anonym_PYC0RAuRIwe4 Players 117 posts Report post #1 Posted February 12, 2020 It used to be a very strong BB until it got super nerfed and now it sits as one of the worst T9 BBs in the game due to the meta shift towards heavy HE spam. It doesn't feel French except for its iconic matchstick armor and playing it stock is a miserable experience with its 18.4km Main Battery range and no access to a Spotter Plane. Atrocious 32sec reload because previous reload was deemed "overpowered", only now we have ships like the Bourgogne or JB that not only have superior base reload but also a Reload Booster consumable. Its sigma is horrible, even for a ship with 12 guns and it Overpens all the time due to high shell velocity so even if you catch a broadside Cruiser it will most likely escape unpunished, oh and forget about brawling equal tier Heavy Cruisers, they'll angle and laugh at your pathetic DPM from your anemic, cross-eyed guns. Alsace is in desperate need of a buff or two and I'd advise anyone who disagrees to play Alsace in the current meta a bunch of times before commenting because that ship is not good. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #2 Posted February 12, 2020 I disagree that it needs a buff. The french BBs, with their speed boost, are best played as mobile flanking BBs. If you play it as a static gun battery or only at long range then your complains make sense, but that would mean you having been playing the Alsace wrongly, and the Alsace does not need a buff. I had no issue playing the Alsace without range mod (use main battery reload module), no issue with its reload, accuracy or surviavability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_PYC0RAuRIwe4 Players 117 posts Report post #3 Posted February 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, pra3y said: I disagree that it needs a buff. The french BBs, with their speed boost, are best played as mobile flanking BBs. If you play it as a static gun battery or only at long range then your complains make sense, but that would mean you having been playing the Alsace wrongly, and the Alsace does not need a buff. I had no issue playing the Alsace without range mod (use main battery reload module), no issue with its reload, accuracy or surviavability. Good for you, I guess? The facts remain the same, 32 sec reload on the 380mm guns at T9 is unreasonable and the 18.4km stock range is unaccaptable when same Tier Cruisers can outrange you. It most definitely needs a buff in either range or reload. There's absolutely no reason to play Alsace over the JB, none. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #4 Posted February 12, 2020 Alsace is one of the strongest performing Tier IX silver BB. It is unlikely that WG will improve her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #5 Posted February 12, 2020 No she doesnt, you know some of us remember Alsace before the nerf and she deserved one without a doubt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #6 Posted February 12, 2020 3 hours ago, pra3y said: I disagree that it needs a buff. The french BBs, with their speed boost, are best played as mobile flanking BBs. If you play it as a static gun battery or only at long range then your complains make sense, but that would mean you having been playing the Alsace wrongly, and the Alsace does not need a buff. I had no issue playing the Alsace without range mod (use main battery reload module), no issue with its reload, accuracy or surviavability. LTP issue here. Nothing to see. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #7 Posted February 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Vardog said: Good for you, I guess? The facts remain the same, 32 sec reload on the 380mm guns at T9 is unreasonable and the 18.4km stock range is unaccaptable when same Tier Cruisers can outrange you. It most definitely needs a buff in either range or reload. There's absolutely no reason to play Alsace over the JB, none. You just do not shoot over 20 km in any BBs. You dont. Period. Ltp 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-F] Sir_Grzegorz Beta Tester 798 posts 16,103 battles Report post #8 Posted February 12, 2020 So another post that states that OP needs a buff (as ship is fine). From all the ships OP has chosen Alsace... from all of them... I am speechless... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,888 battles Report post #9 Posted February 12, 2020 When you compare it with other tier 9 silver BBs, (there are 6 of them) Alsace is at 3rd on average damage, 2nd on WR and 2nd on average kills.. It does not look like it needs a buff Almost all tier 9 premium, coal, speshul BBs are better than the silver ones. May be that makes you feel alsace need a buff.. then it is not the alsace in a bad spot.. it is FDG and IZUMO who are struggling to keep up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,182 battles Report post #10 Posted February 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Vardog said: playing it stock is a miserable experience with its 18.4km Main Battery range Can't use free exp or what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zieten Beta Tester 298 posts 6,940 battles Report post #11 Posted February 12, 2020 People need to play more Lion to appreciate how great the Alsace is... 3 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #12 Posted February 12, 2020 Actually just watched the Flamu vid on the new IFHE qnd armor changes, she might need a slight reload buff when that goes live Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #13 Posted February 12, 2020 She did receive a buff, it's called the Bourgogne. 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] CptMinia Moderator, Players, Privateer 1,427 posts 11,709 battles Report post #14 Posted February 12, 2020 Hello, I'd have to agree with @Excavatus here when looking at things. Alsace is still a strong BB and still retains character. She is not in need of a buff, if anything the silver BBs need to catch up a bit to the premium BBs at tier IX. Regards, Minia Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Blixies Beta Tester, Players 2,160 posts 6,904 battles Report post #15 Posted February 12, 2020 9 hours ago, pra3y said: I disagree that it needs a buff. The french BBs, with their speed boost, are best played as mobile flanking BBs. You mean CV food? Any ship that strays from the pack is just a juicy nutrition for the Flying God Emperrors. I agree that the ships are build to be played in such way you describe. In reality, it's not often a good idea, I would say. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Hopeless_Guppy Players 3,753 posts Report post #16 Posted February 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Vardog said: Good for you, I guess? The facts remain the same, 32 sec reload on the 380mm guns at T9 is unreasonable and the 18.4km stock range is unaccaptable when same Tier Cruisers can outrange you. It most definitely needs a buff in either range or reload. There's absolutely no reason to play Alsace over the JB, none. Well I quite like it, so sure pleas buff away,longer secondary range would be nice along with more RoF,yes a reload buff could work too Now as for bad t9 ships, look no further than the Whyzumo, that ship (yes temptations a [edited], luckily only a cheap one) that ship along with the AR is alt F4 inducing,that is WoT's levels of frustration, lol,andIcanlast hours in this game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N_R_A] Hopeless_Guppy Players 3,753 posts Report post #17 Posted February 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Zieten said: People need to play more Lion to appreciate how great the Alsace is... Event That is better then the whyzumo, lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HU-SD] Prospect_b Players 2,655 posts 14,214 battles Report post #18 Posted February 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, Inappropriate_noob said: Event That is better then the whyzumo, lol Izumo is a fine ship these days. Problem with tier 9 is that it is infested with bowcamping tardships like JB & musashi and teams that always give up most of the map so those ships are never in a crossfire threat. In such a meta you need overmatch or smt that can spam HE. (or even better, some nice skypox, which loves bowcamping reversers, especially when they start raging) 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #19 Posted February 12, 2020 41 minutes ago, Inappropriate_noob said: Event That is better then the whyzumo, lol nope.jpg Nothing wrong with Izumo, especially after all the buffs. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_PYC0RAuRIwe4 Players 117 posts Report post #20 Posted February 12, 2020 6 hours ago, veslingr said: You just do not shoot over 20 km in any BBs. You dont. Period. Ltp You obviously don't have much experience with BBs if you say that, especially high tier ones. Long range and high velocity is pretty much a French BB trait which allows them to reliably engage distant targets and create cross-flank crossfires, range is also one of the ways for French BBs to stay safe from direct counters such as HE spam or ships that can overmatch their Armor (Yamato, Musashi and soon to flood the server Yashima). Please give me a valid reason as to why Alsace deserves to have such a short reach on her guns when every other high tier French BB (including T8's Richelieu) works with ranges around 25km. Yes, this ship used to be overpowered in the old meta, but those days are long gone and nowadays Alsace feels extremely lackluster. 4 hours ago, Captain_Newman said: She did receive a buff, it's called the Bourgogne. And the Jean Bart. 4 extra guns is meaningless when you're working with a horrendous Sigma of 1.6, terrible base reload and no Reload Booster. There's no reason to play the Alsace these days, she got outclassed by Premiums. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shosholoza Players 69 posts 4,883 battles Report post #21 Posted February 12, 2020 I grinded Alsace two weeks ago, it's an excellent ship and i got great results with it, It'll get a permacamo. Range ? Alsace is not meant to be played safely at long range. I follow DD''s to cap, engage Cruisers to distract/kill them while tanking BB's salvos with secondaries working on enemy DD. Then i usualy disengage with the spoodbeast and search a way to flank. It' s a great ship to ruin enemies plans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #22 Posted February 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, Vardog said: You obviously don't have much experience with BBs if you say that, especially high tier ones. Long range and high velocity is pretty much a French BB trait which allows them to reliably engage distant targets and create cross-flank crossfires, range is also one of the ways for French BBs to stay safe from direct counters such as HE spam or ships that can overmatch their Armor (Yamato, Musashi and soon to flood the server Yashima). Please give me a valid reason as to why Alsace deserves to have such a short reach on her guns when every other high tier French BB (including T8's Richelieu) works with ranges around 25km. Yes, this ship used to be overpowered in the old meta, but those days are long gone and nowadays Alsace feels extremely lackluster. And the Jean Bart. 4 extra guns is meaningless when you're working with a horrendous Sigma of 1.6, terrible base reload and no Reload Booster. There's no reason to play the Alsace these days, she got outclassed by Premiums. i have around 4k games in BBs...so i would say i am familiar with BB game play. also have top FR Bbs....and still stand by my point you do not shoot with BBs over 20 km. First is you, second me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CU] Rionnen_marksman Players 373 posts 6,979 battles Report post #23 Posted February 12, 2020 7 hours ago, veslingr said: You just do not shoot over 20 km in any BBs. You dont. Period. Ltp Have you met the Thunderer yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
veslingr Players 2,975 posts 477 battles Report post #24 Posted February 12, 2020 Just now, Rionnen_marksman said: Have you met the Thunderer yet? Yes....you do not shoot with BBs over 20 km Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HEROZ] GulvkluderGuld Players 3,467 posts 22,114 battles Report post #25 Posted February 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, veslingr said: Yes....you do not shoot with BBs over 20 km Good advice, the only exception being crossmap-crossfire (stalingrad and the likes reversing too far and broadside on) WG should nerf BB range to max 20 km and reduce HE spam range to 18 max (and less for certain CLs). Apart from some crying from BBabies, it should fix the bad sniping BB play somewhat and at least for them to tank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
