[P7S] Vbeest Players 452 posts Report post #1 Posted January 19, 2020 So experts and community contributors indicated that Hayate would need to be stealthier in order to become competitive. WG did the opposite, and most recent Hayate stats nerfed its detection range to that of Harugumo. Thank you WG, I knew we could count on you. 2 13 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,168 battles Report post #2 Posted January 19, 2020 It would be to powerful otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PANEU] kfa Beta Tester 1,975 posts 13,875 battles Report post #3 Posted January 19, 2020 Just release it, ffs there are around 10 ships ready... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #4 Posted January 19, 2020 Who cares for the stats of fantasy ships anyway? They are totally random, so WG have my blessing to change them by dice rolls on every full moon. 3 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #5 Posted January 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, Vbeest said: WG did the opposite, and most recent Hayate stats nerfed its detection range to that of Harugumo. What is a source for this? Hayate had 6.1km full stealth build, which is better then Haru btw. I never find any info that its detection range is nerfed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KAKE] Uglesett Players 2,804 posts 6,795 battles Report post #6 Posted January 19, 2020 Sauce? There's nothing about it in the dev blog forum section at least. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #7 Posted January 19, 2020 It's not a better gunboat than other gunboats including gearing, it's not a better torp boat than shima, considering the new upcoming module with 1.8km fixed torp detection plus the amount of CVs in the game, why would anyone be interested in this ship anyway, except collectors?... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P7S] Vbeest Players 452 posts Report post #8 Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, fumtu said: What is a source for this? Hayate had 6.1km full stealth build, which is better then Haru btw. I never find any info that its detection range is nerfed. https://www.wows-gamer-blog.com/2019/12/hayate-tier-x-japanese-destroyer.html?m=0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTT] GraySlayer Players 645 posts 5,469 battles Report post #9 Posted January 19, 2020 Sadly this ship does not interest me in the slightest.. Which is a shame.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PANEU] kfa Beta Tester 1,975 posts 13,875 battles Report post #10 Posted January 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, GraySlayer said: Sadly this ship does not interest me in the slightest.. Which is a shame.. Hayate 6 guns, 4s reload 2150 dmg Grozovoi 6 guns, 4.2s reload, 1800 dmg manoverabiliy, camo almost the same but it has 10 IJN torps with 23000 dmg and a reload booster Still no? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTT] GraySlayer Players 645 posts 5,469 battles Report post #11 Posted January 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, kfa said: Hayate 6 guns, 4s reload 2150 dmg Grozovoi 6 guns, 4.2s reload, 1800 dmg manoverabiliy, camo almost the same but it has 10 IJN torps with 23000 dmg and a reload booster Still no? Yes because I'm not a gun boat DD captain. I don't know how to play them. I like sneakin as Smeagol would say.. Maybe I should try and learn.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P7S] Vbeest Players 452 posts Report post #12 Posted January 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Yoshanai said: It would be to powerful otherwise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO0HrVA74j4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,979 battles Report post #13 Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Vbeest said: https://www.wows-gamer-blog.com/2019/12/hayate-tier-x-japanese-destroyer.html?m=0 Well, the site you game is listing Hayate detection at 7.7km. It is actually a 7.74km, same as Z-52. With full concealment built you get 6.08km, which game will round on 6.1km. Haragumo detection range is 7.92km. So nothing changed, Hayate still has same concealment as during the last test round. You are attacking WG without any reason. https://proships.ru/stat/ships/compare,Destroyer,all,10,,/ If you don't believe me compare it with those provided by original values when Hayate was first announced. https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/118532-st-new-ships/ 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KAKE] Uglesett Players 2,804 posts 6,795 battles Report post #14 Posted January 19, 2020 7.7 km base concealment is about on par with ze Germans. Z-52 has 7.7-something base concealment which gives about 6.1 km with full stealth. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P7S] Vbeest Players 452 posts Report post #15 Posted January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, fumtu said: Well, the site you game is listing Hayate detection at 7.7km. It is actually a 7.74km, same as Z-52. With full concealment built you get 6.08km, which game will round on 6.1km. Haragumo detection range is 7.92km. So nothing changed, Hayate still has same concealment as during the last test round. You are attacking WG without any reason. https://proships.ru/stat/ships/compare,Destroyer,all,10,,/ Yeah, it seems something got messed. Although, it is good to attack them even without any reason, lol. Remember who the real enemy is... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HEROZ] GulvkluderGuld Players 3,467 posts 22,114 battles Report post #16 Posted January 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, kfa said: Hayate 6 guns, 4s reload 2150 dmg Grozovoi 6 guns, 4.2s reload, 1800 dmg manoverabiliy, camo almost the same but it has 10 IJN torps with 23000 dmg and a reload booster Still no? Possibly interesting, if not for being TX and earning less credits than T9 premiums. Statwise it likely has a very different playstyle since it is a LOT slower and has no heal. Add: Worse concealment, worse gun ballistics, no smoke if taking TRB afaik, Grozo has access to LM with improved reload. Hayate will never make it as open water gunboat. In fact I wonder how well it can hit a target at 10+ km. It might well be a better DD brawler though. My 1 mio fXP will go to Friesland for the premium credit earning potential, and dakka (i'm very much a gunboat DD player). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FABER] Bics93 [FABER] Players 617 posts 6,307 battles Report post #17 Posted January 19, 2020 11 minuti fa, Vbeest ha scritto: Remember who the real enemy is... Whiners that are really bad at math? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[P7S] Vbeest Players 452 posts Report post #18 Posted January 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bics93 said: Whiners that are really bad at math? No, greedy vendor of pay to win games. Look at what a nice game WoT became. There is more premium vehicles than regular ones now there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,441 battles Report post #19 Posted January 19, 2020 42 minutes ago, kfa said: Hayate 6 guns, 4s reload 2150 dmg Grozovoi 6 guns, 4.2s reload, 1800 dmg manoverabiliy, camo almost the same but it has 10 IJN torps with 23000 dmg and a reload booster Still no? Heal? Defensive AA? Smoke? Shell arcs? Grozovoi looks better for now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_HomTanks_ Players 3,368 posts 37,429 battles Report post #20 Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, kfa said: Hayate 6 guns, 4s reload 2150 dmg Grozovoi 6 guns, 4.2s reload, 1800 dmg manoverabiliy, camo almost the same but it has 10 IJN torps with 23000 dmg and a reload booster Still no? Still no. Because; 1. Grozovoi has heal, does hayate have heal? No. 2. Hayate 15 shots/min, Harugumo 20 shots/min, Gearing 20 shots/min, Grozovoi 14 shots/min, YueYang 15 shot/min. 3. Hayate HP 20800, Grozovoi HP 20900 without the heal, Gearing HP 19400, Harugumo HP 25600, YueYang HP 18500 4. Hayate top seed 37,5Knots, Grozovoi 39,5Knots 5. TCR Hayate 750m, Grozovoi 720m 6. Hayate torps 2x5, Shima torps 3x5 7. If Hayate uses Reload Booster it has to be slotted in Smoke slot. So, is giving up the smoke for extra torps which you can launch only four times, in Tier 10 games, where CVs will just sink it without a sweat, worth it or not? To me, it's not worth it. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NHSOS] Lakedaemonios [NHSOS] Players 126 posts 4,202 battles Report post #21 Posted January 19, 2020 3 hours ago, GulvkluderGuld said: Possibly interesting, if not for being TX and earning less credits than T9 premiums. pls read Economy in wiki... for more than 2 years T10 makes more money from T9... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOFTC] Pikkozoikum Players 7,658 posts 13,680 battles Report post #22 Posted January 19, 2020 7 hours ago, Uglesett said: Sauce? There's nothing about it in the dev blog forum section at least. Sauce is here 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HEROZ] GulvkluderGuld Players 3,467 posts 22,114 battles Report post #23 Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Agis_D said: pls read Economy in wiki... for more than 2 years T10 makes more money from T9... It actually says that on the wiki page? Not that it's surprising. It's WG Non-silver T10 never did and still don't earn as much as T9 non-silver ships. T9s are Premium ships with premium earning modifiers while T10s are classified as "Special ships" and earn credits corresponding to a T10 with a permaflage. In other words, T9s premiums earn far more credits than T10 special ships. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NHSOS] Lakedaemonios [NHSOS] Players 126 posts 4,202 battles Report post #24 Posted January 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said: It actually says that on the wiki page? Not that it's surprising. It's WG Non-silver T10 never did and still don't earn as much as T9 non-silver ships. T9s are Premium ships with premium earning modifiers while T10s are classified as "Special ships" and earn credits corresponding to a T10 with a permaflage. In other words, T9s premiums earn far more credits than T10 special ships. play a coop with any of this and see for yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HEROZ] GulvkluderGuld Players 3,467 posts 22,114 battles Report post #25 Posted January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Agis_D said: play a coop with any of this and see for yourself. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
