is AP mainly, same as QE. I just couldn't deal with QE's two shortcomings (in my hands at least): Inaccurate guns and getting penned at every angle. I am afraid of Thunderer being the same. QE has pretty accurate guns Thunderers guns are more accurate tho. And you cant really compare midtier BBs to T8+ BBs. On midtiers, BBs can often pen each other, while T8-10 BBs are almost immune to overmatching each other, except Yamato/Musashi can do it to most of them. 1 hour ago, LavyDunois said: Since its a britisch BB you usually only get citadelled by Yamato, Musashi or any ships with 457mm guns Thats wrong btw. 32mm armor is immune to overmatch except against 460mm guns. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #14 Posted February 19, 2020 56 minutes ago, kapnobathrac said: Out of them out there the Thunderer is the best buy I would agree if the JB and Smolensk weren't getting removed. As it is, one of those two is the better buy, because there's nothing stopping him from going for the Thunderer after, say, the JB, as the Thunderer will remain available for the time being. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RODS] Ronchabale Players 3,002 posts 10,002 battles Report post #15 Posted February 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: I know there are many such threads, but not all questions are the same. So, I (will soon) have enough coal for one ship and I am uncertain if I should get the Jean Bart before she disappears. My conundrum: I play most classes, the only cruisers I did well in, are the French. This kind of disqualifies the Smolensk, though I am curious. I like battleships (yep, I'm a BBaby). I haven't played the French past the Lyon and don't have a high point captain. The Jean Bart seems interesting, but also rather annoying (I don't like static gameplay). The Thunderer seems squishy, but is advertised to have the main thing I like: accurate guns (as an aside, the Montana was a big let down after the great Iowa). On the other hand, I found British BBs (like the QE) to be exasperatingly bad and I never touched the line again. I don't care for HE slinging from the back anyway. Thus, I am torn. As extra info, I don't play premium, haven't and won't spend money on ships. I don't care much about stats, I'd like the ship to be fun, though. What ships I find fun? I loved the freedom of the open water French cruisers. Loved the high tier US BBs (the Montana... anyway). The Georgia is included. Also like the Italian cruisers (Genova included) and the IJN BBs (the Izumo being a pleasant surprise, even though it seems I lost every game - always finished top half though). And... erm.. CVs, yep. Thank you in advance. P.S.: For the, "buy the JB now and gather coal for the Thunderer later" crowd: It takes a loooooooong time for me to gather coal. Since I started playing, I've had enough for just the Georgia and the Yubari (both with coupons). The Smolensk is not gonna come back and it is a unique ship for sure 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WP70] ________________Morrison Players 892 posts 22,465 battles Report post #16 Posted February 20, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 12:12 PM, Lebedjev said: So Harugumo don't melt ship ? You can melt other stuff... Like island ? That's why it's more "entertainment" ? Harugumo doesn't have soviet bias build in. And much more engaging than Smolensk which you can rain fire with at 19kms behind islands. Wait did I Soviet bias I ment uh. Stalins guidance. Yes Harugumo is a gun ship has equal or less rpm comes with to it Japanese slug rotation. Also Harugumo has less hp. And sort of needs more skill. Smolensk ez mode. Boat for babies that can't handle using their brains. Harugumo less ez mode. Only for real men and woman and the other genders. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SKRUB] Lebedjev Players 654 posts 29,465 battles Report post #17 Posted February 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sirius_IV said: Smolensk ez mode. Outside soviet bias, soooo smolensk have more hp than harugomo... Yeah because it's a cruiser, nah ? I mean, don't you think Harugomo is a bad example ? Compare a cruiser with a dd, is the same to compare a BB with a CV... Also Smolensk can't lob shoot like a DM, his "bias" build is a dumb build and skill is not a value. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DK-CP] NothingButTheRain Players 6,338 posts 14,259 battles Report post #18 Posted February 20, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 10:33 AM, Bindolaf_Werebane said: So, I (will soon) have enough coal for one ship and I am uncertain if I should get the Jean Bart before she disappears. My conundrum: I play most classes, the only cruisers I did well in, are the French. This kind of disqualifies the Smolensk, though I am curious. I like battleships What ships I find fun? I loved the freedom of the open water French cruisers. Loved the high tier US BBs (the Montana... anyway). The Georgia is included. Sounds to me like you want the JB Only 2 caveats I can think of are the IFHE changes which include changes to platings whihc might be to JB disadvantage and the fact that imo Georgia is (slightly so) a better ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,889 battles Report post #19 Posted February 20, 2020 JB and Thunderer are excellent ships.. I have the thunderer but not the JB, because I have the bourgogne.. I may get it before it goes away, I may not.. don't know.. The thing is, They are both great and fun. So, If I were you, I'd get JB because it is going away for good probably.. Thunderer will be here long enough for you to collect enough coal for it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,515 battles Report post #20 Posted February 20, 2020 Buy None and wait and see what replaces the current ones, by all accounts ( gossip and rumour ) you will not be disappointed in the new ships . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #21 Posted February 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Barracuda_111 said: Buy None and wait and see what replaces the current ones, by all accounts ( gossip and rumour ) you will not be disappointed in the new ships . I have thought about that, but I don't know. I'm pretty bad at DDs, I don't much care for the likes of Flint et al. Unless you know something even more super secret! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,515 battles Report post #22 Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: I have thought about that, but I don't know. I'm pretty bad at DDs, I don't much care for the likes of Flint et al. Unless you know something even more super secret! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[L4GG] Butterdoll Players 3,470 posts 11,414 battles Report post #23 Posted February 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Barracuda_111 said: Buy None and wait and see what replaces the current ones, by all accounts ( gossip and rumour ) you will not be disappointed in the new ships . They will be here after, probably for years. I'm still going for both, but I don't know if I can do it on time. initially I wanted JB and Salem, I never took a second look to Smolensk , only because it's going away. JB + Salem or JB + Smolensk or JB or Smolensk. Any tips for getting extra coal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-L] Rhineheart_Thor [W-L] Players 1,738 posts 15,515 battles Report post #24 Posted February 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, Butterdoll said: They will be here after, probably for years. I'm still going for both, but I don't know if I can do it on time. initially I wanted JB and Salem, I never took a second look to Smolensk , only because it's going away. JB + Salem or JB + Smolensk or JB or Smolensk. Any tips for getting extra coal? We do not know how we are paying for Siegfried yet. I have no idea if it will be for coal. Talking to people who are testing it, say its, quote " its a possible game changer with the 90mm amour and the accuracy of the guns " Where is it, When is it? I am personally hoping its the next dockyard build. Coal Tips :- Only play ever day and join a clan with a good coal port 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AbashedLemming Players 86 posts Report post #25 Posted February 20, 2020 I have both the Thunderer and JB, I like them both. Sadly I just bought the Thunderer before I found out the smol was going for good. I waited for a long time before I made the decision to buy the JB and the moment I bought it, I instantly regretted my procrastination. The JB is just a really fun boat to play. If you chose it I am confident that you would not regret it as a BB main. Of course the thunderer is tier 10 so will be great for the coming ranked season. It is also a fun boat to play so in my view you will be happy with either. As for smol well it is a ridiculously powerful ship. I probably won't be able to get enough coal for it before it goes, but you know what I'm ok with that. I like the thunderer so not regrets from me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
